DwerBomb Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I'm going to be clear: I really like walani. I know, she may seem bland, but she's actually pretty cool as a character. Her design is especially nice. But she has one big problem: her perks.Rain wets and drains faster on her, sanity modifiers have less effect, her health is lower and her stomach bigger with a slightly faster hunger rate. And then there's her surfboard. Sure, a free boat right off the bat and easy to craft, which goes fast, gives you +1 sanity per wave you ride, can be picked up and let's your hands free (to use a torch for example) is REALLY good...but only until you are able to craft something better (as the Armoured boat). The characteristics of the surf board are:-less durabity -hitting a wave makes you more wet +hand free+pick up-able+fast+ [+1] sanity and x5 speed boost when riding a waveThis may seem obvious, but having a harder to craft but better surfboard you could use in the late game would be great. It could use Living Logs and maybe gold? And it should not only be a straight up upgrade of the surf board but also have something more going on (can surf on big waves for example!)I just want something more to this character, she has great potential ^^ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastelSky Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Yes! I love Walani, I wish she had something more going on for her •v• Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talavaj Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 +hitting waves wet you more but doesn't remove durabityThat is not true, you lose durability like usual AND get more wet. And yeah, she definitely needs perks.I personally don't understand why she even has penalties in the first place considering how limited her perk is. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 That is not true, you lose durability like usual AND get more wet.Ah! I must edit that, my bad Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tHe_silent_H Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I feel she needs something usable outside the nautical tab, her board is probably not going to be useful in the lava caves, or in adventure mode(when Vanilla/ROG travel is possible) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 I feel she needs something usable outside the nautical tab, her board is probably not going to be useful in the lava caves, or in adventure mode(when Vanilla/ROG travel is possible)Are the lava caves confirmed to be planned for shipwrecked? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4T3RGR3NAD3R Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 It would also be nice if she had some kind of debuff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryDead Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 On the topic of Walani, I would prefer to see some sort of change that makes her less of a.... eh character. Compared to Wilson, she lacks a beard and therefore, no easy effigies. As for her perks? She can craft a Surfboard, which at first I enjoyed the concept of, seeing how she was a character that could explore the seas faster and earlier than others. Too bad she's just outright bland outside of the board. Even with the board, although it's great you can pick it up and carry it with you, the low durability means that after sailing for a few days, if you haven't found a spot you want to camp, the board will likely be near breaking even without hitting waves. It's nice that you can build another board by default, too bad you need a science machine (for the board required). At that point, you minus will get yourself a rowboat for the extra durability and same speed, and now you're playing a Wilson without easy access to beard hair. As for ways to improve her? Taking into account the previous flaws, I think it would be best if the Surfboard recipe didn't require boards so it has better early game potential, and the ability to create different surfboards with the usage of Science/Alchemy machine that would offer a variety of perks to make sure her surfboard gimmick doesn't get immediately out shadowed by the obvious Row/Cargo/Armoured boats. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
quantum_anomaly Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I dont agree on the not needing boards, but merely from an RP perspective. Maybe since she knows her way around a board, boards could be unlocked for her as a recipe by default, allowing her to re-craft her surfboard from the start. As for her late game potential, I agree some work needs done there. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 It would also be nice if she had some kind of debuff.She does have debuffs: as her sanity goes down slower, it also goes up slower; as her wetness drains faster she also gets wet faster; as her stomach is bigger, she gets hungry faster. + she has low health. These are already many debuffs I dont agree on the not needing boards, but merely from an RP perspective.Maybe since she knows her way around a board, boards could be unlocked for her as a recipe by default, allowing her to re-craft her surfboard from the start.As for her late game potential, I agree some work needs done there.I do agree the recipe for the surfing board should have boards. Having boards and the surfing board recipes already unlocked sounds good, although she would lose the sanity buff from prototyping Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
quantum_anomaly Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 The only thing I can think of for a later-game item is maybe board wax (a tacky substance used to increase grip of surfboards, generally consisting of a wax, sand or other course material, and essential oils to protect the board). Made from:3 honey1 sand1 coconut (cooked?)Stackable (up to 20)Can only be used on the surfboard.Each use consumes the itemItem image would be a waxy paste inside half a coconut shell Transforms the board in to a "Waxed Board" when used on a surfboard (used like a boat repair kit).Repairs the board 50-100%?Increases the speed of the boardMore durability than a regular board?I dunno, thoughts? I dont want to make it too powerful since it's not incredibly hard to make, but the honey should mean that a player has at least a minor base set up. However I'm having a hard time with the bonuses. Is repair to 100% too much for the ease of getting the item? Since the surfboard is so easy to make 100% repair might be good since otherwise players would just re-craft the board, however they'd end up with a basic board and not a waxed one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 That is not a bad idea but yeah, it sounds too easy to make Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBuizelton Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I love the idea of an upgraded board being able to ride the big waves. I also think it might be cool if bees or their hives started to rarely drop Wax when defeated, which can be used on both boats and surfboards. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 I love the idea of an upgraded board being able to ride the big waves.I also think it might be cool if bees or their hives started to rarely drop Wax when defeated, which can be used on both boats and surfboards.That is a good solution, so that item could be used by other characters too, but maybe have a stronger effect on Walani's surf board Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBuizelton Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 That is a good solution, so that item could be used by other characters too, but maybe have a stronger effect on Walani's surf board The reason I feel inclined to suggest that Wax can be used on boats as well is because, well, not only does it make sense, but it would really be dumb if Wax became an item that dropped, yet only Walani can use it, or, still less desirably, it was somehow an item that only dropped whilst playing as Walani. I don't know that that's a way that Klei/Capy want the game to work so my proposal is simply that wax drops for everyone but is best used on surfboards. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 The reason I feel inclined to suggest that Wax can be used on boats as well is because, well, not only does it make sense, but it would really be dumb if Wax became an item that dropped, yet only Walani can use it, or, still less desirably, it was somehow an item that only dropped whilst playing as Walani. I don't know that that's a way that Klei/Capy want the game to work so my proposal is simply that wax drops for everyone but is best used on surfboards.Yeah, I'm liking the wax idea more and more with this drop fashion. It would make Walani feel really special! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBuizelton Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Yeah, I'm liking the wax idea more and more with this drop fashion. It would make Walani feel really special! Maybe we could make a completely new thread for that specific item suggestion, just to get the idea out there and see if other people like it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 Maybe we could make a completely new thread for that specific item suggestion, just to get the idea out there and see if other people like it. Good idea!@quantum_anomaly your thoughts? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryDead Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I too, agree that new surfboards would be a great idea to make her a more unique character. As mentioned above, I love the concept of her being able to know the recipe for boards off the bat, giving her better early game potential once your starting board inevitably breaks. For custom surfboards, I believe they should keep the gimmick of having low durability, but should offer something in return. As for two ideas I had for a surfboard, the first would probably have immunity to being slowed down by wind as a bit of a novelty thing. The second board idea would maybe be like the default surfboard except with spikes/other painful object on the front which would hurt enemies with direct contact. Anywho, that's all I got for now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
quantum_anomaly Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Instead of having to change drops, make wax craftable from honey. 2-3 honey = 1 wax. If bees have too many drops (honey, stinger, wax) then its harder to get any of the three. Alternatively, "feeding" a hive or beebox honey could result in wax after feeding it 2-3 honey. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61763-the-walani-question/#findComment-704956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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