Some advice for Resurrected skins

[NexusMercer]

7 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

This is why I warned about the financial consequences here: 

In the short term people are laughing, in the long term this might be the single most devastating thing on Klei due to lost consumer confidence in them making rational and good choices. I am hopeful that people outside of forums are not this naive to support massive devaluations like this so blindly

But in reality, most people don't realize this — they only care about their own immediate interests.

7 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

This is why I warned about the financial consequences here: 

In the short term people are laughing, in the long term this might be the single most devastating thing on Klei due to lost consumer confidence in them making rational and good choices. I am hopeful that people outside of forums are not this naive to support massive devaluations like this so blindly

Who knows, maybe Klei will release a $10 skin bundle in the future that includes all the existing skins, haha.

Edited July 1, 2025 by NexusMercer

[RexySeven]

12 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

In the short term people are laughing, in the long term this might be the single most devastating thing on Klei due to lost consumer confidence in them making rational and good choices. I am hopeful that people outside of forums are not this naive to support massive devaluations like this so blindly

It's so over-dramatic but do you realize that these skins were exclusive for 10 solid years. 

[Maxil20]

27 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

I am hopeful that people outside of forums are not this naive to support massive devaluations like this so blindly

There’s like, 5-6 people including yourself that are directly opposed to this change. The vast majority are either neutral/supporting of this, which includes myself.

[Kaioh]

7 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

It's so over-dramatic but do you realize that these skins were exclusive for 10 solid years. 

So what? That still doesn't make such a massive devaluation okay.

2 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

There’s like, 5-6 people including yourself that are directly opposed to this change. The vast majority are either neutral/supporting of this, which includes myself.

How would you know that? Did you just check the forums and found the few people complaining, or did you survey a lot of people on the forums and outside the forums to arrive at this conclusion?

[NexusMercer]

10 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

It's so over-dramatic but do you realize that these skins were exclusive for 10 solid years. 

Does a law become okay to break just because it’s been around for ten years? These merch skins were promoted by Klei as rare and exclusive from the very beginning.

If, as they now claim, the skins had no value, then why didn’t they release the Resurrected skins in the in-game store when the merch first launched? The reason they didn’t is because they deliberately wanted to cash in on players who were only interested in the skins that came with the merch.

And now, they’re ignoring those players’ interests and releasing Resurrected skins instead — targeting the wallets of regular skin collectors.

8 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

There’s like, 5-6 people including yourself that are directly opposed to this change. The vast majority are either neutral/supporting of this, which includes myself.

Only a few people will oppose this, because not many players were willing to pay high prices for the merch. Most people weren’t negatively affected — in fact, they benefited from it. If I hadn’t spent money on the merch myself, I probably would’ve supported it too.

[RexySeven]

Just now, Kaioh said:

So what? That still doesn't make such a massive devaluation okay.

What value bro. These skins are worthless the moment you redeemed the code on your account. It's forever stuck in your inventory un-tradable and non-marketable. 

These are literally lines of code that were extra feature to the physical item you bought, it was never stated anywhere that they weren't gonna be introduced again in any way. Only people who lose value are people who hoard the codes to sell them for 90$+ bucks on the second market. 

Gonna also remind you that nobody took unique rarity from your cool authentic rare item. 

16 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

The reason they didn’t is because they deliberately wanted to cash in on players who were only interested in the skins that came with the merch.

Surely they planned out 10 years in advance to specifically cash in on unsuspecting skin collectors that how evil and greedy they are.

[gaymime]

19 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

If I hadn’t spent money on the merch myself, I probably would’ve supported it too.

i bought both of the backpacks and i support this. the difference between us is that i actually wanted the stuff i bought and you did not.

[Kaioh]

5 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

What value bro. These skins are worthless the moment you redeemed the code on your account. It's forever stuck in your inventory un-tradable and non-marketable. 

These are literally lines of code that were extra feature to the physical item you bought, it was never stated anywhere that they weren't gonna be introduced again in any way. Only people who lose value are people who hoard the codes to sell them for 90$+ bucks on the second market. 

Gonna also remind you that nobody took unique rarity from your cool authentic rare item. 

