Wanda skill tree (PLEASE KLEI)

[Hungry French]

On 20.09.2025 at 23:25, Hollow soul 3 said:

Один из фанатов Ванды также сказал мне: «Глупо играть за стеклянную пушку, когда все остальные играют за пушку»

Wanda is not a glass cannon... A glass cannon dies with 1 hit and can't be repaired or is very difficult to repair.
And Wanda in her shadow armor is VERY durable and can also restore her age...

On 9/21/2025 at 4:59 PM, Dingle said:

I stopped playing Wanda (previously maining her) not long after moonstorms came out. Last memory I have of playing her was dying inside of a moonstorm in winter. She really seemed to get left behind by all the planar content.

The planar content is perfect... The characters should be soft before rifts as the rifts.

AFK standing with the ability to tank 20 boss hits for other characters... It's not cool...

[Hollow soul 3]

1 hour ago, Hungry French said:

Wanda is not a glass cannon... A glass cannon dies with 1 hit and can't be repaired or is very difficult to repair.
And Wanda in her shadow armor is VERY durable and can also restore her age...

The planar content is perfect... The characters should be soft before rifts as the rifts.

AFK standing with the ability to tank 20 boss hits for other characters... It's not cool...

Maybe a language barrier, but a glass cannon is just a low HP high damage build. You're restricting it well beyond the definition of the phrase. You're also basing your definition on "one hit". Thats incorrect. While a character with one hp could definitely be a glass cannon, one hit is not a measurement. Don't take my word for it, google will confirm.

[Cruvimaster]

On 9/20/2025 at 5:25 PM, Hollow soul 3 said:

A Wanda main also pointed out to me "it's stupid to play the glass cannon, when everyone else just gets to play the cannon"

The problem I see is that Wanda isn't a cannon after so many years of reworks and skill trees for other characters.

For example, Wolfgang always had higher damage per second than Wanda. This increased significantly with the rework and subsequent skill tree. So Wolfgang has always been the true cannon with zero downsides.

Wilson, with planar alignment, deals practically the same damage as Wanda against Scion and has almost no chance of dying.

Wigfrid deals more damage than Wanda after the rework + skill tree with her new weapon and even has an ability that deals more damage to planar enemies, in addition to defense.

So what advantage does this so-called "cannon Wanda" really have? She has no special damage, and her teleportation is the worst of the three characters.

Much is said about damage, but Wilson takes down the same bosses within a short time of each other. On the other hand, having 200 HP and an "infinite" healing system in your inventory makes all the difference in these fights.

[Dingle]

1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said:

The problem I see is that Wanda isn't a cannon after so many years of reworks and skill trees for other characters.

So what advantage does this so-called "cannon Wanda" really have? She has no special damage, and her teleportation is the worst of the three characters. 

I agreed with all of this except the teleporter part. I like all the teleporter characters' teleportation systems. They have different strengths and weaknesses.

I do hope that Wanda gets something like a "make one only" early teleport point in her skill tree, though. It would be nice to have something before you get your tusk farm going.

[Cruvimaster]

The real power in DST was never raw damage numbers, but rather the strong health and healing system. A character who fights with 200 health has a huge advantage over one who needs to stay at 17 health just to remain in “glass cannon” condition.

The fight below was the worst one I’ve done in recent days, and even then, I simply cannot die with Wilson. It’s extremely difficult and with very little chance of success to complete this entire fight with Wanda in “glass cannon” status (age between 65 and 73), because it has to be “no damage.” Wanda in Middle Age (+20% non-planar damage) deals less damage than Wilson (+10% planar damage). And Wanda will face all the healing restrictions, while Wilson has absolutely none.

Notice that I’m comparing with Wilson. I don’t even need to mention Wolf or Wig. Interestingly, these three characters all have exactly 200 HP.

[Hollow soul 3]

21 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

The problem I see is that Wanda isn't a cannon after so many years of reworks and skill trees for other characters.

For example, Wolfgang always had higher damage per second than Wanda. This increased significantly with the rework and subsequent skill tree. So Wolfgang has always been the true cannon with zero downsides.

Wilson, with planar alignment, deals practically the same damage as Wanda against Scion and has almost no chance of dying.

