The seasoning effect of honey and salt in the condiment is better on the contrary

[Cheggf]

5 hours ago, gghhrr said:

if looks at volt goat's history update in DST since early access, the most noticable update for volt goat is "running away when player approaching" where volt goat in DS doesn't have this mechanics previously, but once player start fighting with one of them, the other volt goats would just stand nearby and watch you murdering their family, if you take a look at No-eye-Deer, the entire herd would continue running away until further distance. No-eye-deer keep wandering around the spawning biome and takes time to search, and volt goat barely move their herd location in desert of nowhere.

How is volt goat a complete design? Beefalo, pigs and no-eye-deer have a bit normal sense of animal mind with algorithm, but what about volt goat? Great game logic you say? Nice, we should keep this on and nothing worth to be improved!

Not all animals in real life rush to protect others of their kind, you know. I'm not an animal expert so I don't know how goats would react to someone beating the crap out of them, but whether or not goats specifically would behave like that doesn't matter because these are not goats, they are volt goats. Klei could make them carnivorous hunters that cannibalize other volt goats if they wanted, because the volt goat is not a real animal.

I don't know why you're so surprised that an animal which has literal lightning rods for horns and becomes empowered instead of dying (or at least being injured) when being struck by lightning isn't acting in a way which you think is realistic.

5 hours ago, gghhrr said:

Then how is morning star not forgotten when we have hambat or darksword

Because the morning star does 72.25 damage, the dark sword 68, and the ham bat 59.5.

5 hours ago, gghhrr said:

and weather pain when we have woodie, maxwell, pigman/merm helper giants, fire or glasscutter.

Chopping down trees isn't the first thing I think of when I think of weather pain. But even if we're assuming that the weather pain is a lumberjacking tool, it would still be better than fire & glass cutter (burning trees doesn't even remove them), less annoying to handle than pigs (and probably faster but I don't know since I don't recruit pigs), and not requiring you to switch characters like Woodie, Maxwell, and Wurt.

[gghhrr]

  

37 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

That you dont use morning star doesnt mean it is forgotten.

28 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Because the morning star does 72.25 damage, the dark sword 68, and the ham bat 59.5.

Then what is the majority list of prefer weapon in DST? If Klei decide to record what weapons had been used in the accumulate time and times, I believe we can find morning star in the bottom of the list.

I don't see any reason make morning star is more efficient than any weapon, consider the barely noticable damage in certain condition, low drop rate, animal that is nearly extinct, and time effort.

37 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

weather pains are used for malbatross, CK, toad, fw and are one of the faster way to chop trees and mine petrified trees. Faster than woodie and maxwell if you want to asume the cost.

I admit weather pain is useful in AF, CK with pearl, toadstool, but only when in solo. I don't see any reason I need to use weather pain in those fight when I have 2 or 3 more buddies, even no woodie and maxwell among us.

also weather pain is only faster than woodie or maxwell X milliseconds faster, you are understimate the player and character power.

I assume you rarely hunt malbatross, nobody really want to use weather pain for malbatross.

28 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Not all animals in real life rush to protect others of their kind, you know. I'm not an animal expert so I don't know how goats would react to someone beating the crap out of them, but whether or not goats specifically would behave like that doesn't matter because these are not goats, they are volt goats. Klei could make them carnivorous hunters that cannibalize other volt goats if they wanted, because the volt goat is not a real animal.

awww... I see.. I assume you didn't read what I was talking about and making another argument, in different topic, you and I.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

13 minutes ago, gghhrr said:

Then what is the majority list of prefer weapon in DST? If Klei decide to record  what weapons had used in the accumulate time and times, I believe we can find morning star in the bottom of the list.

I don't see any reason make morning star is more efficient than any weapon, consider the damage, low drop rate, animal that is nearly extinct, and time effort.

If people dont use it is because they dont care, are noobs or whatever. Is Dark sword useless because bulk player base dont use it? 

Morning star is a situational weapon that isnt bad when the enemy is dry (+30 damage with a lot of durability) but is situational since it shines (no pun intended) when the enemy is wet so for killing worms or fighting bosses in spring and winter is the BEST weapon. It has the higher melee damage and the higher durability except for hambat which loses damage over time

13 minutes ago, gghhrr said:

admit weather pain is useful in AF, toadstool, but only when in solo. I don't see any reason I need to use weather pain in those fight when I have 2 or 3 more buddies, even no woodie and maxwell among us.

also weather pain is only faster than woodie or maxwell X milliseconds faster, you are understimate the player and character power.

