Mysterious box Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, edulopes said: and when i go back.. wanda can do it too and more wanda only do the trip one time... Wanda's teleport is on a cooldown which means actively feeding resources to and from the chest is still better in a lot of cases. Just now, edulopes said: atm? At the moment Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: When solo it's a free chest and as a group it's a transportation tool your group uses to quickly transfer things to base for example you can take everything from the ruins in one trip while having as many resources as you need since it's a 2 way chest it's a very powerful tool. a powerful tool that is not tied to maxwell anyone can use it, and any one chan change to maxwell then dich him, in this reguard would be best for me losing the chest placing it in another caracter then asking something new just for max if you think about this way 5 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: At the moment thanks 1-wanda 2-Wickerbottom 3-wolfgang 4-Warly 5-wurt 6-spot is the line i draw, because i put maxwell here for general purporse farming, wifrid for figthing and wormwood for plant farming 7 wortox( could put him at 6 too because of his tp) 5 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: Wanda's teleport is on a cooldown which means actively feeding resources to and from the chest is still better in a lot of cases. the cooldown is the time would you take to traverse the caves, if not attacked by depths worms, so i think is worth it, and as i said this chest could be for any survivor, i would do it in my worlds and change them and go back to play maxwell Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, edulopes said: a powerful tool that is not tied to maxwell anyone can use it, and any one chan change to maxwell then dich him, in this reguard would be best for me losing the chest placing it in another caracter then asking something new just for max if you think about this way Other characters can't use the tophat meaning that without Maxwell all you got is a slightly bigger chest that connects to shadow chester if you have him. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Princess Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, edulopes said: but tell me would it be diferent from being a root chest for example? i would get wormwood place and change caracters, would not make any diference.... This would make a difference because there is no root chest in DST, so compared to pre-rework state and/or without Maxwell joining server at some point - yes, it'a a different experience. Refreshing ©. Also root trunk is not portable, and magician hat is. 1 hour ago, edulopes said: feel your pain i am PT BR, was on the phone just untill now jesus it tries to fix in PT not EN Thanks for understanding, and sorry for being near illiterate in some parts. I'm trying my best with rereading and editing (however, every time I write "pre-rework" it becomes either "pretty", or "pregnancy") Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 i will keep rating one second Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Pig Princess said: Also root trunk is not portable, and magician hat is. well for me is not an problem because i have every corner an magic box 6 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: Other characters can't use the tophat meaning that without Maxwell all you got is a slightly bigger chest that connects to shadow chester if you have him so you saying that i should not hare and kill the shadow chester ? so that i can get my slots? 6 minutes ago, Pig Princess said: This would make a difference because there is root chest in DST, so compared to pre-rework state and/or without Maxwell joining server at some point - yes, it'a a different experience. Refreshing ©. Also root trunk is not portable, and magician hat is. Thanks for understanding, and sorry for being near illiterate in some parts. I'm trying my best with rereading and editing (however, every time I write "pre-rework" it becomes either "pretty", or "pregnancy") hahaha but you edit fast so i didnt noticied Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, edulopes said: 1-wanda 16 minutes ago, edulopes said: 4-Warly Maxwell is a better harvester, Storage, CC, and better healing options 16 minutes ago, edulopes said: 2-Wickerbottom Can use all her perks 16 minutes ago, edulopes said: 3-wolfgang Is superior to him in every way that isn't combat or hp edit: forgot to include lifting 16 minutes ago, edulopes said: 5-wurt Has followers at will with no major setups, storage, cc, etc. 16 minutes ago, edulopes said: 6-spot is the line i draw, because i put maxwell here for general purporse farming, wifrid for figthing and wormwood for plant farming hits harder than Wigfrid and has no overlap with Wormwood. 16 minutes ago, edulopes said: 7 wortox( could put him at 6 too because of his tp) Wortox is average at best in my opinion I don't really see him as a strong character even with his teleporting. 4 minutes ago, edulopes said: so you saying that i should not hare and kill the shadow chester ? so that i can get my slots? Nope I'm saying most people are gonna want ice chester who is superior over the ability to mess with one player. