Stop holding our hands Valve

[dotsnake]

I was trying to register on a random website and I was required to enter an 15 long password with 1 capital letter, 1 number, a symbol, and none of the letters must be repeated. 

 

Now I tried to trade on steam and I am required to validate it via email? why?! What do you think?

 

for me, this is would go under my top 5 pet peeves, maybe top 3 even. 

 

 

[Snob]

Simple solution: save your complicated passwords via text programs. If you'd rather complain about your problems, please continue.

[Auth]

I was trying to register on a random website and I was required to enter an 15 long password with 1 capital letter, 1 number, a symbol, and none of the letters must be repeated. 

 

Now I tried to trade on steam and I am required to validate it via email? why?! What do you think?

 

for me, this is would go under my top 5 pet peeves, maybe top 3 even. 

 

 

You can always disable steamguard and let hackers walk on into your account.

[XxTheGentleManScientistxX]

I was trying to register on a random website and I was required to enter an 15 long password with 1 capital letter, 1 number, a symbol, and none of the letters must be repeated. 

 

Now I tried to trade on steam and I am required to validate it via email? why?! What do you think?

 

for me, this is would go under my top 5 pet peeves, maybe top 3 even. 

I agree, this is SO ANNOYING!

I think passwords should not be like that, it should be optional.

If a hacker wants to get into your account, they don't need the password if they want to get in that bad... (if a hacker wants to get in that bad .. .  your already screwed.)

 

 

However passwords should be not like this "12345" or "password"

I think the registration should say something like...

"This is really weak...Why not try to make something stronger."

"Its medium, but try more symbols."

"Its strong...you da man."

 

 

I hate new password requirements these days. Let people pick what they want. I love you for trying to help, valve, but I can handle this.

[XxTheGentleManScientistxX]

Simple solution: save your complicated passwords via text programs. If you'd rather complain about your problems, please continue.

ru-hude.

[Snob]

ru-hude.

Thanks for pointing that out instead of letting this topic dissolve into obscurity.

EDIT: Hopefully this is the last post of this thread. If you'd rather spend hours trying to retrieve your hacked account rather than to spend a few minutes memorizing your password, have fun.

[tetrified]

Thanks for pointing that out instead of letting this topic dissolve into obscurity.

EDIT: Hopefully this is the last post of this thread. If you'd rather spend hours trying to retrieve your hacked account rather than to spend a few minutes memorizing your password, have fun.

 

The thing is symbols and numbers don't affect your password strength anywhere near as much as people think. This myth has caused people to start progressing to passwords that are hard for people to remember, but easy for computers to hack into.

 

see:

[Snob]

The thing is symbols and numbers don't affect your password strength anywhere near as much as people think. This myth has caused people to start progressing to passwords that are hard for people to remember, but easy for computers to hack into.

Good to know. Thank you for sharing this tidbit.

 

I'll take advice over whining on any day. 

[tetrified]

Good to know. Thank you for sharing this tidbit.

 

I'll take advice over whining on any day. 

 

point being, the whining makes sense. Passwords have migrated to easy to crack, hard to remember passwords, due to the "capital letter+ lowercase letter+ symbol + number" thing that so many websites are doing nowadays

[XxTheGentleManScientistxX]

Thanks for pointing that out instead of letting this topic dissolve into obscurity.

EDIT: Hopefully this is the last post of this thread. If you'd rather spend hours trying to retrieve your hacked account rather than to spend a few minutes memorizing your password, have fun.

In one sense you are right.

But in the other you are wrong.

 

 

Its an opinion I guess.

I think passwords should be able to be whatever they want.

You think the hackers want to find every account with weak passwords.

Its fine.

Your safe

We are "Not"

 

 

Honestly i'm imperceptibly tumultuous, and I have no real idea why.

 

Maybe its from you saying accounts will be hacked when people have weak passwords.

 

 

Which is slightly true, might I add.

 

But to have a sight with a password that is free, gives the user more freedom to come up with a password similar to what they want.

But of course I think it should be up to the person if they want a strong password. Let the person who has an account personalize, and give refuge for their own account. If a hacker wants your password that bad than the person of course must have a password strong enough to withstand hacking. I have no real idea how hacking works, but I do know symbols help.

But if a person does not want the symbols or caps. It is up to them. It is THERE account, not the site admins.

 

 

The person is not driveling, but boasting a lucid quandary.

 

 

In my solid opinion, it should be up to the person. If you want a strong un-breakable password, fine. 

If he does not that it should be fine. Sites should not make a person make a strong password, if they want them to make an account, they should make it theirs. Not to any restriction.

 

 

Sites should have free will.

 

 

You want a strong passwords. He wants freedom to make what he wants.

You call him lazy, but freedom to make what you want could boast for some pretty complex patterns of passwords.

