Saturnus Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Combining hydras with gas condensers directly into infinite storages. It's a test setup but easily made into a survival build. Incredibly stable operation. The only thing to note is that the hydrogen side must never be allowed to run down to complete vacuum or you'll need to reprime the hydrogen side. Oxygen side can be run to vacuum without issues. Under operation neither will ever happen though. Produces 888g/s oxygen and 896g/s hydrogen. Uses 1120W total on average for the setup as illustrated, ie. without liquid pumps for cryofuel output and water input. Total amount of supercoolant used: 2000kg. Total amount of thermium used: 200kg. Everything else is steel and ceramics but electrolysers can be gold amalgam and many of the insulated tiles can also be replaced for cheaper materials if needed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142174-the-space-invader-hyper-efficient-cryofuel-condenser/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghkbrew Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I can guess, but would you mind sharing the piping and automation overlays? Is there any problem with gasses condensing in the tile right before the airflow tiles, since they touch the cold metal doors? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142174-the-space-invader-hyper-efficient-cryofuel-condenser/#findComment-1589772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, ghkbrew said: I can guess, but would you mind sharing the piping and automation overlays? Is there any problem with gasses condensing in the tile right before the airflow tiles, since they touch the cold metal doors? It's not exactly a complicated setup. Bog standard really. No but good question. It's actually deliberate to form a pre-chiller. I've since changed it slightly to have that part slightly more efficient. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142174-the-space-invader-hyper-efficient-cryofuel-condenser/#findComment-1589793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 hours ago, melquiades said: What prevent gases from liquefying outside the liquid reservoir?. Very nice setup. It's not cold enough before it goes into the airflow tiles where the thermium radiant pipes are. As soon as the gas enters the airflow tiles it turns to liquid and is teleported into the infinite reservoir. Extended testing have shown that thermium or the alternative, aluminium, isn't strictly needed. It'll work just fine using just steel radiant pipes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142174-the-space-invader-hyper-efficient-cryofuel-condenser/#findComment-1590321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Havok9 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 All that oxygen could easily translate into free bbq for all astronauts! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142174-the-space-invader-hyper-efficient-cryofuel-condenser/#findComment-1590515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 42 minutes ago, melquiades said: I thought that having oxygen on top was the proper way to do it and then got frustrated cause i couldn't make it work anymore on another asteroid xD It used to be that way but since an update a few months ago you should always have hydrogen going up. Why is that? Because try to start a hydra with vacuum on both sides. Oxygen will first fill the room on the left and then hydrogen will make it way up inside the same room. Neither gas will ever go into the room above unless there is a gas of either type already there. Using that knowledge. It's a fairly simple process of just making sure the room above, the hydrogen part is completely vacuumed, and then just start the build up with a simple sensor+vent filter to dump the hydrogen in the top room when it gets picked up in the oxygen room. That way you never have to worry about building the hydra in a vacuum or worry about how to prime it. You just vacuum out the hydrogen room and start it up, completely self-priming. Here's some of my recent self-priming hydra builds. Should be noted they're all extremely simple to build in survival but you just have to wrap your head around how first. Single Double Quad 1 hour ago, 6Havok9 said: All that oxygen could easily translate into free bbq for all astronauts! You can do whatever you like with the waste oxygen. Route it to dupes for breathing, cool stuff in space by proximity to a gas vent slowly emtiting oxygen, feed to longhair slicksters. It doesn't matter really and doesn't affect the build in any way except making it look less like one of the aliens in the seminal arcade game, Space Invaders, from which the build got its name when looking at the material overlay: gas or temp overlay. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142174-the-space-invader-hyper-efficient-cryofuel-condenser/#findComment-1590545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Havok9 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Saturnus said: It used to be that way but since an update a few months ago you should always have hydrogen going up /snip I had a oxygen top-hydrogen bottom submerged electrolyzer array break on save load after some inactivity. You should liquefy that wasted oxygen then... it would look like downward shooting projectiles! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142174-the-space-invader-hyper-efficient-cryofuel-condenser/#findComment-1590601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
degr Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Is it possible to "route back" LOH into infinite storage? Or you just throw it into space? Spoiler I mean, you charge your rocket, rocket finally full, hydrogen still inside of pipes. Most probably you have no enough insulation to "just keep hydrogen in pipes", so, you need to route it back, or dump to space. PS: I would like to optimize chilling loop in a next way: 1. move thermal pipes sensor so close to liquid tank as is possible 2. change direction of supercoolant flow - chill hydrogen at first, then chill turbine Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142174-the-space-invader-hyper-efficient-cryofuel-condenser/#findComment-1593003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted August 8, 2022 Author Share Posted August 8, 2022 6 hours ago, degr said: Is it possible to "route back" LOH into infinite storage? Or you just throw it into space? This is a proof of concept build optimized for visual appearance. What you do in a survival build is up to you. 6 hours ago, degr said: 1. move thermal pipes sensor so close to liquid tank as is possible 2. change direction of supercoolant flow - chill hydrogen at first, then chill turbine Again, what you do in your own build is up to you but it's actually on purpose that it's in this order here because what's important is not the liquid reservoir temperature. The important part is to measure liquid temperature as close as possible to, but after, the condenser and adjust for rising temperature as needed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142174-the-space-invader-hyper-efficient-cryofuel-condenser/#findComment-1593099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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