Wicker = kick???

[LitulLola]

1 minute ago, cybers2001 said:

Ok but realtalk. How often do WXes get insta-kicked because they can eat gears? How often do Maxwells get insta-kicked because they can use nightmare fuel? Wigfrids for their stone/gold consumption? Webbers because they can bring spiders to the base?

So many "balance suggestions" have been thrown around purely on pub-game speculation. It's counter productive without any meaningful data behind it.

Well gears, nightmare fuel, stone and gold are very plentiful and super easy to get! The ingredients I'm speaking about are not and completely different in relation. So I really don't see your point.

[cybers2001]

1 minute ago, LitulLola said:

Well gears, nightmare fuel, stone and gold are very plentiful and super easy to get! The ingredients I'm speaking about are not and completely different in relation. So I really don't see your point.

So are living logs and iridescent gems.

[LitulLola]

3 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

So are living logs.

Living logs are not as plentiful as any of the ingredients you mentioned and you completely left out the iridescent gems from your argument. So again I really don't see your point

[cybers2001]

Just now, LitulLola said:

Living logs are not as plentiful as any of the ingredients you mentioned and you completely left out the iridescent gems from your argument. So again I really don't see your point

Have you read this thread at all? I'm stating a case against OP's concern that "scarce" resources are a reason a character will get insta-kicked from servers.

Living logs are more plentiful than all of those things if you have a Wormwood.

[Notecja]

2 minutes ago, LitulLola said:

Living logs are not as plentiful as any of the ingredients you mentioned and you completely left out the iridescent gems from your argument. So again I really don't see your point

While is RNG, you need really just eat dark swords for dinner, supper and breakfast, to run out of them so quickly (from server with 3-4 players). Wormwood and Woodie can ensure lots of these.

And Wicker after getting first iridescent gem can freely farm others when she wants without waiting.

[cybers2001]

6 minutes ago, Notecja said:

And Wicker after getting first iridescent gem can freely farm others when she wants without waiting.

Exactly. In fact, a pro Wicker can technically activate the archives even earlier than day 12. Just steal 1 gem from the archives, craft the book, then do 2 consecutive full-moon pedestal events with 2 star callers, deconstruct those, and take the 2 new iridescent gems to the archives. Stonks.

[Mr Giggio]

1 hour ago, cybers2001 said:

Hi I am a player with zero experience playing Wickerbottom and pub games. Here are my thoughts on the reworked Wickerbottom and pub games:

Okay

Now drop the atittude

[cybers2001]

4 minutes ago, MrSoratori said:

Okay

Now drop the atittude

I have over 3k hours, but that still doesn't say anything about my experience with Wickerbottom or pub games.

Edit: Wait, you're the guy that I was agreeing with. Man people sure get confused around here.

[Mr Giggio]

On 7/30/2022 at 1:04 PM, cybers2001 said:

I have over 3k hours, but that still doesn't say anything about my experience with Wickerbottom or pub games.

 

@edit: Oh I had no clue we are in the same page u went to straight I thought it was an attack lmao

 

[cybers2001]

Just now, MrSoratori said:

Look

Ur behavior here shows a lot about what people are saying about toxic invalidation. I will not reply it any further if u deny to look at it. I do know what Im talking about and Im not  trying to say u dont. Chill. 

I literally was expanding on your earlier comment. So you are either a hypocrite or still very confused.

[Mr Giggio]

Yeah it is the second option  and for that Im sorry .-. it missed some context to me

But still kinda eh

[cybers2001]

1 minute ago, MrSoratori said:

Probably the second option  and for that Im sorry .-. it misses some context to me

But still kinda eh

My stance has always been to allow the devs to do fun things without the constant and baseless paranoia of the forums about their pub games. Don't you "eh" me. 

[Mr Giggio]

4 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

My stance has always been to allow the devs to do fun things without the constant and baseless paranoia of the forums about their pub games. Don't you "eh" me. 

Got it got it, sorry

[LitulLola]

33 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

My stance has always been to allow the devs to do fun things without the constant and baseless paranoia of the forums about their pub games. Don't you "eh" me. 

The craft was changed to iridescent gems because of the paranoia of the forum's about pub server's. I'm arguing against that very thing so I'm confused about your problem or point.

