DaveSatx Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I haven't had a tile fail is sooooo long I got a bit arrogant.. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSatx Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 it was abyssalite too. *sigh* Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1110824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 How did that happen from so little water? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1110861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suicide commando Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Pressure... the gas in the room above it probably has quite a bit of pressure behind it, which then goes into the petrol, which then crushes the walls. I'm not sure how the math about it exactly checks out, but while walls can hold tons and tons of liquid under 'normal' circumstances, as soon as your liquid comes under pressure, ie there is more liquid in a single tile than normal, it gets very antsy about cracking walls up to get more space. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1110909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSatx Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 its not water. thats petroleum. it broke an abys tile. petroleum seems to like to hang out around 736kg/tile, i'm guessing it broke when it got past 999. needless to say I restructured :)' Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1111038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 16 hours ago, DaveSatx said: I haven't had a tile fail is sooooo long I got a bit arrogant.. Yup. Seems about normal. Don't use natural tiles for any pressurized reservoirs, ever. Not even abyssalite. Once they reach about 20% above the natural resting pressure of the liquid, they'll try to damage tiles around them. Natural tiles are surprisingly weak, even ones that should be unbreakable. I've seen pressurized oil pockets burst a 2-wide abyssalite layer into the lava zone, that was a fun mess. The best tile material to use is granite. It's the hardest natural material available that normal tiles can be built from. You can build massive reservoirs out of one tile thickness of this material, and it'll hold. The other method is to use three tile thickness of any material, which is guaranteed to hold the pressure of any liquid, no matter what the tile material. Check this out, notice anything odd? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1111181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 13 hours ago, suicide commando said: Pressure... the gas in the room above it probably has quite a bit of pressure behind it, which then goes into the petrol, which then crushes the walls. The game doesn't have a concept of pressure, let alone transmission of it through an uncompressable liquid. It only has the concept of how much fluid is in a tile. It sounds like tiles break when you get more than the normal 1000 kg of liquid per tile, but I don't see how that would have happened in this picture. 8 hours ago, DaveSatx said: its not water. thats petroleum. it broke an abys tile. petroleum seems to like to hang out around 736kg/tile, i'm guessing it broke when it got past 999. All liquids max at 1000 kg unless you have a door compressor or something to force it tighter, but I don't see anything like that in your picture. Just now, crypticorb said: Natural tiles are surprisingly weak, even ones that should be unbreakable. I've seen pressurized oil pockets burst a 2-wide abyssalite layer into the lava zone, that was a fun mess. That's funny... I've never seen overpressurized oil pockets "bust out". 2 minutes ago, crypticorb said: The other method is to use three tile thickness of any material, which is guaranteed to hold the pressure of any liquid, no matter what the tile material. Ahh, maybe that's why. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1111182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, psusi said: All liquids max at 1000 kg unless you have a door compressor or something to force it tighter, but I don't see anything like that in your picture. Not accurate, only water and polluted water naturally sit at 1000kg/m3. Crude oil, petroleum, and naptha naturally rest at 840kg/m3, magma sits at 1840kg/m3. I don't know the resting density of most other liquids, haven't paid much attention to that bit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1111184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 minute ago, crypticorb said: Crude oil, petroleum, and naptha naturally rest at 840kg/m3, magma sits at 1840kg/m3. I don't know the resting density of most other liquids, haven't paid much attention to that bit. That's weird... I wonder why that is, and why I hadn't noticed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1111186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suicide commando Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 @psusi It can definitely happen. Pressure is a thing for liquids. If by any means you put more liquid in a tile than is possible, there are chances it will burst out through some part of the area around it. As crypticorb mentioned, the amounts for each liquid vary, but they all have this threshold, and they all cannot pierce through 3 layers, but they can through 2. I've seen this happen quite a few times, especially when digging in the oil biome, a lot of those pockets are under pressure and will destroy the tiles around them if given the chance, or will burst forth in a spew of crude oil if dug open. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1111191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, suicide commando said: Pressure is a thing for liquids Like I said, it isn't pressure; it's just how much mass per tile there is. If you build a U shaped tube and fill it with liquid, and vacuum out the air from one side, and put 20kg of gass pressure on the other, it won't force the liquid to move through the U and out the other side. Yes, liquids try to spread out to maintain a certain density, but gas can't squeeze it down. Once the liquid vent was covered with petrol it would have stopped working, so how did the liquid become super dense? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1111196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, psusi said: Once the liquid vent was covered with petrol it would have stopped working, so how did the liquid become super dense? What likely happened was the liquid in the pressure vessel above forced all the gas up to the top. This would create a layer of gas with the topmost layer of petroleum directly below it. Since petroleums natural resting pressure is 840kg, and the liquid vent won't overpressurize until 1000kg/m3, it can continue to build pressure. The liquid vent will overpressurize at 1000kg/m3, but this won't happen until the gas has been completely compressed to one tile per gas, and the petroleum has built up more than enough pressure to burst a weak vessel. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1111206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSatx Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 hours ago, crypticorb said: What likely happened was the liquid in the pressure vessel above forced all the gas up to the top. This would create a layer of gas with the topmost layer of petroleum directly below it. Since petroleums natural resting pressure is 840kg, and the liquid vent won't overpressurize until 1000kg/m3, it can continue to build pressure. The liquid vent will overpressurize at 1000kg/m3, but this won't happen until the gas has been completely compressed to one tile per gas, and the petroleum has built up more than enough pressure to burst a weak vessel. this is what I figured. Lesson learned and some simple automation fixed the problem. When I built it I somewhat naively expected pressure to stop the pipe in time - lol. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1111337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Oh now that seems really fubar. So you can put a liquid vent at the bottom of a tank and it will keep pumping in oil because it is looking for 1000 kg, which is full for water, but not for oil? That seems like a bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1111384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSatx Posted November 9, 2018 Author Share Posted November 9, 2018 On the topic of bugs, is airflow tile still unbreakable? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1112536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, DaveSatx said: On the topic of bugs, is airflow tile still unbreakable? Yes, but not because of the tile strength. Airflow tiles take on the properties of the gas they contain, just like mesh tiles. Since only gas is allowed inside the tile, and the fluid contained by the airflow tiles cannot displace the gas, it doesn't even check if the tile is strong enough to hold it. This is based off the one-element-per-tile rule, so I doubt it will ever change. Doors are also unbreakable, but I'm not sure if they're immune to pressure damage for the same reason. Bunker tiles are not immune to pressure damage, but they can withstand pressure up to about 20,000kg/m3, which is an incredibly high tolerance. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98103-lol-when-you-get-a-bit-arrogant-about-tile-strength/#findComment-1112549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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