If you play with others you can asume the cost for chopping and mining trees and marble. It is worth to kill goats because they drop 2 large meats lel and the horn ca be recovered

I dont think you tried to use it to chop because it totally beats max and woodie if you plant close the trees or marble

And it defeats with one use birchnuts tree guard

[gghhrr]

17 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

If people dont use it is because they dont care, are noobs or whatever. Is Dark sword useless because bulk player base dont use it?

I don't get the idea people like to assume the others are noobs in game, especially in PVE game, really don't understand what are them racing about. I never said darksword is useless, it is so powerful and I often see tons of player(including me) using it due to its low resource needed and when hambat is not preferable.

17 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

Morning star is a situational weapon that isnt bad when the enemy is dry (+30 damage with a lot of durability) but is situational since it shines (no pun intended) when the enemy is wet so for killing worms or fighting bosses in spring and winter is the BEST weapon. It has the higher melee damage and the higher durability except for hambat which loses damage over time

that's what make it one of the most forgotten weapon, 4.25 more damage than darksword in wet condition? Why would I carry that thing when one darksword or hambat could just do the job?

If you just say it's better because it has *more 4.25 damage* in *perfect condition met*, then how about not in perfect condition, we can't have the perfect condition 100% of the time even in cave, where the wetness goes down a little bit slower? It just waste my inventory slot! I would rather just ask random Warly cook for me a bundle 160 of volt goat jelly!

 

17 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

If you play with others you can asume the cost for chopping and mining trees and marble. It is worth to kill goats because they drop 2 large meats lel and the horn ca be recovered

I dont think you tried to use it to chop because it totally beats max and woodie if you plant close the trees or marble

I do being chop chop role recently, for marble part, Maxwell is definitely cheaper than weather pain, speed is noticable too.

the only thing I admire about weather pain can do is mining multiple stacks of 40 stonefruit at once, it is powerful but lag at the same time, other than that, I still don't think weather pain is that important in any other way.

[Maxposting]

33 minutes ago, gghhrr said:

I admit weather pain is useful in AF, CK with pearl, toadstool, but only when in solo.

Based.

[gghhrr]

1 minute ago, __IvoCZE__ said:

Based.

I don't see any reason I need to use weather pain in those fight when I have 2 or 3 more buddies, even no woodie and maxwell among us.

Please also include the sentence in same line, thank you

[Cheggf]

21 minutes ago, gghhrr said:

Then what is the majority list of prefer weapon in DST? If Klei decide to record what weapons had been used in the accumulate time and times, I believe we can find morning star in the bottom of the list.

That list would be really stupid because spear would be #1, and I bet #2 would only have a fraction of the usage of the spear. Most people who play games suck. Most people don't have the time or capacity to dedicate to games to become really good at them. That's true of all games, and especially true of this game. If you go to the subreddit, where most people are, you'll see a bunch of posts like "How do I survive winter?" "How do I get good food?" and other basic questions like that.

What "most people" do is not of any concern. Who cares what "most people" do when "most people" don't know what they're doing? And even if that list of weapons used across the entire playerbase mattered for some reason, that would imply that the dark sword is bad, thulecite club doesn't exist, bat bat hasn't even been added to the game yet, and strident trident has a negative existence.

Bat bat & strident trident are just as "unused" as the morning star yet you aren't complaining about them because they aren't made out of volt goats, which you are racist towards for no reason.

28 minutes ago, gghhrr said:

I don't see any reason make morning star is more efficient than any weapon, consider the barely noticable damage in certain condition, low drop rate, animal that is nearly extinct, and time effort.

Look at these TTKs on Toadstool (assuming constant hitting, no tree chopping, no dodging, no getting hit, no lag, etc):

Invulnerable ham bat: 379 seconds

8 dark swords: 332 seconds

1 morning star: 312 seconds

That's only 20 seconds saved on the dark sword, sure. But that's one morning star compared to eight dark swords. Think of the time it takes to kill ~4 volt goats vs the time it takes to kill ~27 shadows and do whatever you do to obtain 8 living logs. That is a huge time save, even ignoring the fact that the morning star is also a light source so you don't need to worry about that. Plus, the volt goat farm that you hate for no reason would get rid of the time farming volt goats entirely so the comparison would then be the time it takes to get like 4 gold vs killing ~27 shadows and obtaining 8 living logs.

And all of that is ignoring the fact that the dark sword would be draining at least 111 sanity from you while the morning star would be draining 0 sanity.

37 minutes ago, gghhrr said:

awww... I see.. I assume you didn't read what I was talking about and making another argument, in different topic, you and I.

If that's not what you meant then get your caretaker to write the comment for you so I know what you're trying to say.

[Maxposting]

7 minutes ago, gghhrr said:

I don't see any reason I need to use weather pain in those fight when I have 2 or 3 more buddies, even no woodie and maxwell among us.

