The book case requiring living logs returns a bit of wickerbottom's selfishness in the early game

[flamboyant wolf]

45 minutes ago, Primalflower said:

Also, this matter was already settled with the person it was directed at, and I've already apologized for initially being rude about it, and I've already acknowledged mysterious box's post about not being malicious. No need to bring it back up.

yeah, sorry. 

wrote the comment before i saw the end of discussion. kinda incompetent on my part. (pretty ironic, isn't it? :D) 

[lowercase skye]

49 minutes ago, Faintly Macabre said:

Wickerbottom has as much a vested interest in the creation of the Shadow Manipulator as everybody else does.

29 minutes ago, Faintly Macabre said:

I'm just saying she wants Dark Swords and the like as much as anyone.

One read of the everything encyclopedia + standing next to a research station will give Wickerbottom access to the shadow manipulator's crafts, is the thing.

She can, of course, read it around other people to help them do the same, however then we're back to the start of the thread. That only works if a Wickerbottom is actively around and willing to read.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

13 minutes ago, sylvia wander o said:

One read of the everything encyclopedia + standing next to a research station will give Wickerbottom access to the shadow manipulator's crafts, is the thing.

She can, of course, read it around other people to help them do the same, however then we're back to the start of the thread. That only works if a Wickerbottom is actively around and willing to read.

and for that the bookcase isnt a problem, just the opposite since wicker can cut steps to everyone on getting certain recipes and, if isnt cooperating, you still need to make the alchemy engine like always

if you dont colaborate why you expect to have prototypers in the first place?

[lowercase skye]

I really feel like the main point of this thread is completely reasonable and it's weird how much it's being argued against. The book case used to naturally help everyone even if a Wickerbottom only makes it for themself, now it doesn't. You can argue about how it's not hard to craft or whatever but it doesn't change the simple point that the design of the book case replacing an alchemy engine for a whole base is gone.

[Mysterious box]

35 minutes ago, sylvia wander o said:

I really feel like the main point of this thread is completely reasonable and it's weird how much it's being argued against. The book case used to naturally help everyone even if a Wickerbottom only makes it for themself, now it doesn't. You can argue about how it's not hard to craft or whatever but it doesn't change the simple point that the design of the book case replacing an alchemy engine for a whole base is gone.

I mean you can still replace it once you craft the bookcase much like how people replace a science machine or hat machine a craft helping the group isn't a reason for it to be cheap and it's not like others can't help with building it to speed up the process.

[Gashzer]

You make the bookcase to benefit wicker only, for access to better books and regen (maxwell an wurt can read the books too i guess....). The tier 2 crafting boost is a nice lore touch, cause books give knowledge ofc.

But honestly alchemy engines are dirt cheap, this thread seems like an excuse to reduce the cost of a extremely powerful structure. The cost of the bookcase should be higher, surprised it doesn't include something like a green gem (fits for lore too) for how ridiculously good having book regeneration is.

[Ornge]

2 hours ago, Gashzer said:

But honestly alchemy engines are dirt cheap, this thread seems like an excuse to reduce the cost of a extremely powerful structure.

But the bookcase was arguably cheaper than the alchemy pre-update, that's what the argument is based on. When a wickerbottom was in your server, the strategy used to be rush the bookcase as a replacement for the alchemy engine. that was a small new feature wicker brought to the team.

Now because it's more expensive than the alchemy engine, this strategy is no longer viable and therefore the bookshelves gimmick of unlocking tier 2 crafting becomes redundant. There's no point in making one for your "team" unless you hammer the alchemy and replace it with a bookshelf, which doesn't actually change anything other than a visual difference 

[Gashzer]

57 minutes ago, Ornge said:

But the bookcase was arguably cheaper than the alchemy pre-update, that's what the argument is based on. When a wickerbottom was in your server, the strategy used to be rush the bookcase as a replacement for the alchemy engine. that was a small new feature wicker brought to the team.

Now because it's more expensive than the alchemy engine, this strategy is no longer viable and therefore the bookshelves gimmick of unlocking tier 2 crafting becomes redundant. There's no point in making one for your "team" unless you hammer the alchemy and replace it with a bookshelf, which doesn't actually change anything other than a visual difference 

Yeah thats a fair point if the bookcase was primarily a replacement for the alchemy engine but my point is that the tier 2 crafting was never the primary or most powerful function of the bookcase hence taking into account its more powerful use (book regeneration an access to stronger books), the 4 living log cost is more than justified. 

TDLR: The tier 2 crafting is just a side perk to the bookcases primary use. Don't try to use that as an excuse to justify making it cheaper to craft.

[Parusoid]

recipe reduced to require only 2 living logs now

[abrocator]

On 8/3/2022 at 8:30 PM, sylvia wander o said:

and then everyone comes in trying to go like "ummm no you aren't gamer enough, just go to the caves" like.

Claim: X is kind of unreasonable in this context

Counter-claim: X is trivial [implication: you are bad at the game if you think this is at all an inconvenience]

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