GuyPerfect Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 As much as I like the hazards in Shipwrecked, I gotta say that they went totally overboard in all the wrong ways and made WX-78 the game's Super Easy Mode™. People were saying Gears are too common as of the December 17 update, so I decided to take the robot for a test drive and... dang, son, we've got some broken game mechanics here. The first thing I noticed was that I could let my bananas or whatever go bad and there would be no hunger penalty. Now that is nice. Short Circuit can easily be a problem for WX-78, especially during Monsoon season. I've been killed by it tons of times in Don't Starve Together games. Fortunately, pairing an Umbrella with a Football Helmet or Pirate Hat is 100% wetness protection, even when walking through puddles believe it or not. Staying dry isn't a big problem, even while wearing a Backpack. Then hurricane season came around and I got struck by lightning like twenty times in the first storm. My row boat became a jet ski and I was cruising the seas night, at speeds approaching mach 1. For someone like me, who likes to clear the fog of war on the minimap, this is just about the most awesome thing ever. Just gotta watch out for those rogue waves. Sure, the sanity was zero all the time, but that's no different from how I usually play... I suppose I have an atypical play style. I pay so little attention to sanity and eat so much Monster Meat that you'd think sanity wasn't a thing. A little extra Nightmare Fuel never hurt anyone. To me, these rapid-fire lightning storms are the best thing since peanut butter. Then some clockwork boats came to my front door with a delivery. They keep coming too, and there seem to be more of them each time. They drop 4 Gears apiece, which I can understand being important for Ice Fling-o-matic or whatever, but it's gotten to the point where I have a surplus of them and can survive on Gears exclusively. No farms, no Crock Pots, no Berry Bushes planted in neat little rows... Just all Gears, all the time. Finally, I had a particularly unfortunate encounter with a Spider Warrior and was very pleased when I got hit and he didn't poison me (I already had a couple Anti Venoms ready to go back by my Chiminea anyway). I couldn't remember if the December 17 update made poison like a 50% chance or whatever, but I later realized what was going on: WX-78 can't be poisoned! Makes sense, but given all of his other advantages, this just seems waaaaay over the top. But I'm not one to complain and walk away. The game is horridly broken for WX-78, and these are the fixes I'd try first:Keep the awesome ocean storm aesthetic in place with all the lightning, but only make one in however many actually produce a lightning bolt. A target rate would be something like 1.25× the normal lightning rate in non-Shipwrecked storms.Floaty Boaty Knights should not just up and spawn out of nowhere. Gears don't need to be an unlimited resource, but being able to grab one or two before you need an Ice Box or Ice Fling-o-matic is always nice. Just have some groups of them spawn around the map at worldgen like Reign of Giants and it should be plenty.I suppose poisoning WX-78 makes no sense, but I'm not especially fond of his immunity. I mean, he eats food like organisms, and that doesn't make sense either, so... Yeah, I'll say it: WX-78 should be poisonable. Think of it like a computer virus or whatever if you have to.Short Circuit probably qualifies as a unique disadvantage during Monsoon season, which I think is good for game balance. Seems a bit easy to overcome, though...These fixes should be pretty simple to implement. But I'm not just saying that... If we as a community can put together a good list of edits that make WX-78 a little less of an automatic win, I will totally make a mod for us to test with. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61730-wait-a-second-hes-also-immune-to-poison/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4T3RGR3NAD3R Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 The mystery of WX Humanity continues... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61730-wait-a-second-hes-also-immune-to-poison/#findComment-704327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giodelmar Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 This is due to Dec 17 Update. Before the update, people were complaining how hard it is to find gears.. Then Klei over did it by making the Floaty Knights more common - they literally show up when you kill an aquatic mob (kill sharks by kiting them near the shore - the next morning you will see the knights) After you kill the knights, they will respawn the next day. It is just crazy. I think it's broken in a lot of ways and like you said you don't really to do/plant anything else you can just live on and keep eating gears. You can't make the knights go away (the one that spawned near the shore)Gives too much gears when you kill themWaste so much time clearing them if you are not WX because the Knights will just re appear the next day on the area Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61730-wait-a-second-hes-also-immune-to-poison/#findComment-704333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangWoodchuck Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 WX-78 may be OP for Shipwrecked, but if you want an easy, but still balanced character to play as in Shipwrecked, I suggest Maxwell. Wetness isn't a problem for him, and he can easily live off of raw seaweed, given his sanity buff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61730-wait-a-second-hes-also-immune-to-poison/#findComment-704356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitboy Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 WX should be posion-able. Just pretend that venom corrupts his mechanisms or something. