#NerfWurt

[SilverSpoon]

18 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

Like so

That information is outdated, after that post Cursed Vexation was nerfed so the numbers are no longer correct.

By the way, even back then, possibility DPS 283.28 could have been not collect without Cursed Vexation.

 Ornery + War saddle + Shadow Sisterhood III = 243.28~268.28 [101.64x2+(40~65)]

 

Edited July 21, 2025 by SilverSpoon

[Cheggf]

Is this in reference to something? I haven't been keeping up with the updates.

[Siren11]

On 7/20/2025 at 1:35 PM, Echsrick said:

ok....then we alsol need to nerf wendy, for her only strenght is ghost and that does almost everything

ok....then we alsol need to nerf wolfgang, for his only strenght is litteraly just strenght attack power that does almost everything

ok...then insert any character and there strenghts

I think the point was more that Merms are not only beasts in combat, they can also help you quickly gather resources and even perform tasks like gardening. Characters like Wendy and Wolfgang are really only strong in combat, and characters like Winona and Wurt will likely out-DPS them once they’re fully set up anyways. However, that strength is pretty much justified by the long setup time. That’s assuming you’re not using the cheat that allows you to quickly amass a bunch of Merm Guards. If anything needs to be changed about Wurt, it should be that.

(If we’re gonna nerf somebody, Maxwell is right there. He doesn’t even have his skill tree yet and he’s still one of the strongest characters. Though I don’t think nerfing anyone is fun or useful.)

7 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

Like so

 

Aren’t those discussions, like… very out of date? Plus the point at the end is that Wendy gets slightly more damage pre-rift (for a much bigger investment and upkeep), but Beefalo combat falls off a bit once you open rifts. Also, this is all theoretical. I can promise that Wolfgang is likely doing more damage in any actual scenario since Wendy is also having to worry about maneuvering Abigail (not taking into account Gestalt Abigail, but this discussion isn’t about that) and not letting her Beefalo die. I’m pretty sure the only way for her to genuinely out-DPS Wolfgang now is to use her shadow elixir with multi-hit weapons, but that’s so situational it’s not even worth mentioning.

[Hungry French]

On 17.07.2025 at 16:46, Jakepeng99 said:

Её мермы слишком пафосны и вычурны.

Они и так доминировали в бою... теперь они получают меньше урона и наносят больше, у них есть способность, похожая на костяную броню, а также ненужная броня, которая делает их непобедимыми, как будто они и так не были таковыми.

Кроме того, у них есть вторая жизнь в теневом альянсе. Кстати, это ещё не всё: в теневом альянсе (до риффа) она и её приспешники наносят ещё больше урона на абсурдном уровне (это крутая концепция, но, опять же, перебор).

В любом случае, как бывший основной персонаж Вурца, я расстроен тем, что деревья навыков пошли в этом направлении. Я сомневаюсь, что Клей переработает его (ей нужно больше полезных функций, а не больше боевых возможностей), но они могут ослабить её, так что, возможно, я не смогу победить большинство боссов в игре с двумя келпи после того, как моя постоянная армия мермов, которую я создавал 5–7 дней, будет готова.

 

#НерфВерт

При поддержке #NerfWes и #NerfWanda

Super mega argument: Don't use a million merms, but use a maximum of 10

[Jakepeng99]

20 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

Super mega argument: Don't use a million merms, but use a maximum of 10

Even with 6 I found her new abilities too strong since having them follow you is really cheap.

[Hungry French]

10 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Даже с 6-м уровнем я счёл её новые способности слишком сильными, ведь заставить их следовать за тобой очень просто.

Yes. But there are characters who are very strong on their own. 
Alas, Klei will never weaken them. ( or something other ) The only option is mod's

[Bobot roi]

nerf adam mobility

[Prinha]

On 7/21/2025 at 10:24 PM, cybers2001 said:

So, TL;DR:

-War Saddle Ornery Beef Wendy does more damage than Wolfgang with a dark sword pre-rift (283.28 vs 272). (didn't factor the elixir from Pure Horror pre-rift from Nightmare Werepig)
-Nightmare Saddle Ornery Beef Wendy (NSOB) does more damage against non-planar entities post rift (324 vs 319.2).
-Post Rift Wendy NSOB does 248 physical damage + 76 planar damage
-Post Rift Wolfgang Maul+Cowl does 162.7 physical + 152 planar

 

This again. 
1) A beefalo attacks slower than a character this means that straightup addition of the flat dmg of the weapons does not yield a valid comparison. And to surpass Wolfgang's theoretical damage the player has to animation cancel. I don't know what happens if Wolfgang animation cancels too.
2) To have the full dmg multiplier, Wendy and Abigail need to be attacking the same target. While this is easy in a lot of cases it's often very hard to pull off when it counts (like Celestial Champion phase III). In an actual bossfight Wendy regularly looses damage uptime because she has to move away earlier or differently to reposition Abigail.
3) Since Wendy is allowed to have everything be setup perfectly for her (ornery beefalo, warsaddle, vex on the target,...). How about we give the same courtesy to Wolfgang and allow him to wield Blow Darts pre rift?

In practise Wendy's damage requires a bunch of setup but is really good when she has it. That can be rewarding in itself because getting the setup right requires knowledge and/or proper execution. Wolfgang's damage is unconditional, reliable, easy to pull off and also usually higher than Wendy's. He pays for it with the most boring skill tree ever. They are not the same.

Edited July 24, 2025 by Prinha

[cybers2001]

3 hours ago, Prinha said:

In practise Wendy's damage requires a bunch of setup but is really good when she has it. That can be rewarding in itself because getting the setup right requires knowledge and/or proper execution. Wolfgang's damage is unconditional, reliable, easy to pull off and also usually higher than Wendy's. He pays for it with the most boring skill tree ever. They are not the same.

I mean, that's the point. Sweaty gamers don't care about unconditional and reliable, and, especially in esports, chinese players are known for this.

Though apparently the truth of Wendy is that a lot of eastern players just think she's kawaii or something.

[Prinha]

5 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

I mean, that's the point. Sweaty gamers don't care about unconditional and reliable, and, especially in esports, chinese players are known for this.

How does this relate to the topic? What e-sports are you talking about? 

The only competitive thing that happens in DST is speedrunning where many other characters are routinely chosen over Wendy - Wolfgang being one of them. 

I would also appreciate it if race wasn't brought into every single topic.

Edit: I apologize for derailing this thread now twice. I don't know anything about Wurt. Follower based characters don't appeal to me. Judging by what I see in Jakey's stream, she seems to be very strong indeed, but also kinda one-dimensional and repetitive to play.

Edited July 24, 2025 by Prinha

[cybers2001]

3 hours ago, Prinha said:

How does this relate to the topic? What e-sports are you talking about? 

The only competitive thing that happens in DST is speedrunning where many other characters are routinely chosen over Wendy - Wolfgang being one of them. 

I would also appreciate it if race wasn't brought into every single topic.

Edit: I apologize for derailing this thread now twice. I don't know anything about Wurt. Follower based characters don't appeal to me. Judging by what I see in Jakey's stream, she seems to be very strong indeed, but also kinda one-dimensional and repetitive to play.

Well, you’re the one that continued my sub-thread about nerfing based on character popularity, and I don’t think it’s offensive to point out that, statistically, Wendy is extremely popular among Chinese servers

[Keigo]

Whats going on with the hate to wurt lol...they probably won't make a major change to kits but if they do im fine with limiting the amount of merms to 6/10 but getting some strenght herself via trident or a new upgraded trident.