Notecja Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Wilson as far I know is supposed to be last rework. To me it feels like last chance to buff or change Winona - as during other reworks and updates some characters (Wortox, Wurt, Wormwood...) got buffs, changes and/or refreshment. Most of ideas are now in my - currently archieved - topic "Winona rework fund", which I still keep as reference in my signature. I think the most important would be: ¤ Changes to her downside - which is turning hungry during crafting. Her upside is unique, but frequently we craft just one of two objects (how many backpacks, or puffy vests we need? Or pickaxes?), and that easily push her to other part of her downside - crafting slowly when hungry. Since similar perk, quick cooking over fire, is less unique and without any downsides I suggest one of changes - remove her getting hungry every bunch of crafts, or slowndown when hungry. (and please make her less complain... ;_; one warning is just enough) ¤ Missing animation when dodging Charlie. Winona usually will not see it herself, but WX, Werebeaver and any moogles user will see it. ¤ Ability for her to move her structures, which would be unique to her. Surely we will find uses for that, starting from just fixing missplaced catapultas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
maciu67 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 After Winona's rework I have considered her as very powerful but also very boring character. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell_winters Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Honestly, I don't think that tweaking her existing abilities would be enough for her to be on par with recent reworks. She needs more tools. She lacks the versatility people like Wicker and WX have. I can say the same about Willow. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 minute ago, maxwell_winters said: Honestly, I don't think that tweaking her existing abilities would be enough for her to be on par with recent reworks. She needs more tools. She lacks the versatility people like Wicker and WX have. I can say the same about Willow. 4 structures which one is nearly useless, the other is a cheese machine so for some players isnt interesting and the other 2 are used to feed the previous ones... not a great variety Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell_winters Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: 4 structures which one is nearly useless, the other is a cheese machine so for some players isnt interesting and the other 2 are used to feed the previous ones... not a great variety Don't forget the cheaper Sewing Kit/Boat Patch. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 minute ago, maxwell_winters said: Don't forget the cheaper Sewing Kit/Boat Patch. that is for me her best craft xD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzzydzzy Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 ((i suspect she will get a progression tree similar to WIlson's after this update)) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notecja Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, maxwell_winters said: Honestly, I don't think that tweaking her existing abilities would be enough for her to be on par with recent reworks. She needs more tools. She lacks the versatility people like Wicker and WX have. I can say the same about Willow. True, but Klei devs somewhere mentioned that they are tired with reworks. So not really I have any hope for her to get anything bigger, like more structures or more perks... Yet I am desperate for something more than some of her bug fixes from few months ago. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 If they cut the crafting penalty from 2x to only 1.5x speed I'd be forever grateful !! This is such a pain early game, worse for me then Warly's diet needs in first season lol I think she could use a lot more to really bring out her personality and intelligence in her kit, but as a quick patch reducing the penalty crafting speed alone would mean a lot. She's slower than old Wanda. I mean, I get she's hungry and I can get upset when hungry too but 2x is waaaay too much lol Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Koopa Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Yeah gotta agree that what she has rn just doesn't cut it, same for Woodie and Willow. Plenty of other characters could use changes here and there, but unlike those three, their changes wouldn't require adding new stuff to their kits, just stat changes and the like. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell_winters Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 39 minutes ago, Notecja said: True, but Klei devs somewhere mentioned that they are tired with reworks. So not really I have any hope for her to get anything bigger, like more structures or more perks... Yet I am desperate for something more than some of her bug fixes from few months ago. Devs revisited reworked Wolfgang and Wendy. I'm sure they return to Winona if they see that the community isn't satisfied with her current state. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 21 minutes ago, Masked Koopa said: Yeah gotta agree that what she has rn just doesn't cut it, same for Woodie and Willow. Plenty of other characters could use changes here and there, but unlike those three, their changes wouldn't require adding new stuff to their kits, just stat changes and the like. While nowhere as bad as the previous 3 I'd add Walter to the list of characters who could use a revisit even if it's only for his slingshot Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell_winters Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: While nowhere as bad as the previous 3 I'd add Walter to the list of characters who could use a revisit even if it's only for his slingshot Walter could do with a QoL update like the ones Wortox and Wurt got last year. He has enough mechanics, they're just all over the place. Winona, Woodie and Willow definitely need more stuff to do. Some would say that would be enough to let Woodie wear amulets in wereforms but I think he can get way more like special interaction with lunar magic. He might also tap into whatever magic made Nightmare Werepig to create advanced wereforms for himself. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 48 minutes ago, maxwell_winters said: Walter could do with a QoL update like the ones Wortox and Wurt got last year. He has enough mechanics, they're just all over the place. Winona, Woodie and Willow definitely need more stuff to do. Some would say that would be enough to let Woodie wear amulets in wereforms but I think he can get way more like special interaction with lunar magic. He might also tap into whatever magic made Nightmare Werepig to create advanced wereforms for himself. Personally I think his mechanics outside of the slingshot are fine I'm still not sure where the all over the place thing comes from especially compared to other post rework characters it's mainly just his slingshot that feels like it was executed poorly. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustExo Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I think that Winona is in a weird position where she needs a lot more things in order for her to be considered as a "good character" she just needs more structures, and she needs more perks that are unique to her (preferably a balance of perks that help her with and without the structures being there) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146258-could-winona-get-a-little-bit-of-mini-rework/#findComment-1622995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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