onlineous Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I've build the following system to convert crude oil to natural gas. The outside is filled with all kinds of heat exchangers to transfer heat back in the input oil, and in polluted water to vaporize it to steam. My problem is with the room with the iron volcano. Even though there is (or should be) no contact with the natural gas, every once in a while the room fills with natural gas. I've tried all kinds of things, thicker walls, smaller oil boiler room, bigger oil boiler room, it doesn't matter: natural gas keeps coming in and ruining my vacuum. In my opinion the gas could come from two different places: through the (oil) airlock, or it bugs through the walls. It's not the oil from the airlock being converted by heat: it's not even hot enough to convert to petroleum. Anyone any idea where the gas comes from and how to prevent it from happening? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 You are using Crude to form a liquid lock as the entrance. Crude will boil into Petro, which will then in-turn vaporize into NatGas. You will need to replace that liquid lock with a 3 door vacuum assembly made from Wolframite (won't melt at those temps). You do this by using Automation to open the middle door after the 2 exterior ones are closed. This will create a vacuum, blocking the transfer of heat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I don't think it's the airlock. I think it's the bug where liquids spontaneously moves through tiles. Why? Because there is a "gasbubble" inside the cooled metal. But it's just my guess. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlineous Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, PhailRaptor said: You are using Crude to form a liquid lock as the entrance. Crude will boil into Petro, which will then in-turn vaporize into NatGas. You will need to replace that liquid lock with a 3 door vacuum assembly made from Wolframite (won't melt at those temps). You do this by using Automation to open the middle door after the 2 exterior ones are closed. This will create a vacuum, blocking the transfer of heat. It's not the oil liquidlock: that lock is not even hot enough to convert to petroleum, let alone natural gas. It might be natural gas passing through the liquid lock, but that's hard to find out. Until now I haven't seen this behavior from this type of liquid lock yet, and I use it in more parts of my base. It's also a bit of 'which was first, the chicken or the egg': the crude oil can boil of, but only with the heat from the volcano, outside its 'only' about 120 degrees. To transfer the heat there must be natural gas or another gas in the volcano chamber. 10 minutes ago, Yoma_Nosme said: I don't think it's the airlock. I think it's the bug where liquids spontaneously moves through tiles. Why? Because there is a "gasbubble" inside the cooled metal. But it's just my guess. Actually it's not a gas bubble: at that point I accidentally dropped a few dozen kilograms of gold in there, which melted. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Just now, onlineous said: Actually it's not a gas bubble: at that point I accidentally dropped a few dozen kilograms of gold in there, which melted. Whoops. My bad. But I still think it's the "quantum tunnelling" bug. I observed it happens more often when automated pneumatic doors are close. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlineous Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Yoma_Nosme said: Whoops. My bad. But I still think it's the "quantum tunnelling" bug. I observed it happens more often when automated pneumatic doors are close. Are you saying the gas comes through the heat transfer door at the bottom? That sounds highly implausible because there is always a perfect vacuum at both sides of the door. I actually get the idea that there is some bug which allows gas to transfer through walls. Let's find out with another vacuum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 44 minutes ago, onlineous said: Are you saying the gas comes through the heat transfer door at the bottom? Yes! I know it's implausible. Its not like the doors are shovelling the oil. Its like "quantum tunnelling" when there is lots of liquid and some gets turned to petroleum during the animation where this little eddies appear some just appears on the other side of the door and metal tile Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlineous Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Yoma_Nosme said: Yes! I know it's implausible. Its not like the doors are shovelling the oil. Its like "quantum tunnelling" when there is lots of liquid and some gets turned to petroleum during the animation where this little eddies appear some just appears on the other side of the door and metal tile But than the natural gas would still turn up inside the vacuum on the right side of the left tungsten tile right? Or am I missing something? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, onlineous said: But than the natural gas would still turn up inside the vacuum on the right side of the left tungsten tile right? Yes.( A little bit) Petroleum disappears on the left side of the doors and metal tile and appears on the right side of the doors and metal tile and is turned to Nat gas immediately. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlineous Posted May 19, 2018 Author Share Posted May 19, 2018 Weird, with the extra vacuum in between I haven't had the problem anymore. Seems like natural gas can bug through tiles under some conditions. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clickrush Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Are you sure it wasn't because of the airlock on top, which is removed now? It is certainly a bug but I don't think the gas went through the heat transfer area, because it would compromise the vacuum there first. The door at the top however with all that massive gas pressure mixed with some liquid laying around might do some weird things when it closes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlineous Posted May 19, 2018 Author Share Posted May 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, clickrush said: Are you sure it wasn't because of the airlock on top, which is removed now? It is certainly a bug but I don't think the gas went through the heat transfer area, because it would compromise the vacuum there first. The door at the top however with all that massive gas pressure mixed with some liquid laying around might do some weird things when it closes. That is by far the most plausible explanation till now. I might add in the airlock again to test it, but I think you've nailed it! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90909-where-does-the-natural-gas-come-from/#findComment-1036571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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