Nerf to summer watering can strategy

[DVGMedia]

So within the past update with the thermic tools; there was a nerf to thermal stones getting cooling from sources that are not the standard heating and cooling methods. 

Primarially the water splash cooling that occurs from flingos waterballoons the water pump and also the water can. 

Each one is supposed to lower temperature by 5 degrees.  But if there is any sort of winter insulation that gets reduced by the amount of insulation. 

Since thermals have 120 insulation that makes it so that you lose temperature at a 20% rate.  Thermals also only get a 20 percent rate back from these splash effects now.  meaning you only get 1 degree of cooling on a thermal vs the 5 that it used to be.  requireing you at least 3 full water cans in order to fully cool down a thermal for summer. 
 

[Mike23Ua]

Only someone playing on PC using a bunch of mods would even know this information, for everyone else they’re highly unlikely to even notice the change. I can say that I have personally never used a water can to cool a thermal stone I just use a cheap Endo fire or shove it over into a fridge or duck into and resurface out of the cave tunnel. I do not think this change is worth reverting.

[Wawchik]

Not that I ever used it but ok I guess, thanks for letting us know 

[AliceShiki]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Only someone playing on PC using a bunch of mods would even know this information, for everyone else they’re highly unlikely to even notice the change. I can say that I have personally never used a water can to cool a thermal stone I just use a cheap Endo fire or shove it over into a fridge or duck into and resurface out of the cave tunnel. I do not think this change is worth reverting.

This has nothing to do with playing on PC or using mods.

This is simply people looking at the game files and seeing the change. You just need to know how to read code to find those things out.

[YouKnowWho142]

This isn’t really a bad thing, it’s hard to be mad at them nerfing or removing things that are obviously exploits

[RubLog6]

I hate it.

Theres limited eyebrellas and luxury fans to go around. 

I don't want to be stuck at base swapping thermal stones at the ice box or at a firepit.

I don't want to spend summer in the caves.

How many people actuallly go out of their way to collect nitre... which is pretty limited on the surface. Not a lot of people manage to find fumarole and hence boulderbough trees either.

At least in winter I could just light a tree on fire. Now I have to carry grass and nitre (still a fairly limited resource in a big server) and set endo fires and wait around if I want to travel about on the surface.

If this was solo ds or duo world... fine, I have an eyebrella and luxury fans to spare. For ds specifically, I have chester for inventory so I could use a summer frest or floral shirt. Heck, I could just chill in the shanty or head to hamlet/sw.

I've been playing in lights out so I'm unable to deduce how much this affects regular gameplay since summer and overheating is nerfed here.

On the contrary, I think it's (extremely) easy to be mad at this change.

Edit: I might be a mildly impolite in my comment I apologise for that; also, completely forgot that mooncaller is a thing, so there's that I guess.

Edited Saturday at 01:30 AM by RubLog6

[AliceShiki]

28 minutes ago, RubLog6 said:

At least in winter I could just light a tree on fire. Now I have to carry grass and nitre (still a fairly limited resource in a big server) and set endo fires and wait around if I want to travel about on the surface.

You could try using a Floral Shirt, then swapping to a Chilled Amulet as needed? Seems like the least resource-intensive way if you cannot have an Ice Chester with you to swap Thermal Stones with (which well, you probably won't have in a multiplayer server).

But yes, lowering temperature in Summer isn't as convenient as heating up in Winter, so it's more annoying, but it's not like there aren't ways to solve it that don't require a Thermal Stone.

[Walrusst]

You know part of me wants a ladle because one of those things you can do to stretch out the utility of your body heat is just paddling too hard to get wet on a raft or something. Yes you burn wood like a crazy person but wetness is coldness.

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, AliceShiki said:

This has nothing to do with playing on PC or using mods.

This is simply people looking at the game files and seeing the change. You just need to know how to read code to find those things out.

Not about playing on PC, then mentions looking at game files, which I do not think are possible anywhere else outside of PC.  My point was that no one is going to even notice this change from just playing the game.

[DegenerateFurry]

1 hour ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

This isn’t really a bad thing, it’s hard to be mad at them nerfing or removing things that are obviously exploits

Sometimes exploits are good for the gameplay experience. I've never personally used this one so I can't say if I think it is or not, but exploit does not equal bad.

[DVGMedia]

1 hour ago, RubLog6 said:

I've been playing in lights out so I'm unable to deduce how much this affects regular gameplay since summer and overheating is nerfed here.

during the summer the player gets free 60 summerinsulation during dusk and 120 insulation during the night

[AliceShiki]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Not about playing on PC, then mentions looking at game files, which I do not think are possible anywhere else outside of PC.  My point was that no one is going to even notice this change from just playing the game.

This has nothing to do with playing on PC because this doesn't require booting up the game at all. It's just looking at the game files.

And yeah, people usually look at game files on PC because it's way more convenient, but you could do it on your phone too. The game is made on lua, a notepad can open that.

I dunno a thing about how browsing stuff on Xbox works, but modern consoles tend to have some PC functions, so I wouldn't be surprised if you'd be able to look at them on Xbox too.

As for noticing it while playing... The specifics you probably wouldn't notice, but the fact it takes a lot more water than before should probably be easy to notice, since it consumes 5x more water than before, so like... Yeah, that is pretty noticeable. I think most people that actually watered their Thermal Stones would notice that it takes more water now, even if they wouldn't know how much more water is needed.

[Popian]

4 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Only someone playing on PC using a bunch of mods would even know this information, for everyone else they’re highly unlikely to even notice the change.

I do A before the update.