Plus your completely ignoring the time and resources it takes to create iridescent gems. A server isn't going to like wasting a starcaller and mooncaller on one book that they can't use.

And not every server will have a wormwood. He is usually jumped on anyway for living logs and this only makes it worse.

[Copyafriend]

1 hour ago, LitulLola said:

I can only say this sooo many times, it's NOT about griefing. I don't care about her ability to grief, I don't think this game should be tuned around it either. My post is ONLY about ppl Insta kicking her because they don't want to give up easy dark swords, shadow manipulators and that someone will always be concerned over the iridescent gems. If Willow gets kicked for a lighter (which I think it ridiculous and is because of griefing) I don't see alot of ppl taking a chance on random Wicker.

If a Wicker is terrorizing a server (griefing) then she deserves to be kicked, I'm worried about the Insta kick due to resources that ppl hate to share as is.

I really hope I'm wrong and that it won't be a problem. I love this game and most the ppl who play it. I'm just pointing out a possible problem with her crafting ingredients and trying to avoid any problems when this goes live. I don't know about you but it's a little disheartening to get Insta kicked from a server, let alone a bunch of times.

Bro. Its a problem that exists only in your head atm. We’ll talk about the if and whens you’re talking about IF and WHEN they actually start being a problem.

because lets be real for a second, the average wickerbottom isnt even going to go to the archives at all. And they certainly aren’t making it to the lunar isle. At least not on a public server. Full moons are cool conceptually but in a public server they arent going to be able to make a moon book, and people will realize that and just not take the iridescent gem. And also also, many pubiic servers never get shadow magic going, so a wickerbottom’s bookcase is infinitely more valuable. 
yes theres the possibility of a wicker being selfish but a wicker who knows what they’re doing is worth more than almost every other character in terms of what they can produce. So no, people likely WONT instaban wicker, and most people dont instaban willow either, its just a meme. Like everyone has said if they’re going to actually troll they’ll just pick a random character and craft a torch. 
 

tldr: stop complaining about something that hasnt happened and likely wont happen. Theres all the reason in the world to let a wickerbottom stay. And four living logs is the only realistic reason to kick them.

[oregu]

Just now, Copyafriend said:

And four living logs is the only realistic reason to kick them.

not rly

[cybers2001]

3 hours ago, LitulLola said:

The craft was changed to iridescent gems because of the paranoia of the forum's about pub server's. I'm arguing against that very thing so I'm confused about your problem or point.

Personally, either recipe is the same for me. If I were to start over in a fresh world, I wouldn't concern myself over controlling the moon until I'm in a sustainable enough spot that I have nothing better to do than farm pig skin or moon stone. If you personally have a balance issue with it, that's one thing, but pub griefing (including insta-bans) is a tired excuse to bring to every argument.

A wickerbottom can still get a day 1 lunar book by rushing the archives and taking an iridescent gem. My point is it's silly to argue that needing one gem is enough of an issue that she will be perma-banned. Especially considering that there's no other use for iridescent gems outside of the one you need to power the archives.

And keep in mind that the effort it takes to get one iridescent gem to power the archives is only slightly less than getting two iridescent gems. Worst case scenario is delays you by 20 days, but if the Wickerbottom is competent enough to know how to reach the archives, she is likely aware that she can help her team get one additional iridescent gem for merely the cost of one additional starcaller.

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Plus your completely ignoring the time and resources it takes to create iridescent gems. A server isn't going to like wasting a starcaller and mooncaller on one book that they can't use.

Getting the one iridescent gem to turn on the archives means having to clear the ruins. If you already cleared the ruins, then a second iridescent gem is literally just 4 nightmare fuel, 2 living logs and 2 yellow gems (or you can use a construction amulet and get 2 staves for the price of one).

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And not every server will have a wormwood. He is usually jumped on anyway for living logs and this only makes it worse.

Then pick Woodie and try to get treeguards. Or start your world with the halloween event and farm totally-normal trees. I mean you're going about this from the angle that sharing items of value with other players is an inconvenience, but maybe playing in a group is the real inconvenience for you?

[Mysterious box]

6 hours ago, LitulLola said:

The craft was changed to iridescent gems because of the paranoia of the forum's about pub server's.

The change to the recipe does nothing to fix this so I don't think that's the case if anything the biggest argument against it being the gem is pub servers.