Madbro Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Hello, greatest developers and players! (•ω•) I think I have a way to produce oxygen out of carbon dioxide. But it needs some new stuff. And for avoiding misunderstanding I will also provide the scientific chemical equations. Firstly, use sodium (possibly obtained from electrolysis of salt) to displace carbon in carbon dioxide. Sodium oxide and carbon are formed upon reaction. May be use a brand new Sodium Carbon-Skimmer to do this. [ CO2 + 4Na => C + 2 Na2O ] with energy provided Then use a new Industrial Electrolyser to turn sodium oxide back to sodium and oxygen! [ Na2O => 2Na + O ] by electrolysis That’s the way to do it. (•ω•)/ Comment please! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternetGuy Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 We need salt :3 I think it would be a nice upgrade for the carbon skimmer and provide the electrolyzers with more use to recycle these stuff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morse Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 It mostly duplicates the production chain that there is now already. That being said, I actually do not like the current carbon skimmers. CO2 + water = sparkling water, which is good for lemonade, and is not in any way anything like a polluted water. So I like the idea of changing it, but introducing the whole new chemical element just for that is strange. Both hydrogen and chlorine are underused right now, so maybe there is some interesting not-so-fictious chemical process that can use them? That'd be interesting. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madbro Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, Morse said: So I like the idea of changing it, but introducing the whole new chemical element just for that is strange. I have heard about many players want salt water and sodium chlorine added in the game. But you may be right, I think this new skimmer should be contributed after there is some update featuring aquatic stuff. 45 minutes ago, Morse said: So maybe there is some interesting not-so-fictious chemical process that can use them? That'd be interesting. May be hydrochloric acid? I can’t suggest an use, except you can throw trash in it? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.L.S. Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Better would be this: CO2 + 4H2 = CH4 + 2H2O, then electrolyze water to O2 and H2, and recycle H2 again. In this reaction you spend only H2, and getting some methane as byproduct, it is low temperature reaction so most energy you will spend on electrolysis water. But could be exploits because in game generators dont use oxygen, so you can "for free" burn methane in natural gas generator and get enough power to make this process self sufficient or even with positive energy output. Burning methane will give you extra water and CO2... Ah yes, all required substances already exist in game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternetGuy Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, D.L.S. said: Better would be this: CO2 + 4H2 = CH4 + 2H2O, then electrolyze water to O2 and H2, and recycle H2 again. I don't think that chemical reaction exist in real life at all. I'd buy having the CO2 react with steam to produce CO and H2 and having it react with H2 to make methanol or methane but this feels it needs help from micro organisms in a reactor. It would be a cool idea to have the player cultivate slimelung bacteria for example to do this in the presence of water (not steam cause the bacteria dies). Not a bad idea at all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.L.S. Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, InternetGuy said: I don't think that chemical reaction exist in real life at all. it exist, was even considered by nasa for oxygen recycling. The idea is instead of throwing in open space co2 and h2(after electrolysis of water), you will throw in space only methane, and oxygen will remain in closed cycle. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternetGuy Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, D.L.S. said: it exist, was even considered by nasa for oxygen recycling. The idea is instead of throwing in open space co2 and h2(after electrolysis of water), you will throw in space only methane, and oxygen will remain in closed cycle. Link me to it? I'm for sure interested in the process now. :3 1 minute ago, D.L.S. said: it exist, was even considered by nasa for oxygen recycling. The idea is instead of throwing in open space co2 and h2(after electrolysis of water), you will throw in space only methane, and oxygen will remain in closed cycle. Link me to it? I'm for sure interested in the process now. :3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.L.S. Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, InternetGuy said: Link me to it? I'm for sure interested in the process now. :3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternetGuy Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, D.L.S. said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction Yikes. 300C to 400C. Not exactly temperatures we're comfortable with but I guess having one machine do this is possible. It does need water in steam form so I guess having a gold amalgam pump can be a thing. As such, the gas would need to be cooled by a significant amount before any utility can be derived from it. I do think making elemental carbon from the Bosch Reaction would be more balanced in terms of the game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.L.S. Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, InternetGuy said: Yikes. 300C to 400C. Not exactly temperatures we're comfortable with but I guess having one machine do this is possible. It does need water in steam form so I guess having a gold amalgam pump can be a thing. It produce water steam, but enclosed device can have heat exchanger between co2/h2 input and h2o/ch4 output, so it will transfer most heat from output mix to input. So having +30C on input side and something near +95C on output side of device would be fine for game. Reaction require initial heat, but then in long run it will produce extra heat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternetGuy Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, D.L.S. said: It produce water steam, but enclosed device can have heat exchanger between co2/h2 input and h2o/ch4 output, so it will transfer most heat from output mix to input. So having +30C on input side and something near +95C on output side of device would be fine for game. Reaction require initial heat, but then in long run it will produce extra heat. Sorry about that. Derp. Confusing reactions already. Regarding the reaction itself though, it's a nice way to dump CO2 somewhere especially when I like running petroleum generator as my main power source. Having a source of pure carbon from carbon dioxide does seem more appealing though since I heard something about diamond production in the future. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1089960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.L.S. Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 5 hours ago, InternetGuy said: Having a source of pure carbon from carbon dioxide does seem more appealing though since I heard something about diamond production in the future. You will need a lot of co2 to make diamonds in this way. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1090024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternetGuy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 7 hours ago, D.L.S. said: You will need a lot of co2 to make diamonds in this way. CO2 is a waste product. It is more of a way to get rid of it than to make diamonds out of it. Having it as a solid is much less trouble than outputting gas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1090110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 hours ago, InternetGuy said: CO2 is a waste product. Try ranching slicksters and you might change your mind on that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1090160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madbro Posted October 4, 2018 Author Share Posted October 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: Try ranching slicksters and you might change your mind on that. Precious black gold - OIL!!! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1090164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternetGuy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: Try ranching slicksters and you might change your mind on that. That's my next coal after my last colony died of CO2 overflow from the petroleum generator I had. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1090170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainbowdesign Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 how about an inverse electrolyzer thats making from co2 oxygen and coal... But then it kinda sounds too powerful Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96082-hey-dudes-time-to-make-o2-out-of-co2/#findComment-1090177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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