Wigfrid deals more damage than Wanda after the rework + skill tree with her new weapon and even has an ability that deals more damage to planar enemies, in addition to defense.

So what advantage does this so-called "cannon Wanda" really have? She has no special damage, and her teleportation is the worst of the three characters.

Much is said about damage, but Wilson takes down the same bosses within a short time of each other. On the other hand, having 200 HP and an "infinite" healing system in your inventory makes all the difference in these fights.

A lot of it is based on the range, but compared to Walter..

Her teleport is uniquely able to fast travel between the underground and surface as well. The lack of upkeep on her watch is also pretty clutch.

She's not without her upsides, but her downsides are so drastic that it's not worth it

[Cruvimaster]

On 9/24/2025 at 10:34 AM, Hollow soul 3 said:

Her teleport is uniquely able to fast travel between the underground and surface as well. The lack of upkeep on her watch is also pretty clutch.

You think Wanda’s teleportation is really amazing, but I disagree on some points. To explain this, we need to make comparisons with other characters who also have this ability. So let’s analyze Wortox.

In the first phase (before Wanda existed), Wortox was basically just a walking cane. In the second phase (after Wanda’s release), the devs reworked him, and he gained the ability to teleport anywhere on the map, but with a limit on the number of souls he could carry. In the last phase (skill tree), he can carry infinite souls, and all it takes is killing bees — with the added advantage of dealing area damage in the process. On top of that, he got an upgrade that allows him to teleport while carrying heavy items, giving him an edge both for the AFW path and the Celestial Champion. He evolved from being just a simple walking cane to having the best teleportation, with constant attention from the developers. While Wanda is spending her first winter hunting Walruses, Wortox is already defeating CC or AFW in that same period.

Wortox can even resurrect characters much more efficiently than Wanda. There’s no cooldown for him. Ten souls, and he creates the item. The Second Chance Watch could have been an amazing item, but because of community complaints, it got nerfed (a mechanic that Klei later brought back with the Beefalo Gloom Bell, and everyone was happy with the devs — a huge contradiction compared to what happened with Wanda). In the end, it’s simply cheaper to use a Life Giving Amulet than Wanda’s own item.

I can confidently say that Wanda has the worst teleportation out of the three characters, and that’s because she was the pioneer in the concept of teleporting anywhere on the map, while the new teleport mechanics were dedicated to Wortox and Winona.

[Dingle]

35 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

You think Wanda’s teleportation is really amazing, but I disagree on some points. To explain this, we need to make comparisons with other characters who also have this ability. So let’s analyze Wortox.

In the first phase (before Wanda existed), Wortox was basically just a walking cane. In the second phase (after Wanda’s release), the devs reworked him, and he gained the ability to teleport anywhere on the map, but with a limit on the number of souls he could carry. In the last phase (skill tree), he can carry infinite souls, and all it takes is killing bees — with the added advantage of dealing area damage in the process. On top of that, he got an upgrade that allows him to teleport while carrying heavy items, giving him an edge both for the AFW path and the Celestial Champion. He evolved from being just a simple walking cane to having the best teleportation, with constant attention from the developers. While Wanda is spending her first winter hunting Walruses, Wortox is already defeating CC or AFW in that same period.

Wortox can even resurrect characters much more efficiently than Wanda. There’s no cooldown for him. Ten souls, and he creates the item. The Second Chance Watch could have been an amazing item, but because of community complaints, it got nerfed (a mechanic that Klei later brought back with the Beefalo Gloom Bell, and everyone was happy with the devs — a huge contradiction compared to what happened with Wanda). In the end, it’s simply cheaper to use a Life Giving Amulet than Wanda’s own item.

I can confidently say that Wanda has the worst teleportation out of the three characters, and that’s because she was the pioneer in the concept of teleporting anywhere on the map, while the new teleport mechanics were dedicated to Wortox and Winona.

Once you get enough spare tusks, Wanda's teleport is really amazing.

No farming souls, no having to evenly space your teleport nodes with a mod, no upkeep. Shard doesn't matter. All your important places available on a right click, likely in a hub chest that you label with items, that you have a couple of watches set to teleport back to.

It's nice. The setup is way longer than the other two characters. That's why I hope her tree gives her an early game alternative. Maybe she can make a cheap teleport watch, but all the cheap teleport watches share the same teleport point. A cheap and early "teleport to base".

