So hows Wolfgang?

[Keller Max]

Im fine with the new Wolfgang at most. But i would like to suggest couple of things to make him more comfortable to play:

1) Dumbells not losing durability when exercising, only when used as a weapon. In exchange, dumbells will cost more to craft or drain hunger or give less mightiness, etc... (They are way too expensive for the amount of mightiness you can get from them) 2 cut stones is way too much for couple of workouts

2) After reaching 100 mightiness (gym), might value will be frozen for some time, so you can fill your lost hunger without losing huge chunk of mightiness due to being hungry after exercising.

[ThymeSpirit]

9 hours ago, Shosuko said:

When Wendy got her refresh she was originally given a risk/reward mechanic that asked you to be as low hp as possibly on Wendy so Abigail could do big dps.  Fan backlash was pretty strong as this was NOT the flavor of character they felt Wendy should have.  Within a week Klei put out the Wendy we have today, which both plays better thematically and works well mechanically.

Wendy wasn't changed because of backlash, but because klei never intended for her to have that kind of gameplay: https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116755-game-update-401443/

Many people actually liked the initial rework and were upset about the change, so klei promised to add a new character with glass cannon mechanics (which probably ended up being Wanda): https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116755-game-update-401443/?do=findComment&comment=1319384

In case of Wolfgang though, they made it clear it's their vision of the character and it's final. People can complain all they want, it's not going to change anything.

[Mysterious box]

17 minutes ago, ThymeSpirit said:

Wendy wasn't changed because of backlash, but because klei never intended for her to have that kind of gameplay: https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116755-game-update-401443/

Many people actually liked the initial rework and were upset about the change, so klei promised to add a new character with glass cannon mechanics (which probably ended up being Wanda): https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116755-game-update-401443/?do=findComment&comment=1319384

In case of Wolfgang though, they made it clear it's their vision of the character and it's final. People can complain all they want, it's not going to change anything.

Actually it was changed due to the backlash as this was what kiel intended infact it's mentioned in the thread you linked and the Wendy Abigail not working as a team considering Wendy needed low damage mechanic was a major complaint by the players which was why it was changed.

 have decided to move away from Wendy's health value modifying Abigail's damage. We had intended for it to represent Abigail becoming enraged as her sister was approaching death, however it resulted in the sisters not working together as a team.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

51 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

however it resulted in the sisters not working together as a team.

and now they dont work together as a team because wendy can eat pop corns while abi deal with the hound wave/monkeys/spiders alone, for some reason klei gave her a shield by default instead of making it an elixir ( making the shield elixir actually useful with that...)

[ThymeSpirit]

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

Actually it was changed due to the backlash as this was what kiel intended infact it's mentioned in the thread you linked and the Wendy Abigail not working as a team considering Wendy needed low damage mechanic was a major complaint by the players which was why it was changed.

 have decided to move away from Wendy's health value modifying Abigail's damage. We had intended for it to represent Abigail becoming enraged as her sister was approaching death, however it resulted in the sisters not working together as a team.

Where does it say "we changed it because everyone was upset"? Do you misunderstand the meaning of "backlash"? They say they changed it because they didn't predict that players would intentionally keep Wendy at low health, to make Abi perpetually enraged (and that tactic was not their intent). Not because of players complaining about it.

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, ThymeSpirit said:

Where does it say "we changed it because everyone was upset"?

How many developers would say this next your going to tell me that willow got fire immunity back because the devs didn't intend for her not to have it.

1 hour ago, ThymeSpirit said:

They say they changed it because they didn't predict that players would intentionally keep Wendy at low health, to make Abi perpetually enraged (and that tactic was not their intent). Not because of players complaining about it.

This was said after people were blowing up the forums saying the exact same thing so yes it was infact in response to what the community said.

[Cloakingsumo198]

6 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

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I just explained how even an inexperienced player can survive as Wanda just by playing safe, staying old all the time and dying from your choice is your fault. You get almost 4 heals from the watch in one day that's enough to stay young and heal from some damage. Hella utility from those 3 time pieces she starts with, she's useful for everyone, op for pros, after getting the alarming clock she's one of the safest characters to play. Dying to weather so overheating/freezing that's just dangerous to anyone at low hp, and Wanda has free heals to avoid low hp. As Wanda you are safe, you can be wreckless and have the tools to reverse your mistakes but if you aren't fast you pay deeply.

