Theoretical maximum number of duplicants

[Zarquan]

1 hour ago, Carnis said:

This is a silly thought experiment.

Of course this is a silly thought experiment.  That's the point.  However, this discussion has taught me that slicksters produce less natural gas than glossy drekkos.

1 hour ago, Carnis said:

Infinite polluted slimelung oxygen -> Infinite capacity LOX machine (power is infinite, with infinite hamsterwheels).

Infinite LOX machine would require infinite space for heat transfer.  The infinite power would also take infinite space, which is impossible because we do not have infinite space.

1 hour ago, Carnis said:

Colony is full of stacks of critter lure + 5 ranching stations 1 puft prince, 10000 dense pufts. 3-4 dense pufts support one duplicant with omeletts for oxygen, which we already have as an infinite resource.

Even if the room is huge, you can not have an infinite number of dense pufts.  They will be overcrowded if there are too many for the whole room.  The only way this may work is if exposing their room to space.  If space is infinite (beyond where you can build), then you could do this.  However, I highly doubt that is the case.  There is probably a max height to space, but it can lead to a large number of pufts.  But you would probably still want to use regular pufts and build farms as well. 

Either way, the maximum number of possible dupes supported on a map is finite.

[Carnis]

13 hours ago, Zarquan said:

Of course this is a silly thought experiment.  That's the point.  However, this discussion has taught me that slicksters produce less natural gas than glossy drekkos.

Infinite LOX machine would require infinite space for heat transfer.  The infinite power would also take infinite space, which is impossible because we do not have infinite space.

Even if the room is huge, you can not have an infinite number of dense pufts.  They will be overcrowded if there are too many for the whole room.  The only way this may work is if exposing their room to space.  If space is infinite (beyond where you can build), then you could do this.  However, I highly doubt that is the case.  There is probably a max height to space, but it can lead to a large number of pufts.  But you would probably still want to use regular pufts and build farms as well. 

Either way, the maximum number of possible dupes supported on a map is finite.

The facts on that other Post about glossy is wrong. Slicksters produce same size eggs, faster, same meat. And you can also farm slicksters on open space, decko - not.

There is no overcrowded on open space. Rooms over 96 do not count. So infinite pufts work.

Radiant gaspipes, hydrogen, instant heat transfer.

You can start designing that LOX build now.

And regular pufts would need farmtiles to Make anything. Dense Make eggs out of nothing.

 

[Zarquan]

8 hours ago, Carnis said:

There is no overcrowded on open space. Rooms over 96 do not count. So infinite pufts work.

There is overcrowding in large rooms.  Use debug to put hundreds or thousands of shinebugs in a large room and they will turn off if there are too many of them.  I'm not sure about what happens if their room is exposed to space though.

8 hours ago, Carnis said:

The facts on that other Post about glossy is wrong. Slicksters produce same size eggs, faster, same meat. And you can also farm slicksters on open space, decko - not.

Which facts on glossy drekkos are wrong?  I never comparing glossy drekkos to slicksters.  I was comparing them to pufts.  But, since you asked, glossy drekkos produce 1760 kcal/cycle, plus produce phosphite.  Regular pufts produce 3101 kcal/cycle, but this takes water and there would have to be drekkos providing phosphorite.  Wtihout growing food from their biproducts, it is 581.33 kcal for any drekko and 301.33 kcal/cycle.   Slicksters produce 840 kcal/cycle in eggs and 32 kcal/cycle in meat.  Slickers also produce 234.6 kcal/cycle in gristle berries, resulting in a grand total of 1106.6 kcal/cycle, or 872 kcal/cycle without using their biprocucts per farming.  However, since overcrowding is a thing, even if the room is over 96 tiles, you can only have so many of each of these animals per tile.  This is also assuming all of the animals are tamed and happy, which is a big if considering grooming stations take space.

8 hours ago, Carnis said:

Radiant gaspipes, hydrogen, instant heat transfer.

Increased, not instant.  If you had a large enough mass of polluted oxygen, the contents of the pipes would not have the the thermal capacity to lower the temperature of the polluted oxygen to make it liquid.  Think about this:  If you were feeding a LOX machine 1,000,000 kg/s of polluted oxygen, how much hydrogen would it take at -250C to reduce the 1,000,000 kg/s of polluted oxygen's temperature by 1 C?  You would need more than that coming in every second to liquefy the polluted oxygen, and a pipe only carries 1kg/s.

8 hours ago, Carnis said:

You can start designing that LOX build now.

I think you have this backwards.  I'm claiming it's impossible to create a LOX machine with infinite capacity, and you are claiming it is.  That means it is on you to create such a machine, or at least design it, before I will be convinced.  This is like an evangelical asking an atheist to prove the existence of God.  Such a request would not convince the atheist.

8 hours ago, Carnis said:

And regular pufts would need farmtiles to Make anything. Dense Make eggs out of nothing.

Regular pufts produce eggs and meat at the same rate as dense pufts with the same mass.  They also have the same life span and the same amount of meat.  Dense pufts consume oxygen.  So do regular pufts.  The difference is that dense pufts consume less, but it has to be regular oxygen.  There is no reason to use dense pufts over regular pufts since we have unlimited polluted oxygen with the morbs.  If you were to do an infinite puft farm with regular pufts, then you wouldn't need the LOX machine and, if controlled exposure to space means infinite space (which I doubt), then you could have an infinite amount of them without them overcrowding.  But they wouldn't all be tame because grooming stations take space.  And you would run out of space, therefore they would not all be producing eggs at a sufficient rate, meaning we would be living off the meat, not the eggs.  A grooming station can only tame or maintain happiness of a finite number of animals.

23 hours ago, Carnis said:

Forget the farming. Your limiting factor becomes the size of your LOX machine, and the max capacity of the grooming stations.

Since overcrowding is still a thing, even for large rooms, farm tiles will always increase the food density of your animals unless space is truly infinite.  If it is, then you live off wild puft meat.  My belief is that it isn't and the best approach is either normal pufts with a few normal drekkos or glossy drekkos that will maximize the food density.

[GrindThisGame]

I had 100 in a base a few updates ago (tubular). That was without any cheats. I'm not sure if it would have lasted for 1000s of cycles though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36GY6eTmghg

 

[PhailRaptor]

13 minutes ago, GrindThisGame said:

I had 100 in a base a few updates ago (tubular).

Tubular was before the Geyser rework though.  Ranch 1 retooled the Geyser system pretty heavily.  Actually...  Was that before or after Geysers became foreground objects?

[Carnis]

Curious, didn't know open space overcrowded.

Imo slicksters give out 3200 kcal in meat, 2800 in omeletts, so meat is preferred. 1egg/6 cycle so 666kcal barbeque/cycle with peppers. Assuming The 840 counts gristle berries. Meat is anyways better than egg.

[Zarquan]

19 hours ago, Carnis said:

Curious, didn't know open space overcrowded.

Imo slicksters give out 3200 kcal in meat, 2800 in omeletts, so meat is preferred. 1egg/6 cycle so 666kcal barbeque/cycle with peppers. Assuming The 840 counts gristle berries. Meat is anyways better than egg.

Slicksters produce 2 kg eggs according to

It could be the case that a large enough open space doesn't overcrowd, but my impression is that it will, we just don't have enough critters in there and would theoretically overcrowd, but that is difficult to test.