I try A after the update. I notice a change.

I keep doing A until I get something similar to the original outcome to approximate the difference, and verify it if I choose.

No mods or looking into the code required, but those things can help with faster discovery.

 

1 hour ago, RubLog6 said:

I don't want to be stuck at base swapping thermal stones at the ice box or at a firepit.

You can build multiple ice boxes and stones at points of interest and swap on the go. Bring a hammer and some gold with a prebuilt box to cool your stone down while you are spending time in an area.

Moon Callers' are also good for the portability.

[Walrusst]

Honestly its sort of besides the point of us debating whether or not it should be gone, if the nerf was unintended due to back end spaghetti code then the old strategy where you could cool a thermal stone using roughly 2/3rds a watering can was a strategy the devs respected and it will be restored probably now that the complaint has happened.

If the nerf was intended us begging to get it revoked is probably not going to work.

The old state was spending like 30 actions to sort of emulate having a second thermal stone and a half... Like. It was dubiously useful before so the nerf sort of feels like it might be the spaghetti code issue? It wasn't strong, a change would be senseless. I'm not sold on it being a deliberate nerf.

[RubLog6]

2 hours ago, Popian said:

You can build multiple ice boxes and stones at points of interest and swap on the go. Bring a hammer and some gold with a prebuilt box to cool your stone down while you are spending time in an area.

Moon Callers' are also good for the portability.

Since I was not very explicit, I'll reiterate... this is don't starve TOGETHER. There can be multiple people in the server. Gears are limited early on... well unless you farmed shadowpieces and then chesspieces.

By first summer. You can probably get a max of 4-5 mooncaller staffs (who will realistically actually max this out? lmao, you also have to take into account how many star callers, and magis you want to make for the server). 1 on day 11, 2 on day 31, 1-2 on day 51. 

2 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

This has nothing to do with playing on PC because this doesn't require booting up the game at all. It's just looking at the game files.

 

Alice, you have to understand Mike is only able to browse, chat and engage with us on the forums using his console.

Edited Saturday at 04:34 AM by RubLog6

[somethin]

Do people not use the luxury fan for summer..? If you use it with an eyebrella one use will keep you cool for around a day and a half. No weird watering cans mechanics needed. 

Edited Saturday at 04:59 AM by somethin

[RubLog6]

15 minutes ago, somethin said:

Do people not use the luxury fan for summer..? If you use it with an eyebrella one use will keep you cool for around a day and a half. No weird watering cans mechanics needed. 

How many people do you play with?

Before you hit me with the, "but killing every moose and her moslings on the surface will provide ample feathers": how many of your friends will follow you and help you with killing every moose in the world? Forget your friends for a moment. Even if they are teamwork oriented how many people in public servers you join will do the same as your buddies? Do you want to constantly be the one farming resources for everyone else? Do you wish to spend the entire spring just killing goose and her babies? 

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 05:18 AM by RubLog6

[Baark0]

This just means that Ice Chester is more useful than Shadow Chester. Granted thats not saying much since Ice Chester has pretty much always been better, but I'll take any opportunity to glaze Ice Chester for being the summer ignoring champion that he is.

[ALCRD]

I didn't even know you could cool a thermal stone with watering can.

[linabagel]

12 hours ago, DVGMedia said:

Primarially the water splash cooling that occurs from flingos waterballoons the water pump and also the water can. 

Is this update specifically aimed at the modifications of these items, or is it a result of the extended influence brought about by Thermic Tools? 

If it is the latter case, perhaps the developers will modify these contents in the next version update. Just as they had previously improved the temperature mechanism of the Ice Crystaleyezer's range.

Although I myself have hardly ever used this mechanism, I still hope to retain more options.

Edited Saturday at 09:41 AM by linabagel

[Edible Coal]

tbh summer cooling isnt that hard , u got like melon hat and ice hats

[Jakepeng99]

25 minutes ago, Edible Coal said:

tbh summer cooling isnt that hard , u got like melon hat and ice hats

Its much harder than Winter since burning trees doesnt exist.

[Mysterious box]

Honestly anything to lower dependence on thermal stones even a bit so people are more willing to try various alternatives feels like a net positive to me.

[Cruvimaster]

Who knows, maybe someday the devs will allow us to use these items without having to put the backpack aside. The fact is, the thermal stone easily solves the game's temperature issues.

It's a good thing Pearl provided a consistent late-game alternative to the Thermal Stone. Still, it remains questionable to have items in the game that are good but impractical due to the loss of 14 backpack slots.

[mima_]

8 hours ago, RubLog6 said:

How many people do you play with?

Before you hit me with the, "but killing every moose and her moslings on the surface will provide ample feathers": how many of your friends will follow you and help you with killing every moose in the world? Forget your friends for a moment. Even if they are teamwork oriented how many people in public servers you join will do the same as your buddies? Do you want to constantly be the one farming resources for everyone else? Do you wish to spend the entire spring just killing goose and her babies? 

i think u underestimate how strong is luxury fan + insulated clothing even if u use desert googles (120 insulation points) u wont even used all fan durability for entire duration of summer.
also u can fan in large area put out all fire nearby even cool each people that near u. so if you go around with friend and one start overheating just fan once together and all could get their temp lower by 50 degree. 
u can just run and trap the babies on the edge or just place few sign+wall to trap them from escaping to kill it without killing the mother so u can get 2-3 feather each mossling killed.
even u can kill bunch of them by afk when frog rain hit XD 
i dont think feather is a problem. the problem is people dont know how to UTILIZE this item properly ^^ 

Edited Saturday at 01:41 PM by mima_