 

 

Alright I'll mention something about Wolfgang. I hate seeing my boy power down, I would never allow him do so before this rework but now it is inevitable enless I plan to lift mid stroll for no reason. Everytime I power down it is a reminder of my loss.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

10 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

I just explained how even an inexperienced player can survive as Wanda just by playing safe, staying old all the time and dying from your choice is your fault. You get almost 4 heals from the watch in one day that's enough to stay young and heal from some damage. Hella utility from those 3 time pieces she starts with, she's useful for everyone, op for pros, after getting the alarming clock she's one of the safest characters to play. Dying to weather so overheating/freezing that's just dangerous to anyone at low hp, and Wanda has free heals to avoid low hp. As Wanda you are safe, you can be wreckless and have the tools to reverse your mistakes but if you aren't fast you pay deeply.

wigfrid, wolfgang, woodie and wendy

[Cloakingsumo198]

17 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

wigfrid, wolfgang, woodie and wendy

Deflecting won't help you, it didn't help Wolfgang, they didn't show him mercy..... No mercy to my poor boy.

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[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

Deflecting won't help you, it didn't help Wolfgang, they didn't show him mercy..... No mercy to my poor boy.

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im not deflecting just that i dont get your point. Sure, people can play wanda in young and middle age but for what? a character with a more difficult hp bar than wormwood and warly with the damage of wigfrid (is true alarming clock is alarming strong in middle age for such little danger). The only scenarios that i see is someone using her like that because they want or a unexperience player wanting to use the character's teleportation in late game

other than that: wolfgang, wigfrid, wendy and woodie

 

[Cloakingsumo198]

Yes.

I account for new players and your 400 iq, the way both approach things are different but the tools are the same and the tools are great. Wanda isn't hard

[Mysterious box]

58 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

im not deflecting just that i dont get your point. Sure, people can play wanda in young and middle age but for what? a character with a more difficult hp bar than wormwood and warly with the damage of wigfrid (is true alarming clock is alarming strong in middle age for such little danger). The only scenarios that i see is someone using her like that because they want or a unexperience player wanting to use the character's teleportation in late game

other than that: wolfgang, wigfrid, wendy and woodie

 

To be fair for the average player hp management is going to be easier for her than wormwood also even if you remove her oldest age perks she still offers

Group fast travel

Backstep with invincible frames

Cooldown based team revival

Unbreakable higher range weapon

 

[Mike23Ua]

3 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

To be fair for the average player hp management is going to be easier for her than wormwood also even if you remove her oldest age perks she still offers

Group fast travel

Backstep with invincible frames

Cooldown based team revival

Unbreakable higher range weapon

 

Wanda can go idle with just revival clocks and let a Wes player fight a boss alone just reviving him each time he dies just off screen he can literally kill the boss by just continuing to hit it a few times and die similar to how Wendy can continuously summon Abigail after she dies till Deerclops is finally dead.

For this reason Alone: Wanda is an overpowered god tier character, these are FREE Cooldown based revivals..

Before Wanda it cost LGA, Effigy, Touchstone, Telltale heart to revive that Wes.. now he can die as much as his little heart desires & all Wanda has to do is revive him.

I wouldn’t exactly call that being a character requiring skill to play..

Maybe SOLO…. But if you have so much as one Undying Wes skill goes out the Window.

[Yuuko]

41 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wanda can go idle with just revival clocks and let a Wes player fight a boss alone just reviving him each time he dies just off screen he can literally kill the boss by just continuing to hit it a few times and die similar to how Wendy can continuously summon Abigail after she dies till Deerclops is finally dead.

For this reason Alone: Wanda is an overpowered god tier character, these are FREE Cooldown based revivals..

Before Wanda it cost LGA, Effigy, Touchstone, Telltale heart to revive that Wes.. now he can die as much as his little heart desires & all Wanda has to do is revive him.

I wouldn’t exactly call that being a character requiring skill to play..

Maybe SOLO…. But if you have so much as one Undying Wes skill goes out the Window.

idk when you use her second chance watch you revive exactly where you died and go through a revive animation before you get control of your character, meanwhile you're 100% vulnerable to the world.  I doubt you'd get 1 punch off, let alone grabbing a weapon and swinging it before whatever killed you the first time got you again.  The CD of each watch is 4 minutes, if you want to revive every 10 seconds that would be 24 watches, a considerable investment.

