Help! How to clean food poisoning germs in reservoir with chlorine?

[KitGlom]

Exactly what it says on the title, I made a simple room to hold my water that went through the sieve after going out from the toilets. But even though the room is in chlorine, the germs in the water don't seem to be dying off. What am I doing wrong? I've looked at some other examples of how to clean food poisoning with reservoir and chlorine but all of them are complicated and use a lot of automaton. Is there no simple method for it??

[Nightinggale]

If you have CO2 at the bottom, the reservoirs act like they aren't in chlorine. Make sure you have no CO2 in the chlorine room and it should work.

[Saturnus]

There's an old saying: "All beginning is hard".

Automation isn't complicated once you start using it, and getting familiar with how it works.

Firstly though. It doesn't look like your room is only chlorine. It looks like you have both CO2 and hydrogen in there as well. You need to get rid of that so there's only chlorine in the room.

Secondly. You need something that stops the flow, and keeps the water in the reservoirs in order to kill the germs. If the water just runs straight through the reservoirs have no effect.

I made a set up a while ago that at first glance looks complicated but when you see how it works, it's actually very simple.

 

[Nightinggale]

1 minute ago, Saturnus said:

You need something that stops the flow, and keeps the water in the reservoirs in order to kill the germs. If the water just runs straight through the reservoirs have no effect.

Yeah, that's the next issue. It takes a cycle to get rid of all germs. There are multiple ways to stall water for a cycle, 2* half a cycle or whatever the specific setup requires.

[KitGlom]

48 minutes ago, Nightinggale said:

If you have CO2 at the bottom, the reservoirs act like they aren't in chlorine. Make sure you have no CO2 in the chlorine room and it should work.

Thank you! This was the problem. It works great now

40 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

There's an old saying: "All beginning is hard".

Automation isn't complicated once you start using it, and getting familiar with how it works.

Firstly though. It doesn't look like your room is only chlorine. It looks like you have both CO2 and hydrogen in there as well. You need to get rid of that so there's only chlorine in the room.

Secondly. You need something that stops the flow, and keeps the water in the reservoirs in order to kill the germs. If the water just runs straight through the reservoirs have no effect.

I made a set up a while ago that at first glance looks complicated but when you see how it works, it's actually very simple.

 

I appreciate you trying to help me! That's definitely an issue I will face. But when I saw your thread this is my face:

I haven't touched automaton before except for smart batteries, and I don't think I won't. But I kind of get your idea, with the clock sensor connected to the water valve. I'll experiment with that, thank you!

[Nightinggale]

4 minutes ago, KitGlom said:

I haven't touched automaton before except for smart batteries, and I don't think I won't. But I kind of get your idea, with the clock sensor connected to the water valve. I'll experiment with that, thank you!

Way too many people haven't discovered how useful automation can be. Sure there are some advanced setups on the forum, but most automation is actually fairly easy. Activate gas pump is pressure is above 300 g to avoid wasting power pumping near vacuum. Same with liquid pumps. Temperature sensors can stop buildings before overheating. There are plenty of useful automation setups, which is just one sensor and one building.

I think the game needs some proper automation introduction. There is no proper ingame guide and when people look at the forum, youtube etc, people brag about their super advanced setups. Alternative there are youtube videos going through the sensors, but from what I have seen those videos are weak on why you would want to use the sensors.

We should start a wiki section on commonly used simple automation setups. As much as I would love to help people get started, I fear I'm not the right person to do so. I mean I'm on a level where I mass produce sensors for mods. How am I to know what the problems are for people who can't figure out how to get started?

[Saturnus]

I have a series on automation tips. I'll shamelessly plug it here.

 

 

[Nightinggale]

14 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

I have a series on automation tips. I'll shamelessly plug it here.

Interesting tips, but they are far from "getting started" level.

[JackOverkill]

2 hours ago, Saturnus said:

can you explain how this works ? . is it keep the water tank in chlorine and it will slowly kill germ ?

 

 

[Saturnus]

Just being in clean water kills germs. Very slowly. Being in a reservoir in chlorine kills a fixed percentage per second. Practically no matter how polluted water is before sieving it'll be germ free after sitting in a reservoir for half a cycle. But just a quarter of a cycle is enough to kill 99.99% of the germs. And then let the rest of the germs, if any, die in the piping after the reservoirs. That's what my set up does.

It takes the output from the sieve (5kg/s flow rate). Fill one reservoir for half a cycle. Then switch to the other reservoir and fills that for half a cycle.

The output of the reservoir are enabled (10kg/s flow rate) for one-quarter of a cycle after the water have sat in a reservoir without being filled with new germy water for a quarter of a cycle.

This creates a continuous flow rate of 5kg/s clean and germ free water. Technically, it's not completely germ free at maximum flow rate but close enough (single digit or very low double digit germ count per 10kg) that any remaining germs will die off in the pipes.

