Boat torch should not be initially available to create

[n231296]

Boat torch should not be initially available to create. At first I thought it was a bug - I can't put the torch on the raft. Also I watched the video walkthrough, the player died because he couldn't use the torch. He was killed by the darkness. He didn't understand how to use it.Also I can't use a torch before I will invent the scientific machine. Since the torch can only postal a boat. For the invention of the boat you need a science machine.

[NikMik]

Because why would someone who already knows how to make a torch, need a machine to learn how to shove that torch onto a longer stick?

[n231296]

Boat torch should not be accessible initially. It is unclear how to use it. Because initially you can't build a boat. The torch can be set only on the boat.

[mitboy]

Because why would someone who already knows how to make a torch, need a machine to learn how to shove that torch onto a longer stick?

Why would someone need a machine to learn how to make a shovel if he can already make axe and pickaxe?

[RayramAB]

Boats can randomly spawn in the map pre-made. This is probably the reason why you can craft a boat torch before you can craft an actual boat.

[NikMik]

Why would someone need a machine to learn how to make a shovel if he can already make axe and pickaxe?

I'm of the party who thinks the shovel should also be unlocked initially.

[ThePurplePanda]

I don't think this is really important. Boat torch is good to keep on exploring the map with your boat at night. But you can only put this torch on boats unlocked by the science machine (rafts don't own a slot for torch). So, even if the boat torch is unlockable with the science machine, it wouldn't change anything, just to unlock it when you just craft your first boat.

[mitboy]

I don't think this is really important. Boat torch is good to keep on exploring the map with your boat at night. But you can only put this torch on boats unlocked by the science machine (rafts don't own a slot for torch). So, even if the boat torch is unlockable with the science machine, it wouldn't change anything, just to unlock it when you just craft your first boat.

Some people died because they didn't know how to use it.

[Kuirem]

I'm of the party who thinks the shovel should also be unlocked initially.

If you look at the crafting system in Don't Starve from a logic point of view there is just too much incoherence : Putting a Bush on your head demand the highest Science tiers. The Spear was probably one of the first human tool but somehow Wilson is able to make an Axe and Pickaxe before it, etc.

 

But from a game logic point of view it makes sense, the Spear is a higher tier of weapon so you have access to it later. Same for the Boat Torch, yes it is just a longer stick but it does not make sense to unlock it before being able to use it. I too was confused by this craft I was not able to use so I think it could really be pushed into Science Machine tier. The same argument exist for the Sandcastle.

 

Also for Shipwrecked the Shovel is used to gather some basic resources (Sand, Magma Pile) so it could be nice to have it earlier, especially since it can take forever to find gold for a Science Machine.

[n231296]

I too was confused by this craft I was not able to use so I think it could really be pushed into Science Machine tier. 

Yes. I can do boat torch, but I can't use it. There is no logic.

[NikMik]

If you look at the crafting system in Don't Starve from a logic point of view there is just too much incoherence : Putting a Bush on your head demand the highest Science tiers. The Spear was probably one of the first human tool but somehow Wilson is able to make an Axe and Pickaxe before it, etc.

 

But from a game logic point of view it makes sense, the Spear is a higher tier of weapon so you have access to it later. Same for the Boat Torch, yes it is just a longer stick but it does not make sense to unlock it before being able to use it. I too was confused by this craft I was not able to use so I think it could really be pushed into Science Machine tier. The same argument exist for the Sandcastle.

 

Also for Shipwrecked the Shovel is used to gather some basic resources (Sand, Magma Pile) so it could be nice to have it earlier, especially since it can take forever to find gold for a Science Machine.

But, here's the thing:

 

Sure, you can get it before the boat. But way I think of it is:

You're in your boat, and night! You can just shove a stick to your torch without needing to visit a science machine first!

 

Or you can just use a torch and sit still because navigating with the boat-torch is near impossible.

 

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Eh. I can understand why game-logic-wise, it'd make sense to have to unlock it.

[TMJJack]

I thought it was weird that I could build a boat torch before I built a boat as well. I think that it should require a science machine for no other reason than logical progression.

[JYM]

I think the boat torch may be a joke made by the developers. I died as well at the my first day of my game trying to use it on a raft. After that I realized that the BOAT torch works only on boats.

 

I agree that the boat torch is a bit useless at the start, but it isn't a big deal to have unlocked for its craft already, is it?

 

A normal torch, and a boat torch aren't enough for a night, but a torch and using it at its 5% or less to craft a boat torch is enough. I don't want to craft a new torch and return to my base which could be far away just to unlock the recipe with my old torch, or to waste a new torch (100%) on the recipe.