[Bumber64]

1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said:

You think Wanda’s teleportation is really amazing, but I disagree on some points. To explain this, we need to make comparisons with other characters who also have this ability. So let’s analyze Wortox.

I don't think you can compare her teleportation to a character whose main gimmick is teleportation. It's like complaining that the knabsack is worse than alarming clock. (You also need to craft a twintailed heart, with skill investment, for each player that wants to follow you. Or build a lazy deserter for a more permanent location.)

You also didn't compare her to Winona's teleportation at all. Probably because teletransport stations are vastly inferior? Rift watch is fully functional without a skill tree.

1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said:

Wortox can even resurrect characters much more efficiently than Wanda. There’s no cooldown for him. Ten souls, and he creates the item.

Second chance watch sends the player directly to where they died. This is convenient for picking up all the stuff they dropped (assuming they don't die again).

Nothing's stopping you from making a bunch of them. They aren't as expensive as rift watches.

Edited September 25, 2025 by Bumber64

[Cruvimaster]

24 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

I don't think you can compare her teleportation to a character whose main gimmick is teleportation. It's like complaining that the knabsack is worse than alarming clock. (You also need to craft a twintailed heart, with skill investment, for each player that wants to follow you. Or build a lazy deserter for a more permanent location.)

You also didn't compare her to Winona's teleportation at all. Probably because teletransport stations are vastly inferior? Rift watch is fully functional without a skill tree.

Second chance watch sends the player directly to where they died. This is convenient for picking up all the stuff they dropped (assuming they don't die again).

Nothing's stopping you from making a bunch of them. They aren't as expensive as rift watches.

We could make dozens of comparisons, spanning pages and pages in a single thread. Among them, Wortox heals himself during elemental damage (cold, heat, electricity) with powerful souls. Wanda can't heal during elemental damage (the only character who is punished) and simply loses the fight.

But my concern is that what happened during Wigfrid's rework (not to be confused with the skill tree) doesn't happen to Wanda. Back then, people were posting here that she didn't need any buffs during the rework. Klei responded, and it was a horrible rework. Then Wolfgang's rework came along and completely crushed Wigfrid.

I hope Wanda's Skill tree improves Wanda's teleportation and combat, even though I know it's me on one side and on the other the people who hate the character (in a poll she was only behind Wes when it came to the possibility of removing her from the game) and, to make matters worse, the people who say they like the character and don't realize how outdated she has become over the years.

28 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Once you get enough spare tusks, Wanda's teleport is really amazing.

Once I get into the late game, even Wes becomes a powerful character.

I don't see any problem with people pointing out Wanda's advantages. The problem is that these same people don't point out the disadvantages or even try to downplay the disadvantages to make them seem natural within the reality of DST.

Edited September 25, 2025 by Cruvimaster

[Dingle]

1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said:

We could make dozens of comparisons, spanning pages and pages in a single thread. Among them, Wortox heals himself during elemental damage (cold, heat, electricity) with powerful souls. Wanda can't heal during elemental damage (the only character who is punished) and simply loses the fight.

But my concern is that what happened during Wigfrid's rework (not to be confused with the skill tree) doesn't happen to Wanda. Back then, people were posting here that she didn't need any buffs during the rework. Klei responded, and it was a horrible rework. Then Wolfgang's rework came along and completely crushed Wigfrid.

I hope Wanda's Skill tree improves Wanda's teleportation and combat, even though I know it's me on one side and on the other the people who hate the character (in a poll she was only behind Wes when it came to the possibility of removing her from the game) and, to make matters worse, the people who say they like the character and don't realize how outdated she has become over the years.

Once I get into the late game, even Wes becomes a powerful character.

I don't see any problem with people pointing out Wanda's advantages. The problem is that these same people don't point out the disadvantages or even try to downplay the disadvantages to make them seem natural within the reality of DST.

I'm not arguing that she doesn't suck outside the teleportation.

I just think it's goofy to pretend that her late game teleportation isn't great.

I already did point out her disadvantages. Likely what you're going to get during her update is people that still hate her and call for a weak skill tree, because she was strong once. In the distant past.

Pretending her advantages don't exist either isn't going to prevent this. Giving accurate feedback might.

