PPP: Where is the really good food.

[imazined]

After going through all the recipes I didn't find any +4 or +5 recipes that uses tough meat, sweat corn or mimikas. The only PPP option is to replace sleet wheat grain with mega frond grains.

But especially the mega frond is so hungry that it's use case was described as "chlorine sink".

Why can't I do a frost burger with smoked fish or tender brisket or even better we're getting new gas stove recipes with the new ingredients.

[blakemw]

PPP + Spaced Out also has the option of using Figs instead of Gristle Berry in Mixed Berry Pie, and it's quite useful.

But it does feel like there should be a quality 4 recipe involving the smoker. Like salt + jawbo fillet or something.

It's not that we "need" more high quality recipes but it seems inconsistent and can be annoying with the Mysterious Hermit if you have care packages turned off, where you can end up scraping the bottom of the barrel for base game recipes you can make.

[imazined]

It's not only if we need to but the PPP has a similar flaw as the FPP the game leads you away from the content of the DLCs in the midgame/late game just by missing stuff like better food options. In the PPP it's the absence of any phosphorite producers which leads to dreckos which makes Rhexes, Dartles and the whole Lura/Gnit plastic production obsolete.

Dreckos are OP and there nothing to put this genie back into the bottle. But maybe don't force people to go this route. Similar with the higher quality food.

[blakemw]

1 hour ago, imazined said:

 

Dreckos are OP and there nothing to put this genie back into the bottle.

Well the devs did rework Pacu, we can still hold out for hope that Dreckos will get the Flox/Bammoth/Rhex treatment, that is, no scale growth without food. With how Dreckos eat free Balm Lily it'll certainly wouldn't do the slightest harm to game balance for them to be brought into line (it'd be fair if they could also eat balm lily flowers, perhaps with a 50% penalty to phosphorite output for not direct grazing).

[imazined]

I don't think that nerfing dreckos would be welcomed by the community. Especially glossy dreckos. Plastic is a necessary element and niche at the same time. Also glossy dreckos are one of the few ways to build self sustaining colonies without any geyser inputs and I don't think we should reduce play style options.

But it would be nice for the content packs to have ways to avoid dreckos all together. But without any other real phosphorite source they become necessary.

So I'd like to see alternative phosphorite sources.

It's not like every player every run plants wild arbor trees because of the free resources. But if we were forced too a lot more colonies would have poke shell ranches just because of the free polluted dirt.

[Tranoze]

8 hours ago, imazined said:

content packs to have ways to avoid dreckos all together.

FPP's Nectar can be converted directly into plastic, and plant wild forest for nectar farm is quite easy./

Bammoth Patty can be crushed in to phosphorus.
There you have it, both product from dreckos got cover by a content pack.

FPP content pack cover that side. PPP cover different side - rare resources. You can blow demolitor at super close range to your planet, thus give you easy access to iridium and isosap. I agree those content pack still lack new high quality food though.

[Paperbag]

Really do wish they'd give the DLCs +5 foods. idk if they're afraid of content bloat or they don't want to lock high quality foods behind DLCs, but it is a little sad to only have the same four +5 foods since 2023. (also there was a 3 year gap between berry pie and quiche).

Also Frost Burger has been the only +6 for 6 years now lol. I know the tier is mostly cosmetic for benefit, but I'd personally like a second one for the hell of it.

 

Also I feel like I'm missing something with the phosphorite discussion here. What's so good about phosphorite?

[Bzhydack]

17 hours ago, imazined said:

Dreckos are OP and there nothing to put this genie back into the bottle. But maybe don't force people to go this route. Similar with the higher quality food.

Drecos are OP only because they are free without any shenanigans, like wild planting. Also, Glossy Dreckos are not free, you need to get this dirt, so you need to have either Pips, Floxes or GrubGrubs. Normal Dreckos eat free Balm Lilly, so solution is simple - make Balm Lilly not free. Maybe fertilized with Polluted Dirt. Or make it reqiure light.

End offtop.

