Igneous Rock

[LiveYourDreams]

So I've been using igneous rock as an alternative to abyssalite for things I'd like to control heat on but its not critical. Just hoping it will help a little bit. So I make insulated pipes with it and will also use it for base outer walls when im out of abyssalite. 

My issue is... today my abyssalite pipes broke in my gas filter chain... like I had a bunch of filters one for natural gas to chlorine to other gasses. I was going to sort out my gasses, send them where I want to store or get them processed. It all started with the plastic maker which can get hot. I just didn't expect the pipes to just break like that. 

The gas inside some of the pipes is 173 F. Any thoughts on mats used to control heat? 

 

[Flydo]

Ick i'm not good at converting Farenheit in °C, can you post a screen of the system you made and your trouble?

 

For the plastic maker, it could be hot really really fast no matter the material you use to made it, for me use gold amalgam to make the polymer press is a waste of gold cause you press could be go to 125°C but plastic melting down at 75 °C to naphta liquid that is only transformable in natural gas by heating it more, use wolframite instead and made tempshift plate behind it (if you have some use diamond it's a wonder for the plate)

but with this you polymer press overheating again so with one clock sensor you can choose a short time in a cycle to activate press (you can you two clock and a "Or gate" to use it two time a day so your press have the time to cooling down), try with a shorter time possible and look at the press temperature, and don't forget to have liquid vent above your press to cooling it when it work

 

I hope this is help you

 

(I also manage heat in my base by pumping cold hydrogen (room full of hydrogen and a few weezeworth to cooling down it) into gas pipe in the hot place of my base or place i need to control temperature like my farm)

[LiveYourDreams]

2 hours ago, docteurmaboul83 said:

but plastic melting down

yea i got some naptha from the polymer press. I know its useful but it was totally accidental.

2 hours ago, docteurmaboul83 said:

(you can you two clock and a "Or gate"

Thanks for the suggestion I never thought of this. I've used clocks before but never thought of using two and OR gates and whatnot I have yet to play with. Thanks again.

[Flydo]

i don't see a use of naptha, and for me it's a huge waste of plastic that are already a refine material that need time and energy to made

[Logicsol]

5 minutes ago, docteurmaboul83 said:

i don't see a use of naptha, and for me it's a huge waste of plastic that are already a refine material that need time and energy to made

It can be pretty useful. It's better than crude/petrol as a coolant(higher thermal spec, higher vapor point).

[Flydo]

I mostly work with hydrogen as a coolant, cause it's allow me to reach very very low temperature and thermal conductivity is only a little more than hydrogen gases and you need more than two times more energy to cool down by 1°C of naphta instead of 1 g of hydrogen (and i can use weezwort or ATEN to cooling down gases efficiently)

Look again at the spec, I made a list of thermal spec of all material and with no doubt petroleum is a way better than naphta as a coolant, naphta is one of the lowest liquid in thermal conductivity, only two liquid is worse than it liquid hydrogen and methane

 

[KittenIsAGeek]

11 hours ago, strawberrygirl said:

My issue is... today my abyssalite pipes broke in my gas filter chain... like I had a bunch of filters one for natural gas to chlorine to other gasses. I was going to sort out my gasses, send them where I want to store or get them processed. It all started with the plastic maker which can get hot. I just didn't expect the pipes to just break like that. 

The gas inside some of the pipes is 173 F. Any thoughts on mats used to control heat? 

 

It may not be about heat.  One of the byproducts of the polymer press is steam. If there's an air pump nearby, it could have gotten steam into the system, which then condensed into water and broke the pipes.  Most of the pipe breaking I've had in the game is due to a state change: Gas to liquid, liquid gas or solid, etc.  As far as I'm aware, abyssalite pipes can handle pretty much anything up to and including magma, so the output temps of the polymer press shouldn't be an issue.

[LiveYourDreams]

3 hours ago, KittenIsAGeek said:

One of the byproducts of the polymer press is steam. If there's an air pump nearby, it could have gotten steam into the system, which then condensed into water and broke the pipes.

Ah that explains it,  I think that is just what happened because of all the different gas lines in that gas filter chain only the steam one was affected. Polymer Press has to be treated extra specially I guess.

[KittenIsAGeek]

BTW, love your avatar, Strawberrygirl.

[LiveYourDreams]

37 minutes ago, KittenIsAGeek said:

BTW, love your avatar, Strawberrygirl.

 thank you!