[Cruvimaster]

16 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Pretending her advantages don't exist either isn't going to prevent this. Giving accurate feedback might.

I gave feedback, and her teleportation system is the worst. But I won't discuss it any further.

We won't have an update for her this year, and her skill tree might be a year from now, at which point this thread will be dead for months. Let the game continue.

[Hollow soul 3]

4 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

You think Wanda’s teleportation is really amazing, but I disagree on some points. To explain this, we need to make comparisons with other characters who also have this ability. So let’s analyze Wortox.

In the first phase (before Wanda existed), Wortox was basically just a walking cane. In the second phase (after Wanda’s release), the devs reworked him, and he gained the ability to teleport anywhere on the map, but with a limit on the number of souls he could carry. In the last phase (skill tree), he can carry infinite souls, and all it takes is killing bees — with the added advantage of dealing area damage in the process. On top of that, he got an upgrade that allows him to teleport while carrying heavy items, giving him an edge both for the AFW path and the Celestial Champion. He evolved from being just a simple walking cane to having the best teleportation, with constant attention from the developers. While Wanda is spending her first winter hunting Walruses, Wortox is already defeating CC or AFW in that same period.

Wortox can even resurrect characters much more efficiently than Wanda. There’s no cooldown for him. Ten souls, and he creates the item. The Second Chance Watch could have been an amazing item, but because of community complaints, it got nerfed (a mechanic that Klei later brought back with the Beefalo Gloom Bell, and everyone was happy with the devs — a huge contradiction compared to what happened with Wanda). In the end, it’s simply cheaper to use a Life Giving Amulet than Wanda’s own item.

I can confidently say that Wanda has the worst teleportation out of the three characters, and that’s because she was the pioneer in the concept of teleporting anywhere on the map, while the new teleport mechanics were dedicated to Wortox and Winona.

I'm literally choking from how many words you're putting in my mouth. You're quoting me, but having a conversation with yourself.

So half of this isn't even about her teleport, you also completely glazed over her backtrek watch and how it interacts with her range.

This is all so flawed that it's hard to even interact with.

2 hours ago, Dingle said:

I'm not arguing that she doesn't suck outside the teleportation.

I just think it's goofy to pretend that her late game teleportation isn't great.

I already did point out her disadvantages. Likely what you're going to get during her update is people that still hate her and call for a weak skill tree, because she was strong once. In the distant past.

Pretending her advantages don't exist either isn't going to prevent this. Giving accurate feedback might.

It's like he's coming here to argue. No one's saying she doesn't need a tree. Maybe he's just mad, but he's underselling her. She was way stronger than any character pre skill tree. The game changed, and other characters became stronger. It's like he wants us to think she was always weak.

It's still handy to point out that everything she was best at has been overshadowed in some way or another. 

2 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

I gave feedback, and her teleportation system is the worst. But I won't discuss it any further.

Pre skill tree, it's still on the better half. Out of the 6 characters with teleporting abilities, 3 of them are as handy as a handful of grass rafts.

[Cruvimaster]

44 minutes ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

It's like he's coming here to argue. No one's saying she doesn't need a tree. Maybe he's just mad, but he's underselling her. She was way stronger than any character pre skill tree. The game changed, and other characters became stronger. It's like he wants us to think she was always weak.

It's still handy to point out that everything she was best at has been overshadowed in some way or another. 

Pre skill tree, it's still on the better half. Out of the 6 characters with teleporting abilities, 3 of them are as handy as a handful of grass rafts.

I'm happy to return the same answer to you:

"I'm literally choking from how many words you're putting in my mouth. You're quoting me, but having a conversation with yourself."

[Hollow soul 3]

6 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

I'm happy to return the same answer to you:

"I'm literally choking from how many words you're putting in my mouth. You're quoting me, but having a conversation with yourself."

This is just bickering man. I think the post has value, and I don't want Klei to shut it down. If you care about Wanda, try to keep it on topic.

[Cruvimaster]

It's interesting that the whole teleportation debate started with me saying that "and her teleportation is the worst of the three characters." For some reason, it seems like comparisons are forbidden for some here. We can compare the damage the characters deal, but teleportation is something sacred that cannot be discussed.

The two pillars that support Wanda are teleportation and the previously unique combat system (a special weapon that deals damage at greater range than melee weapons).