Hyperbole is fun and all, but lets get real about a few things with Wanda:
The revives are powerful, they don't burn if they're used to revive team mates, they don't cost much if you revive yourself - BUT reviving where you died is not always ideal.  I've had a number of people just die immediately after being revived with this because where they died was still dangerous.  They cost a clock part to keep around, and their cd is half a day.  The cost of other revive methods isn't very high either, meat effigies and lga are pretty cheap.  Telltale hearts are even cheaper.
The backstep watch is powerful, it can dodge hits and help you kite - BUT if you miss your timing it goes on CD and you take the hit.  It always moves you back, so its not a free teleport anything like Wortox.  Anyone can use a lazy explorer for a similar effect.  Double bone armor is better in most cases.
Alarming clock damage is very high.  It pretty much ties Wolfgang with darksword.  Refueling is easy since its also a super effective weapon against shadows.  Even in younger forms the damage is pretty high. - THIS could probably use a nerf in younger forms, no reason to have so much damage when you're not taking the risk.  The damage in Elder form is what it needs to be to make playing a risky character worth it.

"Free unlimited healing" sounds so great, except if a new player is dying to damage odds are they're picking bad fights and would die anyway.  Tunnel vision is also a thing, especially for new players.  I'd imagine many of them would simply forget to wind their watch and die gathering berries lol

[ArubaroBeefalo]

35 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wanda can go idle with just revival clocks and let a Wes player fight a boss alone just reviving him each time he dies just off screen he can literally kill the boss by just continuing to hit it a few times and die similar to how Wendy can continuously summon Abigail after she dies till Deerclops is finally dead.

For this reason Alone: Wanda is an overpowered god tier character, these are FREE Cooldown based revivals..

Before Wanda it cost LGA, Effigy, Touchstone, Telltale heart to revive that Wes.. now he can die as much as his little heart desires & all Wanda has to do is revive him.

I wouldn’t exactly call that being a character requiring skill to play..

Maybe SOLO…. But if you have so much as one Undying Wes skill goes out the Window.

[Cloakingsumo198]

9 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

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I want to counter by saying the revive clock is great for babying newer players, especially if you're in a tight group and not wandering off instead, it negates needing a booster shot, and you can just remove what killed them in the first place (pretty good)

I'd say the backstep watch is a great backup for when you're not sure if you're out of kite range and need invincibility frames getting punished for missing timing is a given

Unlimited healing is great even if it's just almost 4 times a day, if you aren't taking damage that's still free heals, especially useful in joining a late winter or for healing up after taking slight weather damage.

I see Wanda as being real difficult in bosses though with her slow heals, when fighting those cooldowns can feel like an eternity, especially if you're already old and running out of time but that's why you have invincibility frames and longer range to avoid hits, but for the long game her gear is really is good keeping her alive.

[Yuuko]

21 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

I want to counter

idk how any of this is a counter, but okay.

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by saying the revive clock is great for babying newer players, especially if you're in a tight group and not wandering off instead it negates needing a booster shot, and you can just remove what killed them in the first place (pretty good)

Sure, if you're good enough to get these going before they start dying XD I've had several games where ghosts are waiting on cd's because I'm not building more than 1 of these.  Sure I could build more than one, but that would get in the way of useful things like my alarming clock, ageless, backstep, and backtreks.  Often I just make them a telltale anyway XD  Great for babysitting, but not exactly OP to babysit absolute noobs who would need this...  Its a better revive than a telltale heart, but a decent group is going to find them just that, "a better option."  Not op since meat effigies and LGAs are pretty easy to get going and don't have any penalty.  Meat effigy could be considered better because while the second chance watch revives you where you died (sometimes makes the revive useless) and requires you ghost to Wanda to get it (and Wanda to be carrying it, I usually leave them at base,) a meat effigy teleports your ghost back to the base where you're safe and saves time.  As Wanda I use these a lot more than I use the second chance for myself.

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I'd say the backstep watch is a great backup for when you're not sure if you're out of kite range and need invincibility frames getting punished for missing timing is a given

ppl acting like its free is all I'm saying.  "backstep watch is iframes" yeah its no srk buddy, you gotta time it right.  Use it too early and you get hit, use it too late and you might still get hit.  Timing isn't instant either, if you don't know when an attack is going to land ahead of time you probably won't be saved by this.  Its not exactly "OH SHTT TERROR BEAK *backstep* everything's fine."

