Forge Portal's Keyhole

[ShadowDuelist]

The entrance portal to the Forge has a keyhole that every character has a different opinion of,  but no other interaction is available at the moment. This makes me think that many new features may appear or be needed to complete the endgame forge: Perhaps getting the means to open it back to the constant? I remember when the fuel weaver was first presented in the Beta, that only a shorter and simpler version of the fight could be played.

To me this seems like a general test of the system, the main gameplay, matchmaking, and many other things, but it may not the definitive version of the Forge We will see in the game. In any case, even if it stayed exactly as it is, its pretty fun for a few weeks event!

[fimmatek]

I was looking into the characters' speechfiles (we have some files at least!) and found these:

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LAVAARENA_PORTAL = 
{
    ON = "I'll just be going now.",
    GENERIC = "That's how we got here. Hopefully how we get back, too.",
},
LAVAARENA_KEYHOLE = "It needs a key.",
LAVAARENA_KEYHOLE_FULL = "That should do it.",

from Wilson, and

LAVAARENA_PORTAL = 
{
    ON = "Let's head back to camp, Lucy.",
    GENERIC = "Don't trust that as far as I can throw it.",
},

from Woodie.

It seems to me that there will be a key that activates the portal, which will lead back to the DS world (based on Woodie's quotes). I guess this key will be dropped by the Grand Forge Boarrior.

Also Wickerbottom sais, that

GENERIC = "It is linked to our Gateway, but inactive on this side.",

If we get the key in the forge, I wonder why the Battlemaster didn't invade the Constant before? I hope we'll find out during the even.

 

[Ashkain]

27 minutes ago, fimmatek said:

I was looking into the characters' speechfiles (we have some files at least!) and found these:

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LAVAARENA_PORTAL = 
{
    ON = "I'll just be going now.",
    GENERIC = "That's how we got here. Hopefully how we get back, too.",
},
LAVAARENA_KEYHOLE = "It needs a key.",
LAVAARENA_KEYHOLE_FULL = "That should do it.",

from Wilson, and

LAVAARENA_PORTAL = 
{
    ON = "Let's head back to camp, Lucy.",
    GENERIC = "Don't trust that as far as I can throw it.",
},

from Woodie.

It seems to me that there will be a key that activates the portal, which will lead back to the DS world (based on Woodie's quotes). I guess this key will be dropped by the Grand Forge Boarrior.

Also Wickerbottom sais, that

GENERIC = "It is linked to our Gateway, but inactive on this side.",

If we get the key in the forge, I wonder why the Battlemaster didn't invade the Constant before? I hope we'll find out during the even.

Oh man, if we can use that portal take back the cool loot found in the forge back to our normal words? Sign me the hell up! Possibly only have the option for that if you have at least 1 world with the gate "active" (killed the fuelweaver)

[EthanTheMime]

Just now, fimmatek said:

I was looking into the characters' speechfiles (we have some files at least!) and found these:

  Hide contents

LAVAARENA_PORTAL = 
{
    ON = "I'll just be going now.",
    GENERIC = "That's how we got here. Hopefully how we get back, too.",
},
LAVAARENA_KEYHOLE = "It needs a key.",
LAVAARENA_KEYHOLE_FULL = "That should do it.",

from Wilson, and

LAVAARENA_PORTAL = 
{
    ON = "Let's head back to camp, Lucy.",
    GENERIC = "Don't trust that as far as I can throw it.",
},

from Woodie.

It seems to me that there will be a key that activates the portal, which will lead back to the DS world (based on Woodie's quotes). I guess this key will be dropped by the Grand Forge Boarrior.

Also Wickerbottom sais, that

GENERIC = "It is linked to our Gateway, but inactive on this side.",

If we get the key in the forge, I wonder why the Battlemaster didn't invade the Constant before? I hope we'll find out during the even.

That last question is pretty good.

But the reason is, most likely, all dialogue considered; they weren't ready beforehand, and now that they've defeated (what they could have believed to be the rest of) the throne's lackeys, they believe they're ready to fight. Be it because a massive threat has been extinguished, or they're now confident in their ability to fight.

The key will most likely will be dropped off of the Grand Forge Boarrior or even possibly Battlemaster Pugna.

If it were the Boarrior, I doubt Pugna would just let them leave that easily. So we'll have to see.

[fimmatek]

11 minutes ago, Ashkain said:

Oh man, if we can use that portal take back the cool loot found in the forge back to our normal words? Sign me the hell up! Possibly only have the option for that if you have at least 1 world with the gate "active" (killed the fuelweaver)

That is a really cool idea, I'd like to see it in-game!

