Some advice for Resurrected skins

[NexusMercer]

2 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

I seriously don't understand the point of people who keep being jerks to those resent about the re-release and price drop of limited Klei merch.

Do they really think that the people who bought the Klei merch and support Klei will look at this and go, “I’ll keep buying Klei merch and supporting Klei”? Aren’t they just being jerks for the sake of being jerks for just thyself?

Alas, this kind of behavior has already become a familiar sight on the Official Don't Starve Together Forum.

(This isn't personal. I don't buy merch or skins.)

It’s like a store advertising a limited-edition piece of clothing, saying it can only be purchased from their store right now. Then after you buy it, they start mass distributing it — you can get it online or from any random shop. When you question them, saying “Wasn’t this supposed to be limited and exclusive?”, they tell you, “The only limited part was the price tag attached to the clothing.”

[Kaioh]

1 hour ago, RexySeven said:

It's cheap because it's an extra thing that you get from buying actual merch, not the main thing. Main thing is obviously the merch itself. 
These skins are pretty expensive already compared to other in-game skins Klei offers anyways, it's very close to be as expensive as entire packs of skins. It's really delusional to expect them to raise the price even more just to make it seem more special than they really are. 

And yet the only way of getting said skins is through buying this super expensive merch, it's disingenuous to say these things have no value when they are used to boost sales and promote it to skin collectors

[Bumber64]

13 hours ago, NexusMercer said:

You can’t have it both ways—profiting from players who want to collect rare items and then backstabbing them just to make more money from regular players.

13 hours ago, NexusMercer said:

But they don't do that, they made money off us merchandise buyers who only wanted the skin, and then turned around and stabbed us in the back to make more money from regular players—how could something like this be acceptable?

3 hours ago, NexusMercer said:

It’s like a rise in water bills: the rich don’t care because they don’t think it’s worth fighting over a small amount of money. But for ordinary people, it genuinely increases their daily burden.

This all rings so incredibly hollow when you're actually complaining Klei isn't charging more for the skins.

Next time don't buy the merch if you don't want the merch. Delay your gratification for a few years and buy the skins cheap.

Edited July 1, 2025 by Bumber64

[NexusMercer]

9 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

This all rings so incredibly hollow when you're actually complaining Klei isn't charging more for the skins.

Charging more is just one possible solution — if they can close the loop in their promotional logic using other methods, that's fine too. What’s not acceptable is claiming now that the so-called exclusivity and rarity they advertised only referred to the “proof of purchase” tag.

[Valase]

You spent $209.26 for those skins, poor little guy.

 

I feel more pity to this guy, though.

[NexusMercer]

18 minutes ago, Valase said:

You spent $209.26 for those skins, poor little guy.
你花了 209.26 美元买这些皮肤，可怜的小家伙。

No, I bought it at the original price. I got the skin by purchasing the figurine, not through the Steam Market.

20 minutes ago, Valase said:

I feel more pity to this guy, though.

And let me reiterate, I am not against making skins more accessible to purchase — I am against Klei pulling off what feels like a wordplay-based scam. They advertised the exclusivity and rarity of the merchandise skins, and now they’re telling me that this so-called exclusivity and rarity only refers to the "proof of purchase" tag. Don’t you think that’s a form of deception?

Also, regarding the story in the image you posted — the issue there is about distribution, not the convenience of buying skins. That person cared more about the figurine itself than the skin.

Spending more money to buy merchandise from scalpers and ending up losing money is something you can only blame yourself for — there's really nothing to argue about.

[SilverSpoon]

22 hours ago, NexusMercer said:

In my opinion, the best way to resolve this issue is to find a clear way to distinguish proof of purchase skins from the Resurrected ones. For example, make the proof of purchase version glow or allow it to be equipped on more types of backpacks or containers.

I'll repeat that again. This is it.

This idea was supposed to make everyone happy, all of you, and the fans who paid big bucks for limited edition skins and are now resent that they’ve been cheapened after the fact, and even Klei themselves. I also don't like making scalpers happy either, but the existence of scalpers is a consequence once sold something as a "limited edition."