Still based though, these tools have their uses even in group fights.

[gghhrr]

1 minute ago, Cheggf said:

Bat bat & strident trident are just as "unused" as the morning star yet you aren't complaining about them because they aren't made out of volt goats, which you are racist towards for no reason.

but bat bat and strident trident both have unreplacable special utility power among weapons, what about morning star? Shining? That's it? Understandable, have a great day.

3 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

That's only 20 seconds saved on the dark sword, sure. But that's one morning star compared to eight dark swords. Think of the time it takes to kill ~4 volt goats vs the time it takes to kill ~27 shadows and do whatever you do to obtain 8 living logs. That is a huge time save, even ignoring the fact that the morning star is also a light source so you don't need to worry about that. Plus, the volt goat farm that you hate for no reason would get rid of the time farming volt goats entirely so the comparison would then be the time it takes to get like 4 gold vs killing ~27 shadows and obtaining 8 living logs.

that may be true, but sxcuse me? did you include the time to find volt goat, I often see nightmarefuel flooded everywhere in ruin and surface, but I've never seen volt goat horn flooded in desert?

and very nice, you assume many noobs can't even survive in winter, or getting food but when you are talking about sanity and light being a problem *to you* with morning star

5 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

If that's not what you meant then get your caretaker to write the comment for you so I know what you're trying to say.

let me draw the important point for you, no-eye-deer

[ArubaroBeefalo]

14 minutes ago, gghhrr said:

I don't get the idea people like to assume the others are noobs in game, especially in PVE game, really don't understand what are them racing about. I never said darksword is useless, it is so powerful and I often see tons of player(including me) using it due to its low resource needed and when hambat is not preferable.

Because not knowing how to make it is one of the possible reason to dont craft it. I though it was clear but whatever

 

18 minutes ago, gghhrr said:

that's what make it one of the most forgotten weapon, 4.25 more damage than darksword in wet condition? Why would I carry that thing when one darksword or hambat could just do the job?

If you just say it's better because it has *more 4.25 damage* in *perfect condition met*, then how about not in perfect condition, we can't have the perfect condition 100% of the time even in cave, where the wetness goes down a little bit slower? It just waste my inventory slot! I would rather just ask random Warly cook for me a bundle 160 of volt goat jelly

Lel. If you want to farm moose, fight beequeen, fw or toad you will need multiple darkswords or have almost 20 less damage with a fress hambat(which wont be fresh for the entire fight) instead of just 1 morning star that will make the job faster. You are having materials, time and sanity for just that slot that seems to hurt you too much

Dont use it if you dont want but it is so useful

20 minutes ago, gghhrr said:

I do being chop chop role recently, for marble part, Maxwell is definitely cheaper than weather pain, speed is noticable too

Maxwell cant beat in speed a weather pain. With a weather pain you are chopping many trees at once since you can spam it and it chops in aoe. For a solo player might be expensive (i only use the ones that arent at 7% after a boss fight) but for players who cooperate it is cheap and saves a lot of time but, again, dont use it if you dont want

1 minute ago, gghhrr said:

and very nice, you assume many noobs can't even survive in winter, or getting food but when you are talking about sanity and light being a problem *to you* with morning star

In a boss fight you will need to farm sanity food or deal with shadows+boss instead of just the boss

Light is usefull since you can swap between lantern and morning star meanwhile you wear head protection

[gghhrr]

15 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

Maxwell cant beat in speed a weather pain. With a weather pain you are chopping many trees at once since you can spam it and it chops in aoe. For a solo player might be expensive (i only use the ones that arent at 7% after a boss fight) but for players who cooperate it is cheap and saves a lot of time but, again, dont use it if you dont want

If you say mining speed, weather pain is faster with aoe for sure, but you can barely pick the marble at the same time, you should probably watch how quick is for Maxwell with 3 or 4 minions, with action queue reborn(I must say thanks to the mod creator), you could just ignore the entire process.

I should consider time to craft and cast deconstrcution staff as well

so considering the works, for other characters, you are right, but I don't see weather pain is better than Maxwell.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, gghhrr said:

If you say mining speed, weather pain is faster with aoe for sure, but you can barely pick the marble at the same time, you should probably watch how quick is for Maxwell with 3 or 4 minions, with action queue reborn(I must say thanks to the mod creator), you could just ignore the entire process

so considering the works, for other characters, you are right, but I don't see weather pain is better than Maxwell.

Wurt is better than maxwell and she cant compete with a weather pain

Sure, you need to pick the marble but with maxwell and wurt you need to wait until is mined meanwhile with the weather pain you just spam it and you can start picking since the tornadoes do it instanly