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1-wanda 2-Wickerbottom 3-wolfgang 4-Warly 5-wurt 6-spot is the line i draw, because i put maxwell here for general purporse farming, wifrid for figthing and wormwood for plant farming 7 wortox( could put him at 6 too because of his tp)/wendy 8-winona have her's catapults( i separeted it because it is the same category as maxwell chest for me at least)+ the fast crafting helps mega base a lot 9-WX can be even higher because of his adaptabilty power 10-woodie- jack of all trades but haves late game problems 11-walter slignshot is terrible. 12- webber, i dislike him, his spiders in reality 13- willow 14- wes for obivious reasons 2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: Maxwell is a better harvester, Storage, CC, and better healing options day one refrigirating power, the most powerful foods of the game marging the gamebreaking point, good harvester because of spices, tank more because of spices makes all caracter viable by himself 4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: Can use all her perks once per day pratically when she can do 4-5 and more he needs her to setup 4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: Is superior to him in every way that isn't combat or hp transport of heavy things early game boating, (faster row) early game boss loot just because he is that strong 5 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: hits harder than Wigfrid i still think face tank wig hits harder Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Princess Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, edulopes said: well for me is not an problem because i have every corner an magic box Magic box goes smash (©) near rook rooms in the ruins. Also even with magic boxes all over the world it's still very useful before one gets to that point, i.e. for early- to mid-game. Earlier availability matters a lot even if function is the same. 20 minutes ago, edulopes said: you saying that i should not hare and kill the shadow chester ? so that i can get my slots? Magician's top hat, magician's box and shadow chester are more like windows to shadow storage rather than normal containers. So yes, by upgrading chester to shadow version solo Maxwell with magician's top hat looses inventory slots. However, multiplayer benefits from this, since if Maxwell left something valuable in shadow dimension, non-Maxwells can retrieve it with shadow chester. Shadow chester being "window" rather than chest is also why one can't put eyebone or celestial orb in him anymore 15 minutes ago, edulopes said: day one refrigirating Warly's chef pouch is weaker than ice box, has 6 slots and takes body slot. It's sidegrade to backpack, not upgrade/sidegrade to ice box Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, edulopes said: day one refrigirating power, I mean it's very minor refrigeration and gives you less slots 4 minutes ago, edulopes said: the most powerful foods of the game marging the gamebreaking point game breaking is debatable but it's where he's meant to excel 4 minutes ago, edulopes said: good harvester because of spices doesn't come close to actual harvester characters however 6 minutes ago, edulopes said: once per day pratically when she can do 4-5 and more he needs her to setup I mean you could use sanity food, the bone helm, or lunar areas where sanity doesn't exist as well to match her. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pig Princess said: Magic box goes smash (©) near rook rooms in the ruins. in those cases even wanda doing TP is an BAD idea 1 minute ago, Mysterious box said: I mean you could use sanity food better play wicker no? since changing caracters is basically free 2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: the bone helm, or lunar areas where sanity doesn't exist as well to match her. well bone helm is not an average DST player find, and lunar island is an mechanic Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, edulopes said: transport of heavy things early game boating, (faster row) early game boss loot just because he is that strong I mean what's stopping Maxwell from doing this yea he'll be a bit slower but so what? 10 minutes ago, edulopes said: i still think face tank wig hits harder Face tank Wigfrid hitting harder than face tank Maxwell seems mathematically impossible to me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 then what is stopping other caracter from beig as good as wanda or wolfgang they kill bosses the same as them but slower... 3 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: I mean what's stopping Maxwell from doing this yea he'll be a bit slower but so what? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, edulopes said: better play wicker no? since changing caracters is basically free why specifically? 6 minutes ago, edulopes said: well bone helm is not an average DST player find, and lunar island is an mechanic Lunar is a mechanic one that can be exploited and it's not like people can't make sanity food or fight off shadows. 