When I did my Wanda vs Dfly, no flute, no wall fight I didn't use backstep very much because I found it wasn't the most reliable for dodging attacks.  Even seeing them coming I took a few hits.  Several times in this fight I was literally 1 hit from death.  It was very useful, integral even, but it isn't some yolo iframes get outta jail free item.

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Unlimited healing is great even if it's just almost 4 times a day, if you aren't taking damage that's still free heals, especially useful in joining a late winter or for healing up after taking slight weather damage.

Lets qualify what "free unlimited healing" means.  You get 8 years when you use it, it takes 2 minutes to come off cd.  "Unlimited" is actually capped at +32 years each, with an overhead of -12 per day.  Yes you can make more of these, but just like Mike's example with "Free Unlimited Revive Wes to kill a boss" you'll need a lot of clock parts, red gems, marble, and inventory space to get enough watches to make a big difference, and you still need to actually survive your encounter.

Its very convenient but I wouldn't call it "noob friendly," and the words "free unlimited" certainly paint a very different picture than what you actually get.

Its the same kind of hyperbole used to describe old Wolfgang - "yOu JuSt EaT" yeah but you gotta gather 3x as much food as anyone else, and you have to eat it continually to keep at 95% hunger or your damage and speed fall off, and even in normal mode without any perks you're consuming 1.5x food.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

46 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

d say the backstep watch is a great backup for when you're not sure if you're out of kite range and need invincibility frames getting punished for missing timing is a given

you need to time it very well. Isnt as easy as it seems when you and neither as easy as evade atacks with souls 

most of the time you will kite normaly

48 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

Unlimited healing is great even if it's just almost 4 times a day, if you aren't taking damage that's still free heals, especially useful in joining a late winter or for healing up after taking slight weather damage

this is an exageration that sadly appears all the time. Sure, you dont have to farm healing food like if it is difficult, again, potatoes + tomatoes = enjoy spaming healing 

meanwhile as wanda you have 1 >20hp healing with cooldown per slot used. If someone can see how inferior is this in comparation to wormwood with batbat/healing items or the already mentioned farms is because they are just being biased, with all my honesty

sure, in your scenario will be superior if the player has 0 idea of how to heal in winter but... spiders, rocks and ash are easy to get and superior

[Mysterious box]

38 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

ppl acting like its free is all I'm saying.  "backstep watch is iframes" yeah its no srk buddy, you gotta time it right.  Use it too early and you get hit, use it too late and you might still get hit.  Timing isn't instant either, if you don't know when an attack is going to land ahead of time you probably won't be saved by this.  Its not exactly "OH SHTT TERROR BEAK *backstep* everything's fine."

When I did my Wanda vs Dfly, no flute, no wall fight I didn't use backstep very much because I found it wasn't the most reliable for dodging attacks.  Even seeing them coming I took a few hits.  Several times in this fight I was literally 1 hit from death.  It was very useful, integral even, but it isn't some yolo iframes get outta jail free item.

No offense but that's more of a skill issue

 

40 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

Lets qualify what "free unlimited healing" means.  You get 8 years when you use it, it takes 2 minutes to come off cd.  "Unlimited" is actually capped at +32 years each, with an overhead of -12 per day.  Yes you can make more of these, but just like Mike's example with "Free Unlimited Revive Wes to kill a boss" you'll need a lot of clock parts, red gems, marble, and inventory space to get enough watches to make a big difference, and you still need to actually survive your encounter.

Its very convenient but I wouldn't call it "noob friendly," and the words "free unlimited" certainly paint a very different picture than what you actually get.

Its the same kind of hyperbole used to describe old Wolfgang - "yOu JuSt EaT" yeah but you gotta gather 3x as much food as anyone else, and you have to eat it continually to keep at 95% hunger or your damage and speed fall off, and even in normal mode without any perks you're consuming 1.5x food.

The thing is most moons have trouble gathering those healing resources which is what makes her clock noob friendly it also saves time spent.

[Cloakingsumo198]

28 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

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It's a counter because as much as you try make the free revive with no health penalty sound mediocre it's still an extremely great option to have in your pocket compared to finding a touchstone, being revived by a heart, or using an effigy that sends you back home. This one is just on a CD it sends you back to your corpse immediately and can act as an emergency revive for Wanda herself situational but great.

