psusi Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 The ice maker only takes 60 watts and it freezes water into ice. The refrigerator just has to keep the food cool, which is a lot easier, but it takes 120 watts. WTF Klei? How about cutting the fridge down to 60 too eh? 120 watts that is constantly on is way too much power for a fridge, especially when you can just put the food crate in a CO2 pit for no power. Hrm... then again, can you cycle the fridge with automation? Once the food is cold, will it stay cold for a while if you cut the power to the fridge and only turn it back on every now and then? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunazone Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 The fridge can technically cool significantly more mass than the ice-maker. That's the only reason I can really think of. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 58 minutes ago, Squeegee said: The fridge can technically cool significantly more mass than the ice-maker. That's the only reason I can really think of. Yea, but it isn't cooling it and spitting it out then cooling more. It just has to *stay* cold inside. Unless it stops drawing the power once it gets cold enough, but I don't think it does that. I wonder though if you could use a timer to cycle the power on and off and the food would stay cold for a while while it is off? But I think it isn't actually the cold temperature that prevents the food from going bad, but simply having the fridge powered on. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SL33PW4LK Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Welcome to "Energy Not Included" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 The fridge can technically cool significantly more mass than the ice-maker. Is that really true? The ice maker pumps out ~3kDTUs worth of cooling, while the fridge only reaches 500DTUs. The ice maker can clearly deliver more cooling, assuming it goes in the right places. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, bobucles said: Is that really true? The ice maker pumps out ~3kDTUs worth of cooling, while the fridge only reaches 500DTUs. The ice maker can clearly deliver more cooling, assuming it goes in the right places. That's because the ice maker is actually pumping the heat from the water inside to the outside ( -20% ). The fridge just has a fixed heat production no matter what is inside it. The food inside does say it gets cold, but I'm pretty sure that's a totally unnecessary and useless side effect that is only there for immersion sake. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 29 minutes ago, psusi said: The food inside does say it gets cold, but I'm pretty sure that's a totally unnecessary and useless side effect that is only there for immersion sake. Pretty sure huh? From my observations cooling power of refrigerator is ~6.5 kDTU/s. Ice maker has 8.8 kDTU/s but it also generates a lot of heat in its vicinity, while refrigerator outputs constant 0.5 kDTU/s. You can put and remove things from refrigetator and use them on rails for a cooling effect. Not the most efficient way but still I wouldn't call it useless. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Angpaur said: Pretty sure huh? From my observations cooling power of refrigerator is ~6.5 kDTU/s. Ice maker has 8.8 kDTU/s but it also generates a lot of heat in its vicinity, while refrigerator outputs constant 0.5 kDTU/s. You can put and remove things from refrigetator and use them on rails for a cooling effect. Not the most efficient way but still I wouldn't call it useless. You've actually tried adding a small amount of food and then a large amount of food and seeing how long it takes each to cool down? I would bet it takes the same time either way. Why do you say the ice maker can cool at 8.8 kDTU's? AFAICS, it it pumps out 16 kDTU/s while removing 20% more than that from the water inside, giving you a net cooling of 3.2 kDTU/s. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Im basing my info about ice makers on this site: https://oni-db.com/details/icemachine I checked the maximum of 100kg stored in refrigerator and I waited 60s and checked how much temperature dropped. it was around 1.15C It doesn't take same time to cool down small and large amout. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 35 minutes ago, Angpaur said: Im basing my info about ice makers on this site: https://oni-db.com/details/icemachine They seem to have a math error. 881.15 kDTU removed over 220.29 seconds is 4 kDTU/s not 8.8. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Yeah. I looked up code, on the site, calculating ice maker Heat Removed/sec and seems like it doesn't include the value of Time to freeze variable. Steam turbine calculator works there well so I trusted that this one is fine too. But as you can see refrigerators can be an alternative to ice makers. But if there are aquatuners then who would want to use either of both... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 45 minutes ago, Angpaur said: But as you can see refrigerators can be an alternative to ice makers. But if there are aquatuners then who would want to use either of both... Yea, especially since the refrigerators require tons and tons of food and sweepers and rails. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1286986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJCB Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The “refrigerator” is in reallity a 4° C stabilluzer, it will cool or heat it’s contents until 4C. In Rime turning it off may be good. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113841-ice-maker-vs-refrigerator-power-use/#findComment-1287206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.
Please be aware that the content of this thread may be outdated and no longer applicable.