But we still should have the immediate access from the main menu, otherways getting into the Forge would be way too long and difficult (only to be defeated ).

[The Curator]

2 hours ago, fimmatek said:

If we get the key in the forge, I wonder why the Battlemaster didn't invade the Constant before? I hope we'll find out during the even.

The Atrium Portal has its own key, which the Guardian protected. They didn't invade because the Atrium Portal wasn't active until the survivors used it, which brought them to the Battlemaster, who then prepares to invade back once the survivors are dead.

May be in relation to the Metheus Puzzle and its abominable two player requirement, referencing that two players need to work on each end to solve it just as two portals need to be opened manually for them to connect.

The Gatekeepers were likely the ones who guarded the Atrium's portal, which is why the Battlemaster calls them that since they came from the Atrium's portal so he assumes they have to be the Gatekeepers.

[EthanTheMime]

4 hours ago, The Curator said:

The Atrium Portal has its own key, which the Guardian protected. They didn't invade because the Atrium Portal wasn't active until the survivors used it, which brought them to the Battlemaster, who then prepares to invade back once the survivors are dead.

May be in relation to the Metheus Puzzle and its abominable two player requirement, referencing that two players need to work on each end to solve it just as two portals need to be opened manually for them to connect.

The Gatekeepers were likely the ones who guarded the Atrium's portal, which is why the Battlemaster calls them that since they came from the Atrium's portal so he assumes they have to be the Gatekeepers.

 That kind of adds up actually. It mentions a description that The Forge was reconnected to The Constant through the Ancient Gateway. The Gatekeepers themselves could very well be Them, because Pugna seems to know who They are, and despises them. Perhaps they cut the chain between the two dimensions because the people who once manned the gateway transcended into Them, and potentially turned on The Forge? Or maybe they just cut the link and Pugna wasn't happy about it. The gateway is, as the title states, ancient, and is also found around all of the murals and whatnot if I'm not mistaken. It would make sense to relate Them and the Ancient Gateway.

 When the link is cut, and the Gateway is left in ruin for a long, long time, The Forge lives in a sort of training phase, preparing to take over The Constant and the Throne for a decent period of that time. When it is reactivated, he, as you said, assumes the Gatekeepers to be at work (and lets be honest, they sort of are at this point; they repaired and activated the portal, no?) He knows that they didn't fulfill their end of the "deal" and immediately sees them as a threat, instantly sending his army in. The survivors fight back back, unknowingly doing Charlie's (AKA the Throne's) dirty work.

 The more I think about it, the more this would make sense. Charlie simply gets the survivors to do her bidding having them discover the way of reactivating The Gateway, and then having them fight to take it over. This is strengthened by how Pugna seems to actually be in the right when he speaks, talking about how he's merely trying to keep himself and The Forge's inhabitants away from The Constant, as he fears what is at work. I have a feeling that The Forge isn't the only thing the Ancient Gateway has in store for us.

There could be a whole multitude of dimensions to work in, or in other words; other events.

 

 

 

[The Curator]

2 hours ago, EthanTheMime said:

The Gatekeepers themselves could very well be Them, because Pugna seems to know who They are, and despises them.

Pugna refers to the Gatekeepers and Them as separate entities. At one point he monologues about whether or not the Gatekeepers/survivors are even aware that they are serving Them, and so on. None of the Ancients are Them either as the Metheus Puzzle shows the shadows coming through the portal and ruining the Ancient civilization. So They are essentially a transdimensional entity and this is a multidimensional universe, The Constant being the part of it that is excluded from an element of chaos that the other dimensions are under.

The Constant can't be Earth either as Maxwell is capable of creating challenge worlds for Wilson which defy the natural functions of Earth such as perpetual winter and perpetual darkness. Whatever The Constant is it's a separate place that can be manipulated on its own.

[EthanTheMime]

7 hours ago, The Curator said:

The Constant can't be Earth either...

Confused what you meant by this; of course The Constant isn't Earth?

Elaborate.

[The Curator]

10 hours ago, EthanTheMime said:

Confused what you meant by this; of course The Constant isn't Earth?

Elaborate.

One could theorize that the Constant is Earth not only because of the amount of creatures on it related to Earth but also because of Maxwell's Door. If the Ancient portal is needed to travel dimensions then likely Maxwell's Door cannot. It's improbable that Wilson alone under Maxwell's influence was capable of creating a device out of scrap that magical ancient civilizations could only even build one at a time on their own plane. Furthermore Maxwell's Door is not structured in the same circular pattern that both gateways previously seen have been. Thus Maxwell's Door likely is only capable of teleporting things a comparatively short distance then the Ancient portals, meaning the Constant is close if not adjacent to Earth.