Technically that just transfers the value of the skin to my account. If account selling was allowed, I would have the theoretical ability to cash in on this. But you're still missing the point of consumer confidence - if Klei juggles with prices randomly and as they see fit without any finesse or care, consumer confidence will disappear and consumers will simply stop buying, either to force concessions or just completely

[NexusMercer]

4 minutes ago, gaymime said:

i bought both of the backpacks and i support this. the difference between us is that i actually wanted the stuff i bought and you did not.

But that’s not really the case. The difference between us is that you either haven’t realized, or simply don’t care, that your interests have been harmed — but the harm is real.

It’s like a rise in water bills: the rich don’t care because they don’t think it’s worth fighting over a small amount of money. But for ordinary people, it genuinely increases their daily burden.

16 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

What value bro. These skins are worthless the moment you redeemed the code on your account. It's forever stuck in your inventory un-tradable and non-marketable. 

These are literally lines of code that were extra feature to the physical item you bought, it was never stated anywhere that they weren't gonna be introduced again in any way. Only people who lose value are people who hoard the codes to sell them for 90$+ bucks on the second market. 

Gonna also remind you that nobody took unique rarity from your cool authentic rare item. 

Surely they planned out 10 years in advance to specifically cash in on unsuspecting skin collectors that how evil and greedy they are.

So what you're saying is that Klei is free to heavily discount merch they've already sold. I hope you can be just as carefree when the government raises your water and electricity bills.

[RexySeven]

1 minute ago, Kaioh said:

if Klei juggles with prices randomly and as they see fit without any finesse or care, consumer confidence will disappear and consumers will simply stop buying, either to force concessions or just completely

"Juggles prices randomly" what's so random about it? Do you expect them to sell this skin for 100 bucks or something to support bs "exclusivity" that it has in a  minority group of skin collectors?
Price is obviously gonna be less than a physical good for which they had to buy materials, make, distribute and cover logistical stuff with transporting. I cannot believe I have to even explain that. 

4 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

So what you're saying is that Klei is free to heavily discount merch they've already sold. I hope you can be just as carefree when the government raises your water and electricity bills.

What is this goofy ahh analogy that doesn't even compare to subject at hand.

[NexusMercer]

1 minute ago, RexySeven said:

What is this goofy ahh analogy that doesn't even compare to subject at hand.

There’s really no fundamental difference — both are about manipulating prices at will to profit at the expense of others. 

You can’t understand it because you don’t want to understand it. You weren’t harmed by Klei’s actions — in fact, you might even benefit from them.

I’m not saying that releasing Resurrected skins is inherently wrong. What I’m saying is that Klei should not profit by hurting the interests of OG buyers — the most loyal players who supported Klei even when the merch was expensive.

[gaymime]

14 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

But that’s not really the case. The difference between us is that you either haven’t realized, or simply don’t care, that your interests have been harmed — but the harm is real.

please don't spit on me and call it a tsunami. i wasn't harmed. i got my skins and i gifted the plushes to someone who wanted them. i had what i wanted for half of a decade and i STILL get to keep having what i wanted. there is no loss because nothing was taken from me.

[NexusMercer]

3 minutes ago, gaymime said:

please don't spit on me and call it a tsunami. i wasn't harmed. i got my skins and i gifted the plushes to someone who wanted them. i had what i wanted for half of a decade and i STILL get to keep having what i wanted. there is no loss because nothing was taken from me.

I'm sorry if I offended you — that wasn't my intention. What I want to say is that the harm to players' interests is real, even if you haven’t realized it. And the root cause of this situation is that Klei has started ignoring the interests of certain players in order to gain more profit.

[RexySeven]

42 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

There’s really no fundamental difference — both are about manipulating prices at will to profit at the expense of others. 

You can’t understand it because you don’t want to understand it. You weren’t harmed by Klei’s actions — in fact, you might even benefit from them.

I’m not saying that releasing Resurrected skins is inherently wrong. What I’m saying is that Klei should not profit by hurting the interests of OG buyers — the most loyal players who supported Klei even when the merch was expensive.

What price manipulation in expense of other what are you even talking about mate. You bought skin for 45 dollars in 2015 and now it sells for 3-10 without the unique quality it came with originally. Made specifically to fight second market scalpers and give newer players ONE skin for 3-10 bucks they missed on by 10 years.

