Wickerbottom On Tentacles ruined

[ArubaroBeefalo]

you have to make some extra effort in exchange of new upsides. Also BQ has the best loot so doesnt hurt to work a little

you complain about the new insanity downside but not about having book regeneration (which also makes the books even more useful in late while you complain about them not being useful in that stage of the game (?))

[Maxposting]

12 hours ago, Ohan said:

Okay. Thanks for your input though 

i want the skull emoji as a reaction on this site

[bumpa]

8 hours ago, Gashzer said:

I feel like these are alt accounts, bumpa made an account just to write this one complaint, Escripid as well is just an account made to post 2 complaints then slither off into silence... both these people are giving me alt account vibes lol

Come on lads, use your main steam-linked account like the rest of us! Haha

Haha. No I'm not an alt. This is my first post. I've been a long time lurker, guess this nerf motivated me enough to make an account.

 

2 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

you have to make some extra effort in exchange of new upsides. Also BQ has the best loot so doesnt hurt to work a little

you complain about the new insanity downside but not about having book regeneration (which also makes the books even more useful in late while you complain about them not being useful in that stage of the game (?))

I do understand the power. Book regeneration doesn't really matter for On Tentacles, because you get Tentacle Spots back when they were killed. Other books benefit from the regeneration feature more, which is why it feels like this book was missed. It just feels like, Wickerbottom doesn't have much going for her early game. On Tentacles was the only combat related book she had (now grumble bees so that's two books). I just think, considering her nerf's, the balance is tipped towards late game. And late game, you can always use the Celestial Portal to become Wickerbottom. If I have to solo fight Bosses, there is no incentive to choose Wicker with her downsides. Idk if not needing an Alchemy Engine is the a good enough advantage for her early game.  

Other's have pointed out On Tentacles uses, but personally I feel like it isn't that convenient of a book to use late game. It is more like an optional feature, IF you want to use it. 

 

14 hours ago, Parusoid said:

There is so many wrong assumptions you made in this post its crazy. Book has never been better and now its even a viable method of killing hound waves thanks to arachnophobia book that slow down enemies just enough for them to get aggroed by tentacles

???? if this works for you. Good for you. But I think it is fair to say there are better alternatives for dealing with hound waves. But I guess in general it seems like a good idea

[bumpa]

11 hours ago, Terra_Zina said:

Oh no, now Wickerbottom players will have to learn how to fight the bee queen like the rest of us!

I'd say good heavens, no more Wickerbottoms running around with queen helms day 15 while there are 5 ghosts on the server because people keep reaching for the honey and get caught by the trap.

?? Like Winona using catapults?? If soloing Bosses was expected, I would've chosen Wolfgang/Wigfrid? Each character has different perks and play styles. It is actually one of the things I love about Don't Starve Together. There are different ways to go about anything so one can choose a play style they like. I'm just pointing out Wickerbottom doesn't have much going on for her early game now. I in fact noticed this, when I was playing with someone who was Wigfrid. 

Anyway, as a lot of people have mentioned, it is still doable early game and that is pretty neat. It was just my rant.   

14 hours ago, Captain_Rage said:

Wickerbottom players have been too reliant on killing bosses like the Bee Queen using one book that does everything for them so they have never taken the time to try to eat cooked cactus flesh (?).

If my math is correct. 5 books, read 5 times each, with 50 sanity drain. That is a 1250 sanity loss. I think of all the characters, Wickerbottom suffers the most from insanity, so I'd reckon they know everything related to sanity gain. Including cooked cactus flesh. 

Anyway, as others have pointed out it is still doable. So that's awesome. 

[Prinha]

7 hours ago, bumpa said:

I do understand the power. Book regeneration doesn't really matter for On Tentacles, because you get Tentacle Spots back when they were killed. Other books benefit from the regeneration feature more, which is why it feels like this book was missed. It just feels like, Wickerbottom doesn't have much going for her early game.

It matters a lot, not because of the spots, but because of the reeds. Previously Wickerbottom was very reliant on the  reedtrap setpiece to craft books in a meaningful number. Bossfarms require a ton of casts to be self sufficient. As long as there are too few tentacles, the boss doesn't get properly stunlocked and kills a bunch of them everytime. This is not that important for a one time setup, but very important to sustain the farm. As far as I know the reedtrap only spawns naturally in 1% of unmodded worlds.