If you are hacked,which doesn't happen to everyone with weak passwords, it is your responsablity, and the admins. The admins do try to help, which is nice. I wish to thank all our admins. 

 

Hackers can get to accounts in other ways. Who knows, their creative. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes I will have fun. I will, like I have everyday on sites I have, using weak passwords. I will have very much fun indeed.

[XxTheGentleManScientistxX]

Good to know. Thank you for sharing this tidbit.

 

I'll take advice over whining on any day. 

Also might I add.

 

When calling someone else out on whining, it is good to say valid reasons why, other than your same point over and over again. Which would be valid, if it wouldn't have been so scarce of occurrence. He didn't even whine that much, over only one post, and you have insulted this person maybe two or three times. That is no way to treat a person. 

You didn't use facts in treating the situation.

 

In its self you were whining over this person. Even if this person is totally wrong. Use facts, or some site links to back it up. Maybe even the personal experience of others. I know of at least two people who were hacked right now. Maybe bringing up those points would feed your side. Insulting would make you seem mean. Which you are being right now.

Don't insult the thread maker for making a point in which you do not agree with, guide them, tell them. It is easier to get to a person without being tight-fisted.

[XxTheGentleManScientistxX]

Also might I add.

 

When calling someone else out on whining, it is good to say valid reasons why, other than your same point over and over again. Which would be valid, if it wouldn't have been so scarce of occurrence. He didn't even whine that much, over only one post, and you have insulted this person maybe two or three times. That is no way to treat a person. 

You didn't use facts in treating the situation.

 

In its self you were whining over this person. Even if this person is totally wrong. Use facts, or some site links to back it up. Maybe even the personal experience of others. I know of at least two people who were hacked right now. Maybe bringing up those points would feed your side. Insulting would make you seem mean. Which you are being right now.

Don't insult the thread maker for making a point in which you do not agree with, guide them, tell them. It is easier to get to a person without being tight-fisted.

And of course the other person did not use facts as well, which is why I stress the point of guiding them and not insulting. If you think you know more than a person does, than say your point and move on.

[tetrified]

Hackers can get to accounts in other ways. Who knows, their creative.

 

I'd just like to point out something that goes along with this -

 

Nobody has been "hacked" by a bot that goes through and checks every possible password in ages, meaning "secure passwords", even as a concept, are out of date (for several reasons, all of which I can get into later if someone wants me to). Nowadays it's easier for a hacker to target sites that have low security in general and get into their databases, and then try those usernames/passwords on other sites, or attack their target site first, gaining access to every username/password combination, completely regardless of your password being "so secure" because it looks like an md5 hash and took you an hour to memorize.

 

EDIT:

also, you know you can edit your posts, right?

Instead of posting three times?

[XxTheGentleManScientistxX]

I'd just like to point out something that goes along with this -

 

Nobody has been "hacked" by a bot that goes through and checks every possible password in ages, meaning "secure passwords", even as a concept, are out of date (for several reasons, all of which I can get into later if someone wants me to). Nowadays it's easier for a hacker to target sites that have low security in general and get into their databases, and then try those usernames/passwords on other sites, or attack their target site first, gaining access to every username/password combination, completely regardless of your password being "so secure" because it looks like an md5 hash and took you an hour to memorize.

 

EDIT:

also, you know you can edit your posts, right?

Instead of posting three times?

With your point I agree with it! Thank you for pointing that out.

 

 

My posts were about three different things.

1st about the internet hacking and passwords.

2nd Calling snob rude.

3. saying to guide the person

 

 

But that is not the point.

 

Honestly if I am still productive in the conversation...

 

even if you were a little rude.

 

 

Anyways I think you are right. 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: oh so so lazy, what is done is done.

[tetrified]

With your point I agree with it! Thank you for pointing that out.

 

 

My posts were about three different things.

1st about the internet hacking and passwords.

2nd Calling snob rude.

3. saying to guide the person

 

 

But that is not the point.

 

Honestly if I am still productive in the conversation...

 

even if you were a little rude.

 

 

Anyways I think you are right. 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: oh so so lazy, what is done is done.

 

I usually attempt to compact all of my points into one post if I can, it's more of a personal choice than anything, I suppose.

 

[XxTheGentleManScientistxX]

I usually attempt to compact all of my points into one post if I can, it's more of a personal choice than anything, I suppose.

 

I perfer to make my posts in longer, so it explains all points throughly so nothing is missed. It must take great wording skills to make points like you do.

[Snob]

tl;dr 

[Halved]

...

I ship you two

[XxTheGentleManScientistxX]

tl;dr 

wow.

Alright Im finished with this bullcrap.

[Auth]

wow.

Alright Im finished with this bullcrap.

 

 

You're the one that's making the bullcrap points.

[XxTheGentleManScientistxX]

You're the one that's making the bullcrap points.