I haven't played Wanda sorry I don't have the experience to tell you specifically how it feels to use the backstep but it looks like the back step is useful only when the teleport is far enough away from the original point of attack to avoid damage still it's another option Wanda has aside from kiting.

The healing is a blessing and a curse, I did account for the 2 minute cooldown but it's still free healing every two minutes if you aren't strapped for time you will passively heal up EVENTUALLY like I said it's a double edged sword but you can make another rewind watch too and on top of all that Wanda gets more damage for being old.

I'm not here to fight you on semantics, strategies, or skill level Shosuko clearly you understand Wanda more than me who wasn't played her but I don't like hearing Wanda as the most difficult character or only for the most top tier of players with God game sense. Out of every character that can min-max Wanda is probably the one with the most potential but she can excel at almost any skill level if the player has enough sense of caution and not biting off more than they can chew.

Tldr: Wanda is for everyone, she's not fragile, she's super strong, super useful, and has extreme utility outside of just fighting. And most of all she isn't hard mode by any sense of the word

[ArubaroBeefalo]

im surprised for how people accept wigfrid as a balanced character and claims "wanda opppp infinity heaaaaaling and reviveeee"

imo the revive argument is the funniest one but so close to the infinity healing...

3 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

I haven't played Wanda sorry I don't have the experience to tell you specifically how it feels to use the backstep but it looks like the back step is useful only when the teleport is far enough away from the original point of attack to avoid damage still it's another option Wanda has aside from kiting.

not at all. Is more useful in old age because the point is close to you so you can evade and not waste a lot of time to reach again the enemy like happens in young age

is a big waste of dps in middle and young and a little waste of dps in old age, only useful for hits that you cant evade normally (bishops, mctusk 1st df hit..) and to save on lazy explorer during FW. Pretty niche imo if we exclude how useful is to clean the ruins

"but glermz evades all the bishop and rook atacks with it, sooo opppiii"  try and see, my firsts cleanning were a disaster and actually waste more time and resources trying to use the clock instead of playing normally.

If something needs a lot of experience and to be timed perfectly i wont call it op...

[Yuuko]

23 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

No offense but that's more of a skill issue

Yeah, total skill issue - I must be a total scrub XD  Learning the timing for using this watch is more difficult than just learning kiting patterns.  Its use mostly comes out in times when you can't dodge.  When you can dodge, its usually best to just dodge.

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The thing is most moons have trouble gathering those healing resources which is what makes her clock noob friendly it also saves time spent.

I don't buy it...  Healing is one of the most absolute basic elements of the game.  If they aren't even able to kill butterflies, I absolutely disagree that an ageless watch is going to make their life better...  Whatever they are dying to, and whatever they don't understand about the game is better cured with learning more, not some crux watch.  imo they'd still find a way to die.

17 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

as much as you try make the free revive with no health penalty sound mediocre...

What did I say that made it sound mediocre?  Its a great revive - but not always the best revive.  There are times where a meat effigy and LGA are going to be better than a second chance watch.  Mostly because where you died is probably still dangerous.  LGA requires no teammate assistance, and you can carry it with you and leave it nearby.  Meat effigy saves ghosting time and gets you back to base.  Having access to UNLIMITED second chance watches isn't going to make other revives useless.  You said it yourself

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great for babying newer players, especially if you're in a tight group and not wandering off

Absolutely right ! It is great for that.  That does not describe my typical DST experience though.  Typically the name of the game is to spread out as quick as possible to cover the map, divide resources duties, and only join together for major boss fights.  In those situations second chance watch *might* be good, it also might not.  I've revived several people only to have them immediately die again lol

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I haven't played Wanda sorry I don't have the experience to tell you specifically how it feels to use the backstep but it looks like the back step is useful only when the teleport is far enough away from the original point of attack to avoid damage still it's another option Wanda has aside from kiting.

A lot of people obviously didn't play Wolfgang - but were happy to share how easy it was to get fed and dunk on bosses and how important it was to nerf him to the ground lol now look where we're at XD  I'm pretty confident Mike hasn't played Wanda either with his idea about unlimited revives Wes <_<

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don't like hearing Wanda as the most difficult character or only for the most top tier of players with God game sense.

