Wanda skill tree (PLEASE KLEI)

[Hi.]

I know it's a lot to ask for but if they could somehow make a wanda skill tree this year that would be amazing. But PLEASE only focus on rift content wanda, we don't need early wanda to be any more powerful.

[Ugur01]

There's too much rift content, and the shadow arc update is coming. It's the right time. 

[kroban]

I agree, I think it should be Webber, Wanda and Warly this year, they are all in a pretty bad spot currently. Webber still is the lag machine with crappy followers, Wanda post-rift is pretty much a no-hit challenge with low damage, and Warly has terrible drawbacks on top of his Volt Goat and Pepper spice having nerfed damage on post-rift

Edited September 3, 2025 by kroban
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[Hungry French]

5 hours ago, Hi. said:

Я знаю, что прошу многого, но было бы здорово, если бы в этом году они каким-то образом добавили древо навыков Ванды. Но, ПОЖАЛУЙСТА, сосредоточьтесь только на контенте Ванды в разломе, нам не нужно, чтобы ранняя Ванда стала ещё сильнее.

Asking Klei not to make Wanda stronger? It's crazy in 2025...

The point of the trees is to make the characters stronger. And another point is that the character would gain experience OVER TIME, but Klei remembered that this is DST and they decided not to add linear growth and give people a choice...
Skill Tree would be much better if you always started with 0 experience and gradually grew to master all skills, but this It took a lot of time... + it would be nice to have more... balanced skills... This is especially true with skills with DAMAGE...

3 hours ago, kroban said:

I agree, I think it should be Webber, Wanda and Warly this year, they are all in a pretty bad spot currently. Webber still is the lag machine with crappy followers, Wanda post-rift is pretty much a no-hit challenge with low damage, and Warly has terrible drawbacks on top of his Volt Goat and Pepper spice having nerfed damage on post-rift

The characters are already strong enough... Too much from my point of view.

[SuperPsiPower]

I 200% agree with a Wanda skill tree over the others right now especially when Wortox can do everything she does but way more efficiently, not to mention the mess he leaves behind as he massacres entire killer bee fields. Her clocks are currently unfun to use and ironically too time consuming to make and carry around which is why you seldom see any Wanda players on a server these days. Maxwell, Wanda, Wicker and WX-78 deserve skill trees far more than Webber or Warly. Why? because playing them is a chore, a bore and a snore.

For example: I rush ruins for time pieces or restore a celestial portal for more which takes a long time to do depending on how fast you can locate things. Meanwhile it's day 3 on the surface and Wortox is reviving, teleporting players long before it's winter, when I can finally obtain a tusk to do something he can do with little to no effort. Wortox has his uses but completely overshadows her

Therefore, she has no value being played other than getting more utility from shadow aligned objects which is also big detriment to her as she can only utilize this when she is middle aged, there is no benefit for her having perfect health which contradicts her entire Age/Health benefit that can be awfully difficult to manage at times when i have 3 ageless clocks on a 4 minute cooldown during a boss fight. Also when she is present on the server, the burden of making Tier 1/2 magic typically falls on her as she gains massive benefit from it but that is currently all she has going for her.

Edited September 4, 2025 by SuperPsiPower

[Radicaljoe]

14 hours ago, kroban said:

I agree, I think it should be Webber, Wanda and Warly this year, they are all in a pretty bad spot currently. Webber still is the lag machine with crappy followers, Wanda post-rift is pretty much a no-hit challenge with low damage, and Warly has terrible drawbacks on top of his Volt Goat and Pepper spice having nerfed damage on post-rift

No, we can't survive another triple tree. Every time we have a triple tree something bad happens.

Also, WX/Webber/Warly should not share a tree update together ever. They all need personal attention that if 2 of them were in 1 update, neither would get the total attention they need.

[Edible Coal]

3 minutes ago, Radicaljoe said:

No, we can't survive another triple tree. Every time we have a triple tree something bad happens.