Most of the time you would be right, but I guess its a opinion of which is more bullcrap.

 

Snob not reading the long paragrabh and just calling the guy whining and not making points that much.

or me making a long paragraph explaining on how not to insult people but to guide them...

 

 

but whatever floats your boat bro/bra. (or any other adjective you go by...(not trying to be offensive of that nature...))

[Auth]

Most of the time you would be right, but I guess its a opinion of which is more bullcrap.

 

Snob not reading the long paragrabh and just calling the guy whining and not making points that much.

or me making a long paragraph explaining on how not to insult people but to guide them... 

 

 

but whatever floats your boat bro/bra. (or any other adjective you go by...(not trying to be offensive of that nature...))

 

snob has snob in his name. besides, this isnt something you guide people on, its a "Suck it up or disable it, allowing hackers to get in"

 

and while you may think thats fine, steam is having a mortifying amount of hackers right now, where they forward a deadly .scr file to everyone on your friends list. And if you think your account is safe, IT ISNT. only unless you have steamguard enabled, the hacker bots will just pick you (sometimes more than once) to perform this trick, and some bits are known to hollow out your entire inventory, for every game.

 

So there, now you know why disabling steam guard is a bad idea. 

[XxTheGentleManScientistxX]

snob has snob in his name. besides, this isnt something you guide people on, its a "Suck it up or disable it, allowing hackers to get in"

 

and while you may think thats fine, steam is having a mortifying amount of hackers right now, where they forward a deadly .scr file to everyone on your friends list. And if you think your account is safe, IT ISNT. only unless you have steamguard enabled, the hacker bots will just pick you (sometimes more than once) to perform this trick, and some bits are known to hollow out your entire inventory, for every game.

 

So there, now you know why disabling steam guard is a bad idea. 

My name is XxTheGentleManScientistxX but that does not mean that I am a gentleman, or a man.

 

 

I don't think its fine. I think that people should have the free will of passwords. Steam guard is but a small part of password. It also has a email address contacts, a special code, and then its your password.

 

I never said that steam-guard should be deactivated.... I simply said that passwords should be free to be whatever they want. As said by someone symbols are hard to guess by people, but easy for computers.

 

Steamguard works by email as well. I

 

Lets just say a hacker has your username and password.

Because you had a "Weak" password.

Than they would need your email, and email password.

Than they would need the secret code in order to use steam-guard.

 

 

Which is why I DO recommend having a different password for your email and steam.

 

 

But I never said anything about not having steam-guard.

 

(Of course, its sad when the Admins of a HUGE website can't crack down on more hackers, and instead of dealing with it they just make it to where they have to have a "security system". but thats beside the point...)

 

 

Anyways . . . What I meant on guide people is...

Instead of whining and calling other people whiny , he could say, "this is why it is there" or "Hackers are very creative..." 

But noooooo. 

Even when he did say hackers could get in, he repeatedly insulted, which is not a way to get to someone.

 

As I said, guide them and tell the person why.

 

So there, I didn't say you should ever disable steamguard.

[Auth]

My name is XxTheGentleManScientistxX but that does not mean that I am a gentleman, or a man.

 

 

I don't think its fine. I think that people should have the free will of passwords. Steam guard is but a small part of password. It also has a email address contacts, a special code, and then its your password.

 

I never said that steam-guard should be deactivated.... I simply said that passwords should be free to be whatever they want. As said by someone symbols are hard to guess by people, but easy for computers.

 

Steamguard works by email as well. I

 

Lets just say a hacker has your username and password.

Because you had a "Weak" password.

Than they would need your email, and email password.

Than they would need the secret code in order to use steam-guard.

 

 

Which is why I DO recommend having a different password for your email and steam.

 

 

But I never said anything about not having steam-guard.

 

(Of course, its sad when the Admins of a HUGE website can't crack down on more hackers, and instead of dealing with it they just make it to where they have to have a "security system". but thats beside the point...)

 

 

Anyways . . . What I meant on guide people is...

Instead of whining and calling other people whiny , he could say, "this is why it is there" or "Hackers are very creative..." 

But noooooo. 

Even when he did say hackers could get in, he repeatedly insulted, which is not a way to get to someone.

 

As I said, guide them and tell the person why.

 

So there, I didn't say you should ever disable steamguard.

 

 

i dont think you understand what im trying to say completely, but you do raise some good points to support your arguement, so i give you props for that.

[Palpetinus]

The way a program cracks a password is that it first goes through a-z including numbers and symbols, as well as capitals.

Then it goes through a-z with two characters, every possible combination. So, aa ab ac to az and then starts again with ba bb bc. Which means for every single letter added you multiply the work a program has to do. Meaning, "I Have Pooped My Pants" would be a far better password than "AbCd195#+/"