Wickerbottom has a decently strong early game. Her perk to craft one tier higher, then she has science for is very helpful and speeds up things quite a bit.

In my current run I have used On Tentacles (Bee Queen), Lux Aeterna (Redux) (Base) and Horticulture Abridged (fastgrow some carrots for bunnyfarm) in the early game. 

[Pruinae]

The way I usually do it after the update is to spam a bunch of tentacles, run to wormhole/cave entrance to despawn the shadows, run back and spam some more. Rinse and repeat, no sanity food or fighting required (from my experience it's faster than just fighting them if you're alone in the early game, might not be worth if you have another player's help or late game).

You do need some practice to avoid running into active tentacles (or into a shadow that will hit you on top of tentacles) when leaving, but I'm sure Wicker mains have that part covered.

Mid/Late game you'd have the skeleton hat so she pretty much doesn't have that downside anymore.

[Mysterious box]

20 hours ago, bumpa said:

If my math is correct. 5 books, read 5 times each, with 50 sanity drain. That is a 1250 sanity loss. I think of all the characters, Wickerbottom suffers the most from insanity, so I'd reckon they know everything related to sanity gain. Including cooked cactus flesh. 

Walter says hi.

[Guille6785]

10 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Walter says hi.

walter can't read on tentacles so he doesn't suffer the sanity drain

[ArubaroBeefalo]

18 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Walter says hi.

the hell are you talking about. Nobody gets hit as walter EVER, impossible

retire those words from your dirty mouth

[Mysterious box]

12 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

the hell are you talking about. Nobody gets hit as walter EVER, impossible

retire those words from your dirty mouth

Good heavens i don't know what came over me.

[Gashzer]

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Walter says hi.

Walter's immunity to dusk/night sanity drain and negative auras also says hi.

[Mysterious box]

52 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Walter's immunity to dusk/night sanity drain and negative auras also says hi.

Sanity clothing says hi? I'm not mocking Walter btw it's a good downside but you have to admit he has the worst sanity of the survivors where it matters most.

[Gashzer]

2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Sanity clothing says hi? I'm not mocking Walter btw it's a good downside but you have to admit he has the worst sanity of the survivors where it matters most.

Nahhhhh i'll never admit it..... bonehelm says hi

[maxwell_winters]

2 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Nahhhhh i'll never admit it..... bonehelm says hi

300 posts about not being able to beat the Fuelweaver say hi

[Spino43]

yay, another soon-to-be locked thread.

[Gashzer]

4 hours ago, maxwell_winters said:

300 posts about not being able to beat the Fuelweaver say hi

Git gud says hi. 

3 hours ago, Spino43 said:

yay, another soon-to-be locked thread.

Why? No one is being out of order or mean atm? Lol 

My final thought about On tentacles; it has always been too messy using it to fight bosses, back in the day before all the reworks when we didnt have much else.. sure it was strong. But now we have far cleaner and easier methods to kill bee queen (abigail,catapults, merm guards, spitters/nurses). 

On tentacles doesn't need to be great tho, wicker has plenty other great utility books which make up for it.

[Ohan]

Managed to do a day 10 BQ rush just now.. no sanity restoration other than flowers.. huge pain in butt.. 

Needing the bookcase instead of alchemy to unlock On Tentacles is genuinely a massive roadblock. I managed to get the 5 spots and 10 papyrus by day 4 but that required picking literally every single reed in the swamp which meant i only had enough papyrus for the bookcase and 3 books..

If it wasnt for the extremely lucky day 5 treeguard spawn the kill probably wouldve been even later, i ended up not finding any totally normal trees in my limited exploration. 

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I started the setup with the three books and once they were all at ~2% i went back to the swamp for more papyrus. Didnt even get to make a Lux Aeterna.. Even though i only had 5 books at the end i used more than 25 reads in total thanks to the recharge (which would not have been necessary pre refresh for the record). I didnt keep count however. 

Ended up with 32 nightmare fuel as well lol.. so many double and triple Terrorbeaks pushing around crawlers... 

The initial setup for sure has been hugely nerfed, like the difference is enormous. because its still possible doesnt change that. I believe even the book itself was stealth nerfed because the density of the tentacles is much sparser than before iirc.

I think this was totally undeserved considering wendy is still a thing... FeelsWickerbottomMan...