Also, WX/Webber/Warly should not share a tree update together ever. They all need personal attention that if 2 of them were in 1 update, neither would get the total attention they need.

i think wx/warly(or webber) skill tree would be the perfect fit ngl

19 minutes ago, SuperPsiPower said:

I 200% agree with a Wanda skill tree over the others right now especially when Wortox can do everything she does but way more efficiently, not to mention the mess he leaves behind as he massacres entire killer bee fields. Her clocks are currently unfun to use and ironically too time consuming to make and carry around which is why you seldom see any Wanda players on a server these days. Maxwell, Wanda and Wicker deserve skill trees far more than Webber or Warly. Why? because playing them is a chore, a bore and a snore

For example: I rush ruins for time pieces or restore a celestial portal for more which takes a long time to do depending on how fast you can locate things. Meanwhile it's day 3 on the surface and Wortox is reviving, teleporting players long before it's winter, when I can finally obtain a tusk to do something he can do with little to no effort. Wortox has his uses but completely overshadows her

Therefore, she has no value being played other than getting more utility from shadow aligned objects which is also big detriment to her as she can only utilize this when she is middle aged, there is no benefit for her having perfect health which contradicts her entire Age/Health benefit that can be awfully difficult to manage at times when i have 3 ageless clocks on a 4 minute cooldown during a boss fight. Also when she is present on the server, the burden of making Tier 1/2 magic typically falls on her as she gains massive benefit from it but that is currently all she has going for her.

this statement is weird, the whole point of wanda is the fact that she does 143 dmg with a 2 unit weapon, getting a tier two magic within 5 days is not a super hard task, shes also one of the best user for dread armor. not to mention her teleport clock can cross shards

[Picklesaurus]

1 minute ago, Radicaljoe said:

No, we can't survive another triple tree. Every time we have a triple tree something bad happens.

On one hand you are  right, but on the other hand... it would be really funny to see it happen a third time... 🤔

[SuperPsiPower]

18 minutes ago, Edible Coal said:

i think wx/warly(or webber) skill tree would be the perfect fit ngl

this statement is weird, the whole point of wanda is the fact that she does 143 dmg with a 2 unit weapon, getting a tier two magic within 5 days is not a super hard task, shes also one of the best user for dread armor. not to mention her teleport clock can cross shards

she's boring to play when another character shuts down both her benefits and this statement is weirder when reviving someone a shard away in the darkness usually results in them dying again after they took all that time to find her when wortox can instantly poof to where they are. who cares about how much damage she does when she needs to be vulnerable to get high value from it? it's a terrible design and as I said what is the point of making an expensive rift watch a season later when he can do that with 10 petty souls at any time?

Edited September 4, 2025 by SuperPsiPower

[Terser]

40 minutes ago, SuperPsiPower said:

who cares about how much damage she does when she needs to be vulnerable to get high value from it? it's a terrible design

imo it's a great design, or it would have been if it actually worked properly, pre rift wanda still takes very little damage (takes 8 fuelweaver hits to kill her with night armor) and deals about as much dmg as wolfgang without alignment boost, but post rift she deals way less than wolfgang and dies in 1-2 hits from most planar enemies

i think they should just add a skill that gives her planar damage with shadow weapons that would be inversely proportional to her defense (less defense = more dmg, so least damage with night armor and most damage with football helm/void cowl/armorless), this would bring her closer to being a glass cannon instead of just tanky & high damage pre rift and fragile & low damage post rift

Edited September 4, 2025 by Terser

[SilverSpoon]

15 hours ago, kroban said:

I agree, I think it should be Webber, Wanda and Warly this year, they are all in a pretty bad spot currently. Webber still is the lag machine with crappy followers, Wanda post-rift is pretty much a no-hit challenge with low damage, and Warly has terrible drawbacks on top of his Volt Goat and Pepper spice having nerfed damage on post-rift

I've been wanting to ask, what does that signature of yours specifically mean?

I’m hoping it’s mean something that, if I did the same thing during their skill-tree update, wouldn’t disrespect people or run afoul of the community guidelines.

Edited September 4, 2025 by SilverSpoon

[GrapeVruit]

If I had to guess an order for the remaining trees it would be WX-78 and Wickerbottom, followed by Webber, Warly, and Wes, and ending with Wanda and Maxwell.

I feel Klei would save Wanda and Max for last as they probably see them as strong enough characters while having kits that benefit from using shadow magic. Their trees have the potential to be the strongest out of the entire cast, imo, so they'd want to save the best for last.

This is all just from a gut feeling, though. Heck, I only put Warly, Wes, and Webber together because the first two are French and Webber can easily collect monster meat to use in the crockpots. Even if I believe Warly, Webber, or WX really need a tree sooner than the others, it's Klei who chooses the next lineup. (Plus I also predicted the order for the remaining refreshes in the 2022 roadmap and got it spot on, so maybe this time it'll be the same??)