If the flow rate is lower than the maximum 5kg/s from the sieve then, like 4.8kg/s, then the set up will output completely germ free water after a couple of cycles.

[Nightinggale]

19 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

It takes the output from the sieve (5kg/s flow rate).

I usually put it the other way around, cleaning germs in polluted water and then run it through a water sieve. The reason is that the sieve will transfer the germs from input to output and that goes for both solid and liquid output. This means a water sieve only dealing with germ free water will produce germ free polluted dirt.

Another thing to note here is that 5 kg/s on average around the clock is actually a whole lot of water. Sure you can reach that if you decide to drain a lake, but 5 kg/s is usually way more cleaning than you need for continuous operation. Also if you for some weird reason have a need for more than 5 kg/s, you can always set up 2 cleaning stations in parallel and clean 10 kg/s.

[Saturnus]

24 minutes ago, Nightinggale said:

I usually put it the other way around, cleaning germs in polluted water and then run it through a water sieve. The reason is that the sieve will transfer the germs from input to output and that goes for both solid and liquid output. This means a water sieve only dealing with germ free water will produce germ free polluted dirt.

I put the sieve in the same chlorine room usually. Then connecting the conveyor loader for the polluted dirt to only be on for a quarter of each cycle by connecting to either of the automations for the doors in my previous example. That means the polluted dirt is guaranteed germ free as well.

Here's a typical set up of mine in a survival game combined with an infinite water storage for the polluted water geyser, and aquatuner to cool the cleaned water. The third reservoir here is part of the aquatuner cooling loop.

 

[DemainaNyx]

What I've noticed is you need at least 3 reservoirs in chlorine to effectively clean all food poisoning germs from a single sieve setup without using automation. If you are using 2 sieves, it might require more.

My polluted water infinite storage tank has 16 mill germs, once it gets into the first reservoir it's consistently 100K germs, second reservoir is 300 germs, last reservoir is 0 germs.  You can probably get away with 2, but I would rather just use the extra tank and know for certain that it is clean of germs before sending that water else where.  The last thing you want is that "clean" water tank having 1 germ floating around in it that gets into your food or something.

[Nightinggale]

3 minutes ago, DemainaNyx said:

What I've noticed is you need at least 3 reservoirs in chlorine to effectively clean all food poisoning germs from a single sieve setup without using automation. If you are using 2 sieves, it might require more.

My polluted water infinite storage tank has 16 mill germs, once it gets into the first reservoir it's consistently 100K germs, second reservoir is 300 germs, last reservoir is 0 germs.  You can probably get away with 2, but I would rather just use the extra tank and know for certain that it is clean of germs before sending that water else where.  The last thing you want is that "clean" water tank having 1 germ floating around in it that gets into your food or something.

It's a known approach and it relies on the fact that releasing 1% of the liquid will release 1% of the germs. If you lower the germ count enough, then 10 kg of the contents will be rounded to 0 germs, leaving the rest in storage.

How do you ensure that the tanks won't drain and become empty?

[DemainaNyx]

2 minutes ago, Nightinggale said:

It's a known approach and it relies on the fact that releasing 1% of the liquid will release 1% of the germs. If you lower the germ count enough, then 10 kg of the contents will be rounded to 0 germs, leaving the rest in storage.

How do you ensure that the tanks won't drain and become empty?

My setup is attached to my bathroom loop, so that ensures it's always filling early game.  I also have an infinite storage tank to pull from that I dump all sources of polluted water into, so that helps late game.  Since I only use one sieve, it will only draw out 5kg and I have a pump always putting in 10Kg, so it makes sure that so long as there is water in my storage tank, then I should be good.

[Neotuck]

22 minutes ago, DemainaNyx said:

My setup is attached to my bathroom loop, so that ensures it's always filling early game.  I also have an infinite storage tank to pull from that I dump all sources of polluted water into, so that helps late game.  Since I only use one sieve, it will only draw out 5kg and I have a pump always putting in 10Kg, so it makes sure that so long as there is water in my storage tank, then I should be good.

This sounds interesting, can you share a screenshot?

[DemainaNyx]

19 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

This sounds interesting, can you share a screenshot?

I mean, there's not a lot to it but sure.  More images in spoilers.

In this save I had 4 polluted reservoirs and 3 clean ones in my chlorine room, but the clean ones are not necessary.  It's nice having the extra clean reservoirs if you use the clean water for things besides just bathrooms because you need time for the single sieve to replenish the water used, but they don't need to be in the chlorine room.

Polluted water geyser piped directly into my bathroom loop right before storage tank.  If the line is full, it's dumped into the storage tank, if not water is pulled from bathrooms/geyser first before being pumped from storage.

 

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Overall look

Pipe layout - Pardon the Spaghetti

Overall Germs

No automation for the reservoirs or sieve, just basic functionality

Germs per reservoir