Bringing this random water bill analogy it means that government will lower water price bills in 10 years and I somehow should be angry at them for it because I used to pay for higher price before. It literally doesn't make any sense. 

Edited July 1, 2025 by RexySeven

[Kaioh]

22 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

"Juggles prices randomly" what's so random about it? Do you expect them to sell this skin for 100 bucks or something to support bs "exclusivity" that it has in a  minority group of skin collectors?
Price is obviously gonna be less than a physical good for which they had to buy materials, make, distribute and cover logistical stuff with transporting. I cannot believe I have to even explain that. 

I'm not against the skins being below 100% MSRP, I'm only against them being too cheap, and the standardized $10 (apparently $2.5 in China) for resurrected skins individually doesn't actually take into account MSRP at all, as crabbit plushie and mandrake plushie differed in MSRP ($35 for crabbbit, $30 for mandrake), which is very problematic with items that are more expensive (most notably calico chester, which costs $60)

[gaymime]

3 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

Klei should not profit by hurting the interests of OG buyers — the most loyal players who supported Klei even when the merch was expensive.

ok, two things; one these are toys NOT gilts. you are not only doing speculation on something that never had -any- guarantee of value but you are taking umbrage over the very idea that a video-games company isnt an investment firm that is employed by you to guarantee you a profit. you have imagined a world where market-value is a universal right which it is not and your imaginings led you to the conclusion that klei has an obligation to ward against depreciation on your behalf which it it would never

two; conflating purchase with loyalty while being incredibly unloyal seems really weird. personally i dont get being loyal to an entity beyond the day-to-day of mutual benefit but from my understanding of things loyalty does require some degree of staying, well, loyal.

 

16 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

I'm sorry if I offended you — that wasn't my intention. What I want to say is that the harm to players' interests is real, even if you haven’t realized it. And the root cause of this situation is that Klei has started ignoring the interests of certain players in order to gain more profit.

it is less i am offended and more i am stressed that you seem to think klei is actively trying to abuse you and those like you because they aren't doing the thing you think they ought to be doing. they are not serving the interests of a very tiny number of people but instead are trying to serve the wider community and somehow this slim paltry miniscule sliver of people who are not able to make profits off of a decade old virtual goods are somehow the thing that will topple this videogame company? your 45$ was spent a long, long time ago and unless you are donating all the money you were theoretically going to make off of that skin TO klei you were never going to give them more for it. your ideas of investment serve noone but yourself and are predicated on you being able to make more money than you spent on the thing you are selling which is demonstrably worse for whomever wants to buy it because they are being charged extra for being too late to buy it when it was new

 

also i think i should probably say something now for the sake of transparency; i am intensely anti-capitalist. i participate because i am not wealthy or able-bodied enough to go live out in the woods in a cabin i built with my own bare hands but i am still against it with my whole chest. i dont want these items to be a tenner, i don't want them to be a single quid. i dont want them to be sold. i like that you can get them for free and i want MORE options to get them for free. i dont stand in the way of them costing money because the real human people working for klei also participate in capitalism and i want them to be able to eat. i buy their stuff because klei keeps their money so i have some small hope that the actual dev team gets paid off the back of what me and others like me spend and i like using the stuff i buy because pretty art makes me happy.

[RexySeven]

5 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

I'm not against the skins being below 100% MSRP, I'm only against them being too cheap, and the standardized $10 (apparently $2.5 in China) for resurrected skins individually doesn't actually take into account MSRP at all, as crabbit plushie and mandrake plushie differed in MSRP ($35 for crabbbit, $30 for mandrake), which is very problematic with items that are more expensive (most notably calico chester, which costs $60)

It's cheap because it's an extra thing that you get from buying actual merch, not the main thing. Main thing is obviously the merch itself. 
These skins are pretty expensive already compared to other in-game skins Klei offers anyways, it's very close to be as expensive as entire packs of skins. It's really delusional to expect them to raise the price even more just to make it seem more special than they really are. 