3 hours ago, SuperPsiPower said:

 Maxwell, Wanda, Wicker and WX-78 deserve skill trees far more than Webber or Warly. Why? because playing them is a chore, a bore and a snore. 

I can understand the reasons for Wanda, especially when it comes to her teleports being power creept with skill trees and surviving in a post-rift world, but the other 3 characters you listed aren't in desperate need of a tree, as they're all pretty strong.

WX-78's circuits allow him to have a great amount of utility, with night vision, weather immunity, and speed being standouts, Wickerbottom's a Swiss army knife who has a book for most situations, whether be growing food and plants, summoning followers for combat, stopping and starting rain, or even creating full-moon nights, and Maxwell is, well, Maxwell. With all the things he can do, such as caging monsters, summoning up to 6 minions to do chores and fight for you, and having access to a 12 slot storage space, he's basically a character with a skilltree baked into his kit. 

In my eyes, these characters have a lot going for them, and aren't currently in need of a skill tree at the moment. 

[kroban]

6 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

I've been wanting to ask, what does that signature of yours specifically mean?

I’m hoping it’s mean something that, if I did the same thing during their skill-tree update, wouldn’t disrespect people or run afoul of the community guidelines.

To be honest? Its mostly a leftover meme from the past skill tree update, I finished watching Cobra Kai at that point and I think the quote goes hard. But its not like im actively making posts against the Wendy players or something. And I don't hate Wendy as a character.

That said, yes, I do hate what happened on the forum during that skill tree update, and how a lot of Wendy players disrespected and trashed on the devs, specially Jason, some even getting personal and all that. Which is why I decided to leave the signature as it is

Edited September 4, 2025 by kroban

[Guihhza]

I am really hoping for a change to rift watch's crafting recipe, I feel like a walrus tusk is way too much when compared to the cost and availability of Wortox/Winona teleports. Maybe two orange gems instead? it would make sense thematically and giving orange gems a new use is great.

Some upgrades to her watches using lateish game materials would be awesome too, namely some heavy planar damage added to the Alarming Clock on her Elderly form to justify constantly being bellow 38 HP and having her terrible healing restriction downside. Hopefully there is also some fun novel stuff envolving time/space shenanigans.

[SilverSpoon]

On 9/5/2025 at 2:13 AM, kroban said:

That said, yes, I do hate what happened on the forum during that skill tree update, and how a lot of Wendy players disrespected and trashed on the devs, specially Jason, some even getting personal and all that. Which is why I decided to leave the signature as it is

Edit: Resolved. Thank you @kroban, You saved me... As a party involved, I will always keep your admonition in mind.

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I understand your respect for the developers and your anger at the disrespect shown toward them. I’m not sure how you see me, but I feel the same way and likewise tried to curb disrespect toward the developers. I can provide evidence if needed.

With that in mind, may I please that you change your signature, for the developers’ sake as well? That developers and community managers tell the community in the Community Standards Policy:

1.Have fun!
2.Be respectful.
3.Don’t be a jerk.
4.Stay on topic.

To me, your signature doesn’t align with these. In particular, calling out Wendy players by name to assign and blaming doesn’t seem to have a positive effect on the developers or the community. For example, if I were to make my own signature that pointed to the Chinese hates at the time and accused the community and Klei of being racist, it would not serve as a good admonition, it would create further discommunication. Furthermore, anyone who sees your signature also includes Wendy Player, who had no disrespect for the developer at the time or who is not involved.

I realize I may not have much standing to say this, since I myself sometimes refer back to those events, especially the Chinese Hate back then. I do think it’s legitimate when disrespect toward the developers resurfaces, you bring them up and admonition disrespect toward developers.
However, even when that isn’t happening yet, if those references keep always reminding and pressuring both Wendy players and also not Wendy players, we’ll be dragged back to that time again and again, and we won’t be able to move forward. And, in fact, that’s what happens to me every time I see that signature.

So, could I please ask you to change your signature?

Edited September 6, 2025 by SilverSpoon

[Cruvimaster]

Wanda has become very outdated. She was innovative back then, but that's in the past. Wortox was just a Walking Cane when Wanda arrived, then Klei modified his teleportation (rework), and today it's the best there is: Teleportation killing bees on day 1. Wanda's teleportation is expensive and time-consuming.