I think like we should get something for Deep Fryer for PPP. After All, we get another source of Tallow (freezing Biodiesel), so what if we get recipe for this? 

[Carib94]

I dont quite understand the big deal for the lack of renewable phosphorite on Relica. I mean sure its used to create fertilizer as well as use for plants lPincha, Pikeapple and Wheezworts, and then refine phosphorus for geotuner. However, these are optional usages which you can simply ignore and in the plants case wild farm and it will not affect your gameplay. Relica has a good amount of Phosphorite and if you are gonna use Pincha Peppers it can last you few hundred cycles. Yes we know Normal Dreckos are OP...it is what it is. 

On the original topic, I have been saying since PPP Beta that we needed new +5 quality food in the Deep Fryer. As for the smoker probably can be up to +3 quality because you can get it quite early and it doesnt require any power. If it could cook +4 or +5 I think it would be too strong but then again thats up to the recipes. 

[blakemw]

10 hours ago, Paperbag said:

Also I feel like I'm missing something with the phosphorite discussion here. What's so good about phosphorite?

Phosphorite isn't particularly important and there's a lot of it just laying around. But there's a certain class of player who likes things to be renewable on principle. On Prehistoric classic I believe it's possible (not guaranteed) that if care packages are not enabled then Pincha Peppernuts are ultimately not sustainable because the only route to sustainability is getting Pips from a Living Planet, which is not a guaranteed Starmap location. Also Wheezeworts are similarly sustainable only with Pips, and things which aren't sustainable at all include fertilizer and geotuning metal volcanoes. If you do these things they are temporary, albeit quite possibly doable for thousands of cycles and certainly plenty for things like getting shinebug morphs and foods for Mysterious Hermit.

Is it true that all these things are optional? Yes. Many things are optional in ONI. You can have a dupe live in a duplicant terrarium with Wild Arbor Trees and Pips, breathing polluted oxygen from the outhouse pdirt and eating Pips. You can ignore or substitute vast swathes of the game.

But it is kind of weird that a central resource can run out and you can just never get more.

[Paperbag]

3 hours ago, blakemw said:

Phosphorite isn't particularly important and there's a lot of it just laying around. But there's a certain class of player who likes things to be renewable on principle.

I'd consider myself that kind of player, honestly. I like having everything available renewably, and being able to use every system in the game is something I like to have. Phosphorite is pretty important for a number of things. The main thing I don't understand is this.

On 7/7/2025 at 4:15 PM, imazined said:

In the PPP it's the absence of any phosphorite producers which leads to dreckos which makes Rhexes, Dartles and the whole Lura/Gnit plastic production obsolete.

What's so important about phosphorite that it absolutely neccessitates using Dreckos to get it, which in turn nulls the need to interact with the new plastic chain?

Like, is fertilizer just that good? How much Pepper or Worts are you using? I don't see the absolute need for Phosphorite this desperately.

Also like. Are Dreckos even in the biomes on Relica? I can't currently check for myself, but the wiki says it only has the Warm variant of the Rust biome, with no dreckos? At that point you wait until cycle 500 to print them. Why would you not interact with the new plastic chain, Dreckos aren't even available to make it obsolete? 

Edited July 8, 2025 by Paperbag

[goboking]

21 hours ago, Paperbag said:

Really do wish they'd give the DLCs +5 foods. idk if they're afraid of content bloat or they don't want to lock high quality foods behind DLCs, but it is a little sad to only have the same four +5 foods since 2023.

Adding to this, none of the new foods have been dehydrator compatible. 

[imazined]

About the phosphorite. It's about berry sludge in my case. Pike apple has become an alternative to bristle berries for berry sludge and it requires phosphorite. 

And if course it's about sustainability. 

But true, this was about the missing higher tier foods. 

[Tranoze]

19 hours ago, imazined said:

Pike apple has become an alternative to bristle berries for berry sludge and it requires phosphorite. 

Pike apple is from FPP. You can get phosphorite ranching Bammoth in FPP.