[NexusMercer]

6 minutes ago, gaymime said:

ok, two things; one these are toys NOT gilts. you are not only doing speculation on something that never had -any- guarantee of value but you are taking umbrage over the very idea that a video-games company isnt an investment firm that is employed by you to guarantee you a profit. you have imagined a world where market-value is a universal right which it is not and your imaginings led you to the conclusion that klei has an obligation to ward against depreciation on your behalf which it it would never

two; conflating purchase with loyalty while being incredibly unloyal seems really weird. personally i dont get being loyal to an entity beyond the day-to-day of mutual benefit but from my understanding of things loyalty does require some degree of staying, well, loyal.

 

it is less i am offended and more i am stressed that you seem to think klei is actively trying to abuse you and those like you because they aren't doing the thing you think they ought to be doing. they are not serving the interests of a very tiny number of people but instead are trying to serve the wider community and somehow this slim paltry miniscule sliver of people who are not able to make profits off of a decade old virtual goods are somehow the thing that will topple this videogame company? your 45$ was spent a long, long time ago and unless you are donating all the money you were theoretically going to make off of that skin TO klei you were never going to give them more for it. your ideas of investment serve noone but yourself and are predicated on you being able to make more money than you spent on the thing you are selling which is demonstrably worse for whomever wants to buy it because they are being charged extra for being too late to buy it when it was new

 

also i think i should probably say something now for the sake of transparency; i am intensely anti-capitalist. i participate because i am not wealthy or able-bodied enough to go live out in the woods in a cabin i built with my own bare hands but i am still against it with my whole chest. i dont want these items to be a tenner, i don't want them to be a single quid. i dont want them to be sold. i like that you can get them for free and i want MORE options to get them for free. i dont stand in the way of them costing money because the real human people working for klei also participate in capitalism and i want them to be able to eat. i buy their stuff because klei keeps their money so i have some small hope that the actual dev team gets paid off the back of what me and others like me spend and i like using the stuff i buy because pretty art makes me happy.

What you said about later buyers having to pay extra due to various issues — weren’t those issues caused by Klei themselves in the first place?

And I’ve never seen this as some kind of stock investment or anything like that. What I care about is why Klei suddenly decided to devalue their own items without any prior notice.

If they had clearly stated from the very beginning of the merch release that “in case of future merch supply issues, we will introduce Resurrected skins to ensure players can still get the cosmetics,” then there would be no problem. But they didn’t do that. They’re just making it up as they go.

5 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

It's cheap because it's an extra thing that you get from buying actual merch, not the main thing. Main thing is obviously the merch itself. 
These skins are pretty expensive already compared to other in-game skins Klei offers anyways, it's very close to be as expensive as entire packs of skins. It's really delusional to expect them to raise the price even more just to make it seem more special than they really are. 

Even if the skin is just an added bonus, it's still part of the overall value of the merch. That means Klei should accept that some people bought the merch specifically for the skin — especially since they themselves promoted the skins as rare and exclusive, clearly targeting players who wanted them.

If, as you said, the skin had little value and Klei only wanted to sell the figures, then why didn’t they release the Resurrected skins in the in-game store at the same time the merch launched?

[RexySeven]

18 minutes ago, gaymime said:

not able to make profits off of a decade old virtual goods are somehow the thing that will topple this videogame company?

Not profits, you can't even return investment of these skins unless breaking steam TOS.
It's a matter of bragging rights in the communities, as you cannot flex your cool rare 100$ cosmetic around other players as much as before now that everyone can access these. (even though you still have that proof of purchase rarity)
That's kinda the entire summary of all these "Why resurrected skins are bad for the game actually" posts on forums lately.

[gaymime]

19 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

What you said about later buyers having to pay extra due to various issues — weren’t those issues caused by Klei themselves in the first place?

And I’ve never seen this as some kind of stock investment or anything like that. What I care about is why Klei suddenly decided to devalue their own items without any prior notice.