However, guys continue to being jerks and oppose it without offering any reason beyond “idc.” It make me beyond angry, make me confused. Just… Why?

I say, it is absolutely wrong to destroy Klei’s credibility in merchandising and the fans who paid for and supported Klei's products, just to give a tiny bit of payback to scalpers. (Yes, a tiny bit. Only a small fraction of a scalper’s entire inventory less value.)

15 hours ago, cropo said:

I also don't want the skins to have any differences between PoP and Resurrected. Stupid annoying glowy effects are rarely something I enjoy, and I actually use a mod to disable them on walking cane skins because they are incredibly annoying. It would also just lead to the items being ultimately different, and I would need to buy the "non PoP" version to stop it from glowing or having a stupid effect.

Players who have the limited edition skin should also be given the regular skin.

Edited July 1, 2025 by SilverSpoon

[NexusMercer]

42 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

However, guys continue to being jerks and oppose it without offering any reason beyond “idc.” It make me beyond angry, make me confused. Just… Why?

Most people are happy to see others' wealth or possessions lose value — this is likely a form of envy or resentment toward the rich.

They don't care about the essence of the matter—as long as their own interests aren't harmed, they're happy to see others suffer losses, even if they themselves gain nothing.

I don’t know why Klei would make a decision that destroys the credibility of their own merchandise sales, betrays their loyal players, and doesn’t even bring them any additional profit—a lose-lose-lose situation where no one actually benefits.

[AliceShiki]

10 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

I seriously don't understand the point of people who keep being jerks to those resent about the re-release and price drop of limited Klei merch.

Do they really think that the people who bought the Klei merch and support Klei will look at this and go, “I’ll keep buying Klei merch and supporting Klei”? Aren’t they just being jerks for the sake of being jerks for just thyself?

Alas, this kind of behavior has already become a familiar sight on the Official Don't Starve Together Forum.

(This isn't personal. I don't buy merch or skins.)

Essentially because everyone except scalpers hate scalpers.

Klei did something that benefits all users and makes scalpers lose money.

So, some scalpers are pretending to be hurt users when they're actually scalpers that lost money on their investment... Nobody takes them seriously because it's obvious they're just angry that their scalping investment didn't work out.

Price drops on merch are always, 100% of the time, a good thing for all users. No user is ever hurt by a price drop on merch, never. Anyone arguing that price drops on merch are bad is just arguing from scalping perspective, and there is no reason to ever take them seriously, that's all. Lost value is irrelevant for people who don't want to resell stuff, and the only people who want to resell this stuff are scalpers.

Edited July 2, 2025 by AliceShiki

[NexusMercer]

44 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

Essentially because everyone except scalpers hate scalpers.

Klei did something that benefits all users and makes scalpers lose money.

So, some scalpers are pretending to be hurt users when they're actually scalpers that lost money on their investment... Nobody takes them seriously because it's obvious they're just angry that they scalping investment didn't work out.

Price drops on merch are always, 100% of the time, a good thing for all users. No user is ever hurt by a price drop on merch, never. Anyone arguing that price drops on merch are bad is just arguing from scalping perspective, and there is no reason to ever take them seriously, that's all. Lost value is irrelevant for people who don't want to resell stuff, and the only people who want to resell this stuff are scalpers.

Is it really true that all users benefit? What you consider "all users" only refers to those who didn’t buy the merchandise. You’re solely focused on the fact that you can now get the skin at a lower price, completely ignoring Klei’s deceptive wordplay. Sure, scalpers have suffered huge losses and people won’t buy merch from them anymore—but what about the players who purchased the merchandise for the skins? Are you saying all of them did it just for that so-called “proof of purchase” tag? You can’t even tell the difference in-game.

[SilverSpoon]

1 hour ago, AliceShiki said:

So, some scalpers are pretending to be hurt users when they're actually scalpers that lost money on their investment... Nobody takes them seriously because it's obvious they're just angry that they scalping investment didn't work out.