[Flydo]

8 hours ago, strawberrygirl said:

Polymer Press has to be treated extra specially I guess.

Polymer press, it's very special use don't think about it like a normal machine.

Most of the time i put in at the bottom of my water tank so steam turn in water directly in my water tank

[LiveYourDreams]

9 minutes ago, Flydo said:

Polymer press, it's very special use don't think about it like a normal machine.

Most of the time i put in at the bottom of my water tank so steam turn in water directly in my water tank

Nice. It won't flood?

[Oozinator]

When someone has problems cooling the PP down, use a gas valve at the CO² output, so close to the machine as possible and regulate temperature through valve output. Setup more of those then the output of plastic will add up (when needed).
Below the PP you could easy setup a small pool with a deactivated pitcherpump (only activate when to much liquid is adding up).

[Flydo]

like i say before i don't use polymer press 100% of time so no for the moment, press only make 8.33 g/s it's really nothing in a water tank

[Logicsol]

1 hour ago, docteurmaboul83 said:

I mostly work with hydrogen as a coolant, cause it's allow me to reach very very low temperature and thermal conductivity is only a little more than hydrogen gases and you need more than two times more energy to cool down by 1°C of naphta instead of 1 g of hydrogen (and i can use weezwort or ATEN to cooling down gases efficiently)

Look again at the spec, I made a list of thermal spec of all material and with no doubt petroleum is a way better than naphta as a coolant, naphta is one of the lowest liquid in thermal conductivity, only two liquid is worse than it liquid hydrogen and methane

 

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As an active coolant, IE in a refinery, you're right Petroleum is much better.

But  I find Naptha can be superior as a heat transfer medium, especially if you're trying to transfer heat away from a gas. The main use I've had for it in this build is cooling down volcano metal. The extra 20% thermal capacity is nice, and it doesn't change to a less effective medium if you mess up the tolerances.

Also, it takes less energy g for g to cool  Naptha 1c than hydrogen. I mean, that's the main reason to use hydrogen as a gas coolant. More deleted heat from a weezewort, and a greater ability to store energy.

[Flydo]

It quite the same but with crude oil you can cooling down something  at 500 °C like if you heating up crude oil to make petroleum without a refinery, with H2 you can work at all the temperature you want with the same system.

 

But i think the way liquid could be more powerfull it cause by the pipe in a gas pipe you store 1 Kg and at the same time in a liquid pipe you can store 10 Kg, you need to 240W gas pump to fill up your pipe again 1 liquid pump to fill up the pipe (but you will need hug amount of energy to cooling down 10 more quantity, an i made it for free energy with ATEN and weezewort)

So like in real life choosing a coolant depending on:

1) Range temperature you work 2) amount of heat you need to evacuate

it's too dangerous for my point of view to made liquid chlorine for store it with crude oil as coolant freezing and condensation point are too close

But i not really know is how they calculate time in game cause 1 Joule= 1 Watt for 1 s, in the game it is one real second or they have a specific game second in game

[PhailRaptor]

39 minutes ago, Flydo said:

But i not really know is how they calculate time in game cause 1 Joule= 1 Watt for 1 s, in the game it is one real second or they have a specific game second in game

The game performs calculations 5 times per second.  We know this from observing interactions between Transformers and the circuits they are connected to.  As long as no single devices on the low end of the Transformer consumes more than 1 kW (or as long as there is a Battery of any type on the low end), the Transformer can provide a total of 5 kW per second, 1 for each "tick" the game runs calculations on.  If you were to run an isolated circuit that requires 10 kW running on Heavy-Watt, for some reason, you would need a second Transformer.

[Flydo]

So for calculate heat transfert i need to use 0.2 real second like it's one second so 1 W for 1 real second it made me 5 joules?

[travaldofan]

always use polymer press with termosensor, 

and try doing some good cooling system

[Jigsawn]

With my polymer press, I have it  in a little sealed room and has been running for maybe 80 cycles non stop. But I'm confused as to why the steam isn't building up to overpressurise, or condensing and flooding the room. Is the steam output really small?

 

[Kabrute]

tiny steam release

[Flydo]

1 hour ago, Jigsawn said:

With my polymer press, I have it  in a little sealed room and has been running for maybe 80 cycles non stop. But I'm confused as to why the steam isn't building up to overpressurise, or condensing and flooding the room. Is the steam output really small?

 

8.33g/s steam output