Starmap Showing Planetoid Geyser & Biome List Just With a Telescope

[Sigmok]

I'll admit, it's useful to know exactly what Biomes and Geysers are on a Planetoid just by Discovering them but doesn't it spoil a bit of exploration?  A Telescope can learn a lot of information by viewing a Planetoids atmosphere and topography but is this taking it a bit too far?

Knowing the Biomes and Geysers at and close to the surface makes sense.  Deeper Biomes and Geysers that have no exposure to the surface I'm not so sure.  

Maybe we could get some kind of deep drilling probe for further discovery.  This would have the disadvantage of cutting through the Biomes and likely  causing a bit of a mess; I'd probably not use it just because of this.

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[Sasza22]

IMO only the guaranteed geysers should show. The RNG ones should show up as "unknown geyser".

[TuxSam123]

On 5/20/2021 at 12:38 PM, Sasza22 said:

IMO only the guaranteed geysers should show. The RNG ones should show up as "unknown geyser".

To me, the geysers shouldn't even show. The only things that should appear are the surface biomes and the planet's surface. Everything else should be labeled as unknown

[pether]

13 minutes ago, TuxSam123 said:

To me, the geysers shouldn't even show. The only things that should appear are the surface biomes and the planet's surface. Everything else should be labeled as unknown

From the logical perspective, yes, you are right.

BUT

If there are guaranteed geysers on planetoid X, it means that the information will be available somewhere. Game forums, wiki, yt guides, discord changels, etc. I see no reason to hide information that a player can find using off-game methods. That was the case with vanilla and rocket discance, before each trip I had to search internet for ONI rocket calculators to ensure I will have enough fuel for the trip. And I hated it! This kind of info should be in the game.

The same goes for geysers. If I need source of element Y and it is 100% chance it will spawn on planetoid X, I should have this information presented in-game. I don't want to pause my game, go online, search for ONI tutorial, guides and wikis to check where should I go to get X.

Exploration? Yes, it is nice. I wouldn't mind if the cluster was more random and each time I would need to explore it to know what is where - not only geysers, but also unique POI, biome compositions, animals, plants, resources, all of it. That would be cool. But now it doesn't work like this, and all predictable constants should be presented to the player

[TuxSam123]

13 minutes ago, pether said:

From the logical perspective, yes, you are right.

BUT

If there are guaranteed geysers on planetoid X, it means that the information will be available somewhere. Game forums, wiki, yt guides, discord changels, etc. I see no reason to hide information that a player can find using off-game methods. That was the case with vanilla and rocket discance, before each trip I had to search internet for ONI rocket calculators to ensure I will have enough fuel for the trip. And I hated it! This kind of info should be in the game.

The same goes for geysers. If I need source of element Y and it is 100% chance it will spawn on planetoid X, I should have this information presented in-game. I don't want to pause my game, go online, search for ONI tutorial, guides and wikis to check where should I go to get X.

Exploration? Yes, it is nice. I wouldn't mind if the cluster was more random and each time I would need to explore it to know what is where - not only geysers, but also unique POI, biome compositions, animals, plants, resources, all of it. That would be cool. But now it doesn't work like this, and all predictable constants should be presented to the player

Hmm, to address this problem, maybe we need a new building, the Planetary Analizer. It would detect planetoid composition, geysers, biomes, critters, etc. It also could be used to do the same with the new POIs.

[pether]

22 minutes ago, TuxSam123 said:

Hmm, to address this problem, maybe we need a new building, the Planetary Analizer. It would detect planetoid composition, geysers, biomes, critters, etc. It also could be used to do the same with the new POIs.

But why would somebody pay with resources and dupe work time to get information that is free on wiki? And again, if something is free on wiki, why hide this in game?

Planetary Analyzer would be a really cool building if planetoids were fully randomized. But as long there are constant, predictable things, they should be presented to the player.

Yes, this may feel odd and you may say that real world doesn't work like this. Yes. But this is just a game, and we already have given plenty information that you would't get in real life. I don't think that hiding info about guaranteed geysers would make this any better.

[TuxSam123]

1 hour ago, pether said:

But why would somebody pay with resources and dupe work time to get information that is free on wiki? And again, if something is free on wiki, why hide this in game?

Planetary Analyzer would be a really cool building if planetoids were fully randomized. But as long there are constant, predictable things, they should be presented to the player.

Yes, this may feel odd and you may say that real world doesn't work like this. Yes. But this is just a game, and we already have given plenty information that you would't get in real life. I don't think that hiding info about guaranteed geysers would make this any better.

I've got an idea to reuse this concept. Instead of a Planetary Analyser, it could be the Anomaly Analyser. It would research POIs and discover what's within them. Before you say " why would somebody pay with resources and dupe work time to get information that is free on wiki?", I believe that, POIs should be a bit randomized. Of course, one or two resources would be guaranteed. Like, the Hydrogen Cloud would have, of course, hydrogen, but it also could have one or two randomized resources.

[sakura_sk]

50 minutes ago, TuxSam123 said:

It would research POIs and discover what's within them.

So... like the base game then, where you would get fixed resources per planet but you needed to visit it with a research module in order to see the two hidden resources.

We could probably have the cartographic module collect databanks. When you "research" them (upload?) in the planetarium (you would get a menu like the base game of the POI you traveled to) and you will be given the choice to discover what other resources are hidden in the space POI using databanks.

As for geysers, yes. It would be more interesting if they were hidden until they were discovered but... I would still search the wiki (...or generate multiple new starts that I'll never play) just to see what is where most of the time.