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61730-wait-a-second-hes-also-immune-to-poison/#findComment-704389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talavaj Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Shall they nerf Boaty Knights you will see how happy you will be that he is immune to poison, AKA has at least something going for him in SW that isn't a penalty. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61730-wait-a-second-hes-also-immune-to-poison/#findComment-704431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swabbleman Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I'm pretty sure they even had an ingame reason for it when he could still be poisoned in his description of antivenom, like "REMOVES SYSTEM CONTAMINATIONS" or something like that. I honestly never understood why people complained about the difficulty of playing as WX-78 in Shipwrecked when you could always just go FULL-INSANITY-SUPER-CHARGE-JETSKI-GOD-MODE, surviving on raw seaweed when sanity doesn't matter anyway. As for the gear issue the main problem is that all the gears are concentrated in a single spot on the map. Instead they could probably do it like in RoG where some of the teleportato parts were guarded by clockworks. Maybe just put the teleportato-set pieces on little islands and place about two clockworks near each of them much like how they are guarding the wooden thing island already. If they do that however, I feel like they need to reduce how many gears each of them drop, maybe about 1 or 2, and they should stop spawning randomly. Seems like the best balance for everyone, remember that you can sometimes find extra gears in treasure chests and the slot machine (not to mention the fact that they are SUPPOSED to be somewhat rare). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61730-wait-a-second-hes-also-immune-to-poison/#findComment-704432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyPerfect Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 [...] has at least something going for him in SW that isn't a penalty.My argument is that Short Circuit is WX's only penalty in Shipwrecked, and that's only partially true because you can keep your feet completely dry with a hat and a hand accessory. There's no reason he should have Super Food™ handed to him on a silver platter. There's no reason he should get Mega Buff™ on the hour every hour during Hurricane season. There's no reason he should be immune to poison. Recall that he already ignores food spoilage penalties. I understand that certain game balance considerations necessitate a perk for each disadvantage and vice-vera, but WX-78 effectively has no disadvantages. Only perks. Dial back on those and he falls much more in line with the other characters. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61730-wait-a-second-hes-also-immune-to-poison/#findComment-704502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eusouopapao Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I think the solution is to put few knights back to land and put some on sea. The problem before update was that the sea is too big to find one thing specifically( the knights location).The sea in my opinion is good to hide things perfect place to make them rare. My ideia is to put a limited number of knights in land since land is way easier to find and an illimited amout at sea with like few chance of spawning maybe back to the old version. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61730-wait-a-second-hes-also-immune-to-poison/#findComment-704527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rily Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Wx can't be poisoned, he can eat rotten food then it doesn't have sense, I like the idea from a computer virus but how he can be infected of that?, maybe he could be oxidable to have a new disadvantage, a state where he becomes more and more slower to compensate the extra speed for lightning, I don't played shipwrecked yet but I saw how speed you are with a row boat, I can only imagine how speed you are as wx with overcharge. Anyway, this isn't together, so, maybe is not necessary a perfect balance between characters, I mean, in RoG wigfrid was pretty broken but thats why she was the most expensive character to unlock, it was fun to play as wigfrid and be OP, however I would like to see Wx oxidable Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/61730-wait-a-second-hes-also-immune-to-poison/#findComment-704546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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