If they had clearly stated from the very beginning of the merch release that “in case of future merch supply issues, we will introduce Resurrected skins to ensure players can still get the cosmetics,” then there would be no problem. But they didn’t do that. They’re just making it up as they go.

caused by klei but also now rectified by klei. resurrected skins remove the problem of market prices by allowing people to buy from outside of the market entirely.

if you do not see it as an investment then may i ask why you think it is "devalued" by becoming more available? if you do not see it as an investment why are you concerned about dipping resale-market values? what is it if not an investment in that case and why must klei protect it? what are you doing by collecting but not using an item with the intent to sell it in the future if not investing?

ok, this part is super hard to take seriously; why would klei assume they'd still be making this game in 10 years AND why would they feel they needed confirm that if they did manage to keep working on a game for that long that they would definitely be re-selling the stuff that was currently brand new and un-tested so please wait ten years instead of buying it now? you are looking at this as a player in 2025 NOT as a game company in 2015. no game company comes with a guarantee that many many years in the future there that a thing being sold now will either never be sold again or will definitely be sold again at x date for x money

 

8 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

Not profits, you can't even return investment of these skins unless breaking steam TOS.
It's a matter of bragging rights in the communities, as you cannot flex your cool rare 100$ cosmetic around other players as much as before now that everyone can access these. (even though you still have that proof of purchase rarity)
That's kinda the entire summary of all these "Why resurrected skins are bad for the game actually" posts on forums lately.

eh, i am coming at these people at the level in which they are asking to be met which is to say from the "market" perspective. if you sell the skin on the market you are looking to make the same or more money ideally. "devaluing" means you cannot get the same or more money because the value is less so the buyerbase will not buy at that level. the end-goal of the final-owner who redeems the code and gets the skin is along-side-of but not necessarily the same as the person looking to sell and it muddies the waters of the conversation by trying to carry both thoughts at the same time

Edited July 1, 2025 by gaymime

[RexySeven]

12 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

Even if the skin is just an added bonus, it's still part of the overall value of the merch.

There wasn't a single word written about how much these contribute to the price. Might as well contribute nothing at all. 

 

14 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

If, as you said, the skin had little value and Klei only wanted to sell the figures, then why didn’t they release the Resurrected skins in the in-game store at the same time the merch launched?

Because that's how selling work, that's how bonus with purchase works. You get extra gifts to encourage better deals and sell more merch, also it's a video game company so it makes sense for them to add skin to use in-game. 

Add to that, when that merch launched there weren't even in-game shop to begin with. Game literally was in beta at that time. 

[NexusMercer]

7 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

There wasn't a single word written about how much these contribute to the price. Might as well contribute nothing at all. 

 

Because that's how selling work, that's how bonus with purchase works. You get extra gifts to encourage better deals and sell more merch, also it's a video game company so it makes sense for them to add skin to use in-game. 

Add to that, when that merch launched there weren't even in-game shop to begin with. Game literally was in beta at that time. 

Because the last time Calico Chester was out of stock, they didn’t do anything like this either — it took two years before a reissue came out, and during that time, scalpers were allowed to sell it on the market for over $300.

[RexySeven]

2 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

Because the last time Calico Chester was out of stock, they didn’t do anything like this either — it took two years before a reissue came out, and during that time, scalpers were allowed to sell it on the market for over $300.

Well, they don't have full control over second market. Scalpers are a huge issue everywhere, not only with Klei games. 

[NexusMercer]

22 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

Not profits, you can't even return investment of these skins unless breaking steam TOS.
It's a matter of bragging rights in the communities, as you cannot flex your cool rare 100$ cosmetic around other players as much as before now that everyone can access these. (even though you still have that proof of purchase rarity)
That's kinda the entire summary of all these "Why resurrected skins are bad for the game actually" posts on forums lately.

That’s not how it is. When Klei released the merchandise skins, they specifically promoted their rarity and exclusivity. Now they introduce the Resurrected Skins and tell me that this so-called rarity and exclusivity only comes down to an invisible “Proof of Purchase” tag in-game? Isn’t that just playing word games — essentially a form of deception? If Klei had made it clear from the start that the only thing rare or exclusive about the skin was the “Proof of Purchase” label, there would be no issue. But you can’t put out vague and misleading marketing to trick merchandise buyers who only wanted the skin.

[SilverSpoon]

I seriously don't understand the point of people who keep being jerks to those resent about the re-release and price drop of limited Klei merch.

Do they really think that the people who bought the Klei merch and support Klei will look at this and go, “I’ll keep buying Klei merch and supporting Klei”? Aren’t they just being jerks for the sake of being jerks for just thyself?

Alas, this kind of behavior has already become a familiar sight on the Official Don't Starve Together Forum.

(This isn't personal. I don't buy merch or skins.)

Edited July 1, 2025 by SilverSpoon