Is the temperature exuded by biomes a finite resource?

[Merauder]

So what happens if I build structures that produce heat, inside the cold biome? Does the biome passively get heated until it vanishes, or does the biome actively resist the temperature change by elminating some of the heat?

 

[Kasuha]

6 minutes ago, Merauder said:

Will the cold biome eventually heat up

Yes, it will eventually heat up.

There are things that produce/destroy heat. Steam geyser produces hot steam and water. Wheezeworts cool gases down, sending the removed heat to oblivion. But normal matter in all biomes undergoes normal heat exchange.

[Merauder]

39 minutes ago, Kasuha said:

Yes, it will eventually heat up.

There are things that produce/destroy heat. Steam geyser produces hot steam and water. Wheezeworts cool gases down, sending the removed heat to oblivion. But normal matter in all biomes undergoes normal heat exchange.

 

I feel I need to be more specific maybe... I know the cold biome will become warmer, but does it actively resist this temperature change?

Let's say that I unload all my hot gas into the cold biome. I keep it there until the entire area is at a balmy 30 degrees. Then I hermetically seal the now 30 degree cold biome with insulated tiles.

Will the cold biome eventually cool down by itself, or is it now permanently 30 degrees and the cold biome destroyed?

 

I want to know if a cold biome, actively adds cold to the game / destroys heat in its vicinity, or passively suffers the influx.

[Kasuha]

12 minutes ago, Merauder said:

I feel I need to be more specific maybe... I know the cold biome will become warmer, but does it actively resist this temperature change?

Cold biome does not have any special physics. It's like fridge at your home, it's full of cold things. The only thing in ice biome that actively resists temperature change are wheezeworts but these can be uprooted and planted anywhere else and will keep doing their thing wherever you plant them.

[Merauder]

1 minute ago, Kasuha said:

Cold biome does not have any special physics. It's like fridge at your home, it's full of cold things. The only thing in ice biome that actively resists temperature change are wheezeworts but these can be uprooted and planted anywhere else and will keep doing their thing wherever you plant them.

The fridge in my home DOES actively resist changes in temperature with special physics. If I put a warm object in there, it'll come out cool 2 hours later. It's not just full of cold things, it MAKES things cold.

Are you saying that the cold Biome also actively reduces temperatures? Or are you saying that the only cause of that, are the wheezeworts?

Does the cold biome reduce temperatures, or only the wheezewort?

 

[Moggles]

No the biomes don't have special properties beyond rear wall colouring.

This makes me wonder what state the overall temperature would be if you could mine out all the the mass and let everything interact over a long period. Would the whole thing be one stable temperature eventually? How many cycles would that even take?

[Kasuha]

34 minutes ago, Merauder said:

Are you saying that the cold Biome also actively reduces temperatures? Or are you saying that the only cause of that, are the wheezeworts?

Does the cold biome reduce temperatures, or only the wheezewort?

You are trying very hard to misinterpret what I'm telling you in the way you want to have things.

[Merauder]

1 hour ago, Kasuha said:

You are trying very hard to misinterpret what I'm telling you in the way you want to have things.

There's enough ambiguity left in what was said, for someone uncertain of the answer, to genuinely and sincerely be left in doubt as to what that answer is. It really isn't as obvious to me and none of it stated clearly how things worked.

If you believe I was being silly, please quote where you clearly stated that the biome does not destroy heat.

Neither the fridge metaphore, nor you claiming that it warms, does that.

Thanks for trying though. Moggles added on top of your information, enough clear cut statements to dispel that doubt.

[heckubis]

the fridge at home also has a power source that accommodates for the loss of heat  like the wheeze  warts do. All the objects in the ice biome have a cold temp and that will reinforce the cold of other things in the biome. if you remove all the actual cold mass from the biome or add a lot of heat to the biome the heat will win the eventually. the same thing will happen with our fridge if unplugged for defrosting the icebox part will stay cold a lot longer than the rest of the fridge but as soon as you pull out the built up ice the cold that was there is gone

[Merauder]

8 minutes ago, heckubis said:

the fridge at home also has a power source that accommodates for the loss of heat  like the wheeze  warts do. All the objects in the ice biome have a cold temp and that will reinforce the cold of other things in the biome. if you remove all the actual cold mass from the biome or add a lot of heat to the biome the heat will win the eventually. the same thing will happen with our fridge if unplugged for defrosting the icebox part will stay cold a lot longer than the rest of the fridge but as soon as you pull out the built up ice the cold that was there is gone

And that explanation clearly points at the wheezeworts as the source of the lower temperatures! Which also clearly answers my question:

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Does the cold biome reduce temperatures, or only the wheezewort?

Thanks for the clarification!

 

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add a lot of heat to the biome the heat will win the eventually

That is, the heat doesn't actually "win" if I now understand the explanation. The biome simply gets warmer. It doesn't actively destroy heat, or "lose out" against an addition of it.

 

 

1 hour ago, Moggles said:

This makes me wonder what state the overall temperature would be if you could mine out all the the mass and let everything interact over a long period. Would the whole thing be one stable temperature eventually? How many cycles would that even take?

My starting point was right next to a cold biome and the lower temperature slowly spread through my base in the beginning. It lead me to believe that the cold biome was an actual source of cold generation, but it might simply have been diffusion of it. An interesting experiment!

[LeadfootSlim]

Follow-up question; if I melt the ice biome on purpose, will it eventually turn into a giant puddle?

[Risu]

2 minutes ago, LeadfootSlim said:

Follow-up question; if I melt the ice biome on purpose, will it eventually turn into a giant puddle?

A giant puddle with floating granite and wolframite.
 

[LeadfootSlim]

4 minutes ago, Risu said:

A giant puddle with floating granite and wolframite.
 

That sounds like a lovely challenge!

[CodingKitteh]

17 hours ago, LeadfootSlim said:

Follow-up question; if I melt the ice biome on purpose, will it eventually turn into a giant puddle?

You can do it in debug mode, you will see heat changes to a cold biome are permanent (thankfully). I turned my cold biome into a steam fest by placing super dense, high pressure steam pockets, melting all the ice. The ice biome is now hotter than any other except magma.

There isn't anything effective to remove heat right in the internal system at the scope of the game now besides "The Void" tile. With the void, you can just pump hot CO2 out. Using thermo regulators, you can even use that to generate cold packets.

Using the void isn't cheating, since it spawns naturally. However, you need to explore the map.

[Merauder]

1 hour ago, CodingKitteh said:

You can do it in debug mode, you will see heat changes to a cold biome are permanent (thankfully). I turned my cold biome into a steam fest by placing super dense, high pressure steam pockets, melting all the ice. The ice biome is now hotter than any other except magma.

There isn't anything effective to remove heat right in the internal system at the scope of the game now besides "The Void" tile. With the void, you can just pump hot CO2 out. Using thermo regulators, you can even use that to generate cold packets.

Using the void isn't cheating, since it spawns naturally. However, you need to explore the map.

... That's the first time I've ever heard of the void! Awesome!

[yungmew]

You only get one to three void tiles per map, maybe even none at all.