onlineous Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 In some previous discussions on this forum someone somewhere mentioned that phase change costs energy. Can someone tell me how this works? If all phase changes indeed consume energy I would like to explore the options of cooling my base using that mechanic. I'm thinking about an aquatuner and some automation contineously vaporizing and condensing clean water. Does someone know more about the phase change mechanics? Or do they only apply because of different heat capacities? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89219-does-phase-change-delete-heat/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 they don't consume heat, there is an overall energy loss when changing pwater to steam because of a different thermal capacity, the reverse is true when cooking say oil Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89219-does-phase-change-delete-heat/#findComment-1020709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminite2 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Testing using the debug painter, it looks like both clean and polluted water lose 1.5 degrees when they evaporate. Polluted water crosses the 122.4C threshold to become 120.9 C steam and dirt, while clean water crosses the 102.4 C threshold to become 100.9 C steam. Interestingly, steam also loses 1.5 degrees going the other direction: crossing the 96.3 C threshold yields 94.8 C water. So, in theory, you could make a cooling system as you describe. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89219-does-phase-change-delete-heat/#findComment-1020732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 It would be nice if it did at least. I have several things converting from one phase to another so I will have to look. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89219-does-phase-change-delete-heat/#findComment-1020739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 At least with crude turning in to petroleum the temperatures were close enough to the same that if it was changing it wasn't enough to really matter. I may have been interpreting it wrong as well. The walls were over 400 degrees and the crude was 396 and transitioning so possibly there was heat transferring in to the crude that put it over 400 for a moment and then it boiled out down to what looked like a steady slowly increasing 396 That could mean it was about 1% heat loss on transition? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89219-does-phase-change-delete-heat/#findComment-1020752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 now convert the petrol to natural gas and measure that thermal shift Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89219-does-phase-change-delete-heat/#findComment-1020776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I debug mode painted in 700c(973.15k) petrol in to an abyssalite surrounded vacuum and it turned in to 697.5c natural gas. 697.5c is 970.65k so there is a change They both have different heat capacity so I would bet if you mathed it around the petrol transition you would get some more useful values. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89219-does-phase-change-delete-heat/#findComment-1020807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 700c*1.76=1,232 j petrol energy 697.5*2.191=1528 j nat gas.... if we started with oil at 700c its even more energy even so, the answer to the main question is apparently, a resounding Yes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89219-does-phase-change-delete-heat/#findComment-1020815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlineous Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 I immediately thought of a system like this. I can confirm the whole system is indeed cooling down, but I have the feeling part of that might be the heat deletion bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89219-does-phase-change-delete-heat/#findComment-1020893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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