Wilson is much better than Wanda for the WARBOT/SCION fight. I didn't say Wolfgang, I said W I L S O N.

I have one with 4,000 days with Wanda, but I would never start another world with her. Very slow progress, many downsides.

[Cheggf]

Notoriously powerful early game Wanda who has perks like "Most of Wolfgang's damage bonus but it only applies to a few weapons" and, um.... She can revive people in public servers slightly easier, I guess.

[Tigris Nano]

On 9/3/2025 at 11:00 PM, Hi. said:

I know it's a lot to ask for but if they could somehow make a wanda skill tree this year that would be amazing. But PLEASE only focus on rift content wanda, we don't need early wanda to be any more powerful

There should be time pieces craft skills similar to walter or wendy (more items on craft), rift clock cd reduction skills, skills that give middle age or elder wanda planar dmg for planar weapons (because age dmg modifier just suffers against planar entities right now). Ability to fuel alarm clock with pure horror to gain planar dmg buff would also be nice. And clock container item and names for rift watches. Thats all wanda needs at this moment.

Also I wish klei changed rift watch craft recipe a bit because a) tusks are winter only thing b) they are not 100% drop c) you must be harmful for other players on server if you wish to have tp clocks. 

[Echsrick]

there is a spider and a cook in more need of that then wanda

[Hollow soul 3]

On 9/4/2025 at 8:08 AM, SuperPsiPower said:

I 200% agree with a Wanda skill tree over the others right now especially when Wortox can do everything she does but way more efficiently, not to mention the mess he leaves behind as he massacres entire killer bee fields. Her clocks are currently unfun to use and ironically too time consuming to make and carry around which is why you seldom see any Wanda players on a server these days. Maxwell, Wanda, Wicker and WX-78 deserve skill trees far more than Webber or Warly. Why? because playing them is a chore, a bore and a snore.

For example: I rush ruins for time pieces or restore a celestial portal for more which takes a long time to do depending on how fast you can locate things. Meanwhile it's day 3 on the surface and Wortox is reviving, teleporting players long before it's winter, when I can finally obtain a tusk to do something he can do with little to no effort. Wortox has his uses but completely overshadows her

Kind of worth mentioning, she has the ability to teleport underground from over world. Those jars take time as well. With the net being a essential grab for the jars, a good wortox cleans up after himself. Burn piles work great for stingers. Her DPS is still better in most situations as well, unless you bring some bugs to the fight. He's also pretty dependent on a decent world gen. She uses most resources once, and then has a cool down. You can also turn on the Christmas event for an early walking cane.

But PLEASE give her a skill tree. She does actually need it at this point. Webber and Maxwell though for the theme. Cook needs it, but he needs some Walter attention. Definitely deserves to be the focus between him and balloon boy.

[Yun1984]

Does anyone know when it will be updated?

[SuperPsiPower]

On 9/5/2025 at 9:15 PM, Hollow soul 3 said:

Kind of worth mentioning, she has the ability to teleport underground from over world. Those jars take time as well. With the net being a essential grab for the jars, a good wortox cleans up after himself. Burn piles work great for stingers. Her DPS is still better in most situations as well, unless you bring some bugs to the fight. He's also pretty dependent on a decent world gen. She uses most resources once, and then has a cool down. You can also turn on the Christmas event for an early walking cane.

But PLEASE give her a skill tree. She does actually need it at this point. Webber and Maxwell though for the theme. Cook needs it, but he needs some Walter attention. Definitely deserves to be the focus between him and balloon boy.

something worth noting as I was finally able to play a server with some cool people (1000+ days) her biggest issue is dealing with planar damage and she has no defense against it so 1 hit is usually fatal 😕 

[Hollow soul 3]

On 9/12/2025 at 4:15 AM, SuperPsiPower said:

something worth noting as I was finally able to play a server with some cool people (1000+ days) her biggest issue is dealing with planar damage and she has no defense against it so 1 hit is usually fatal 😕 

 Yeah, that's pretty valid. Even with a glass cannon, a little wiggle room is still pretty essential in case of lag. 

[Hollow soul 3]

A Wanda main also pointed out to me "it's stupid to play the glass cannon, when everyone else just gets to play the cannon"

[Dingle]

I stopped playing Wanda (previously maining her) not long after moonstorms came out. Last memory I have of playing her was dying inside of a moonstorm in winter. She really seemed to get left behind by all the planar content.