It would be curious, at the very least, if Wanda's skill tree improves the combat system, but there are no skill points to improve teleportation. Perhaps some wish Klei would create skill points to be more efficient at cutting down trees when Wanda is old. 

[Hollow soul 3]

On 9/23/2025 at 1:06 PM, Dingle said:

I agreed with all of this except the teleporter part. I like all the teleporter characters' teleportation systems. They have different strengths and weaknesses.

I do hope that Wanda gets something like a "make one only" early teleport point in her skill tree, though. It would be nice to have something before you get your tusk farm going.

I would be surprised if they didn't give it some kind of upgrade on the skill tree. I almost feel like the soul decoy would have made more sense for her as a shadow decoy.

[Hollow soul 3]

@Dinglewho did you swap to? I'm trying to get my twin back into the game. He quit around the same time

[Dingle]

1 hour ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

@Dinglewho did you swap to? I'm trying to get my twin back into the game. He quit around the same time

You mean when I stopped playing Wanda? I went back to primarily Wortox after his perk tree came out, but before then I was mainly Wigfrid, then Winona (when she got her teleporter). I also play Wendy the next most often, but I've played most of the cast.

Wigfrid and Wendy are appealing to me because they both have extreme sustainability, and they encourage using Beefalo. I think Beefalo really end up being as fast as a teleportation character, or nearly so, once you factor in how fast you can get them going.

Beefalo are even easier to tame now, as you can feed them while mounted. I still wish you could teleport while on a Beef as Wortox.

[Naifxoxo]

Wanda kids wanting wanda to do everything:

 

instead i would prefer if they worked on other characters who actually need a skilltree , warly, webber , wickerbottom

[Cruvimaster]

3 hours ago, Naifxoxo said:

Wanda kids wanting wanda to do everything:

 

instead i would prefer if they worked on other characters who actually need a skilltree , warly, webber , wickerbottom

This topic has been dormant since November. You're the one reviving a dormant issue.

I also always wanted Wanda to be one of the last ones, since the first ones usually turn out bad. Besides that, there are only 7 characters left (if Wes has a skill tree). So it will only take 3 updates to finish everything. If Wes doesn't have a skill tree, it's possible to finish the skill tree for everyone else in just two updates.

[Cheggf]

4 hours ago, Naifxoxo said:

Wanda kids wanting wanda to do everything:

 

instead i would prefer if they worked on other characters who actually need a skilltree , warly, webber , wickerbottom

You're really making yourself look old, mature, and knowledgeable with this one.

Wanda needs a skill tree infinitely more than any of those characters you listed. 

[RubLog6]

Unrelated but people who still play Wanda till endgame nowadays are absolute chads lol

[blacknight7890]

Would be cool if her skill tree let her "borrow" items from the future that you then supply to yourself at a later point. Like, you ask for a specific type of item, say a weapon for example, and you pull a tentacle spike out from nowhere. Then the ability is blocked until you supply it with a fresh new tentacle spike. If the item ends up as something thats crafted, you could probably duplicate it with green gems to make a self fulfilling timeloop. Would be neat

[Naifxoxo]

6 hours ago, Cheggf said:

You're really making yourself look old, mature, and knowledgeable with this one.

Wanda needs a skill tree infinitely more than any of those characters you listed. 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀 ya i agree js like wolfgang he needed that skilltree more than webber and warly , we need those world record speedruns as soon as possible ig 

ur 

7 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

This topic has been dormant since November. You're the one reviving a dormant issue.

I also always wanted Wanda to be one of the last ones, since the first ones usually turn out bad. Besides that, there are only 7 characters left (if Wes has a skill tree). So it will only take 3 updates to finish everything. If Wes doesn't have a skill tree, it's possible to finish the skill tree for everyone else in just two updates.

all false informations , being first or early dosnt mean skilltrees gonna be bad , dosnt matter early or late 

 

klei r using a logic not js random skilltrees dropping , if a character is alrdy too strong expect its skilltree to be not as impactful, like wendy , wolfgang , winona too .

 

so wanda probably gonna get the wolfgang/wigfridge treatment, by js givijg her few planar stats and the rest of skilltrees being wasted on 1%-2%-3% type of buffs on her cooldowns and reducing the costs of clocks by maybe 1 frags , and thats what i want .