Absolutely - I'd say Wanda is more difficult than other characters, but she is not that much more difficult.  Anyone with moderate DST experience is going to find her downsides manageable.  Then its just a question of whether you want to risk elder form for max damage.  I guess if you say no to that, Wolfgang is supposed to be the next choice <_<

[Mysterious box]

9 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

im surprised for how people accept wigfrid as a balanced character and claims "wanda opppp infinity heaaaaaling and reviveeee"

imo the revive argument is the funniest one but so close to the infinity healing...

Yea I can't understand the healing/revive op argument since at the end of the day their still on cooldowns.

2 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

I don't buy it...  Healing is one of the most absolute basic elements of the game.  If they aren't able to fight a few spiders, or chop down some berchnuts and harvest berries, I absolutely disagree that an ageless watch is going to make their life better...

This assumes alot people can get by on pubs without fighting, thisalso assumes they know where healing items come from, and finally yes there are indeed players who aren't good at fighting spiders.

3 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

Yeah, total skill issue - I must be a total scrub XD  Learning the timing for using this watch is more difficult than just learning kiting patterns.  Its use mostly comes out in times when you can't dodge.  When you can dodge, its usually best to just dodge.

Not at all different things are hard for different people but that doesn't mean it's not useful I'd like to repeat when I said no offense I meant it wasn't trying to sound condescending if that's what it came off as.

[Cloakingsumo198]

3 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

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13 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

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I understand both of you aren't terrible at this game however players like you aren't the only ones I account for when arguing.

Mike said at one point that noobs are most likely to be wasting time anyways, so these cool downs don't matter as much to them. 

Perogies and healing salves are easy to mass produce but you must make the effort to go make them and know how to do so efficiently.

The most safe way to play Wanda is by staying young (shocker), that's her being at full hp technically it gives you alot of leway to make mistakes and the best part is if you really want your extra damage you can just make mistakes to eventually get it.

Healing over time is still healing over time. Compared to having 40 perogies your watch sucks (I spit on it), but compared to having no perogies on hand.....? Hmm.

The average player probably doesn't want to teeter on the brink of death just for some damage, nor are they soloing bosses, nor are they caring about dps.  I've seen alot of players roam in duos or meet while traveling and following each other til splitting ways again.  There is many different ways to play this game, and most players aren't at the level you are. I use public games as my example each and every time as I see them true first time experience. But.... if you're playing private servers or only with friends this changes EVERYTHING players are more likely to be cooperating, have enough experience to take care of themselves, and you aren't as likely to be competing for resources either. Public games are where you can really test your mettle and the strength of your character.

[Yuuko]

7 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Not at all different things are hard for different people but that doesn't mean it's not useful I'd like to repeat when I said no offense I meant it wasn't trying to sound condescending if that's what it came off as.

What is your experience with the backstep watch?

My experience is that few attacks can be dodged on reaction.  In order to use this you must already know the kiting pattern of the enemy, so the skill requirement is at *least* the same skill as kiting.  The time it takes to use the watch is about the same as walking out to kite and going back in so you don't gain anything using the watch over kiting.  It also has its quirks like losing aggro, or the teleport putting you in a bad spot.  If you try to dodge all of dfly attacks with it you're likely to backstep right into her rage stomp.  Try using it against Ancient Guardian lol you get put underneath that guy and he gets a guaranteed double smack on you XD  not cool.

In short I'd say - if you can move to dodge its best to still do that.  If you have something niche like bishop's ranged attack, dfly's lunge, escaping bone prison etc then its amazing *for that attack*  I don't carry it with me most times because kiting is more reliable and always available.

1 minute ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

The most safe way to play Wanda is...

Why are they picking Wanda?  Are people actually picking Wanda *only* for ageless?  I don't buy it.  I don't think its a bad idea, but I don't think its something a new player would do - I also don't think its a good idea b/c if they don't know how to do basic healing they need to learn that.  Picking Wigfrid or Wanda as a crutch because they don't know basic healing isn't going to help them.

1 minute ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

The average player probably doesn't want to teeter on the brink of death just for some damage, nor are they soloing bosses, nor are they caring about dps.

Nor are they watching their health timer constantly tick down.  If they can't kill some butterflies, or pick some bluecaps, I don't see Wanda helping much either...  What they have is an "I don't know this game" problem, and its not solved by a "great if you know the game" solution.