1 minute ago, edulopes said: then what is stopping other caracter from beig as good as wanda or wolfgang they kill bosses the same as them but slower... Nothing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, Mysterious box said: why specifically? wicker works the same for less sanity food usage, and can do serval times a day some casts that make her gameplay easier for the mere downside of not being able to eat stale food that is more easy to forgo than maxwell's 75 HP 2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: sanity food or fight off shadows. deppends on the size of farm, if you are using wicker is normally go big or go home Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 The difference is not too little. Lucky grave amulet gives +20% damage and Magic hat gives +40% so a total of 60% extra damage for clones. Then Ruins rush or shadow manipulator will give your clones another 60%. And killing fuelweaver will only give 40% more damage, for a total difference of either 120% or 160% extra damage for clones. Thurible is relevant even if you hate beefalos, because it's still 20% extra clone damage every time you aren't attacking. You can swap amulet with log suit, footballhat with magictophat, hambat with thulecite club, and dark sword with thurible - right in the middle of battle. kinda like you already do with walking cane. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, edulopes said: wicker works the same for less sanity food usage, and can do serval times a day some casts that make her gameplay easier for the mere downside of not being able to eat stale food that is more easy to forgo than maxwell's 75 HP Also has the downside of spawning additional nightmare creatures from reading too much while Maxwell has access to all her books, stronger combat based followers, unique gatherer based followers, unique storage system, and unique cc abilities but somehow you keep acting like he's lacking. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Gi-Go said: every time you aren't attacking. you still need to attack to maintain atk speed Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Princess Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, edulopes said: those cases even wanda doing TP is an BAD idea Wait, but doesn't it prove my point? That Maxwell has an advantage here. 27 minutes ago, edulopes said: transport of heavy things early game boating, (faster row) early game boss loot just because he is that strong 16 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: I mean what's stopping Maxwell from doing this yea he'll be a bit slower but so what? Is Maxwell actually slower with beefalo though when it comes to transporting heavy objects? When it comes to bosses, it depends on fight, and faster rowing... Is it even relevant considering a lot of cases when player has to stop boat and/or change direction (at least with driftwood oar or malbatross bill? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, Pig Princess said: Is Maxwell actually slower with beefalo though when it comes to transporting heavy objects? When it comes to bosses, it depends on fight, and faster rowing... Is it even relevant considering a lot of cases when player has to stop boat and/or change direction (at least with driftwood oar or malbatross bill? I was mostly talking about the bosses but your definitely not wrong on either account. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: like he's lacking. asking for an less stressful gameplay and more freely, being locked in place for 2 seconds is terrible, if was 1 second same as wicker books... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, edulopes said: asking for an less stressful gameplay and more freely, being locked in place for 2 seconds is terrible, if was 1 second same as wicker books... Seems like a fair enough risk reward to me personally. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Pig Princess said: (at least with driftwood oar or malbatross bill? at least for me that isnt any big problem but that's an personal opnion, for me is fine and good to row that fast Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Princess Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, edulopes said: then what is stopping other caracter from beig as good as wanda or wolfgang they kill bosses the same as them but slower... To be fair consistent kill often is more sensitive to skill and knowledge of biome generation than character choice. Only seeded speedruns (and unseeded as well, apparently, because they boil down to state identical to seeded but with more regens if the world) are sensitive to character choice in most cases. Dragonfly is not the fight where extra damage makes the difference, at least not in speedrun Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edulopes Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, Mysterious box said: Seems like a fair enough risk reward to me personally. and the reward is you are not as good as other options horray Just now, Pig Princess said: To be fair consistent kill often is more sensitive to skill and knowledge of biome generation than character choice. Only seeded speedruns (and unseeded as well, apparently, because they boil down to state identical to seeded but with more regents if the world) are sensitive to character choice in most cases. Dragonfly is not the fight where extra damage makes the difference, at least not speedrun and currently DF is sadly blue screen for maxwell so is hard do compare... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/144531-talk-about-why-player-feel-frustrated-with-new-shadow-gear-system/page/4/#findComment-1608561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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