Price drops on merch are always, 100% of the time, a good thing for all users. No user is ever hurt by a price drop on merch, never. Anyone arguing that price drops on merch are bad is just arguing from scalping perspective, and there is no reason to ever take them seriously, that's all. Lost value is irrelevant for people who don't want to resell stuff, and the only people who want to resell this stuff are scalpers.

It sounds like a No True Scotsman fallacy. Please do not treat me or the people who resent as not user and do not label us as scalpers or allies of scalpers without evidence. If you really think we look like resellers masquerading as users, Please report us; Klei or Steam are surely better at investigating such claims than we are.

1.Players who bought the bundle specifically for the skins might never have spent so much money on unwanted merchandise (plus the unbelievably high shipping costs!) had they known the skins would later be sold separately. In that case, the players suffer a loss regardless of any resale market.

2.Since Klei released these skins with selling and trading enabled, Klei also has responsibility for any disadvantage to players that results from the Klei sanctioned sales and trades.

Edited July 1, 2025 by SilverSpoon

[GimplyGoose]

1 minute ago, NexusMercer said:

Is it really true that all users benefit? What you consider "all users" only refers to those who didn’t buy the merchandise. You’re solely focused on the fact that you can now get the skin at a lower price, completely ignoring Klei’s deceptive wordplay. Sure, scalpers have suffered huge losses and people won’t buy merch from them anymore—but what about the players who purchased the merchandise for the skins? Are you saying all of them did it just for that so-called “proof of purchase” tag? You can’t even tell the difference in-game.

I can understand where you are coming from, you feel like something you own has lost value because it is easier to obtain than it was before. It probably isn't a great feeling, but I think those feelings are caused moreso by your own mindset rather than Klei's actions.

Here are a couple points to consider:

The skins never really had any monetary value to begin with. They are not comparable to a physical good. Just because they have a cost to own doesn't mean they have monetary value. The only value the skins have is sentimental and sentimental value is highly mutable. It is sort of up to you and your own perspective on whether or not the item loses value or not.

It has been a long time since the merchandise associated with these skins were sold. The player base between the and now has changed and the skins associated with the merchandise may be something the new player base is interested in purchasing. If they were to purchase the skins through the third-party market, Klei would get no money from them doing so. It makes financial sense for Klei to re-release these skins so they can profit from those new players.

Any cosmetic skin purchase you make in any game should be rooted in your desire to support the people who made the game. If that is your mindset, you probably wouldn't be bothered by the actions Klei took here.

[Ugur01]

This is my perspective on the people who are satisfied and unsatisfied

Those who want both the skin and the plush or only the plush: Nothing has changed for them. They only pay for the plush; the skin comes as a gift

Those who want only the skin: They are satisfied because they can get the skin for one-third of the price or less. This helps those whose countries don’t get delivery or who would have to pay shipping costs higher than the product itself.

Klei: They are satisfied because they earn $10 from the skin without any production costs.

Black market sellers: They are not satisfied because they can no longer sell the lantern at a $100 price.

Lastly, people who bought the plush and are unhappy with this decision: This group makes up a very small portion.

I believe Klei did the right thing by acting for the majority’s benefit.

Edited July 1, 2025 by Ugur01
Clarified the text

[NexusMercer]

1 hour ago, GimplyGoose said:

I can understand where you are coming from, you feel like something you own has lost value because it is easier to obtain than it was before. It probably isn't a great feeling, but I think those feelings are caused moreso by your own mindset rather than Klei's actions.

Here are a couple points to consider:

The skins never really had any monetary value to begin with. They are not comparable to a physical good. Just because they have a cost to own doesn't mean they have monetary value. The only value the skins have is sentimental and sentimental value is highly mutable. It is sort of up to you and your own perspective on whether or not the item loses value or not.

It has been a long time since the merchandise associated with these skins were sold. The player base between the and now has changed and the skins associated with the merchandise may be something the new player base is interested in purchasing. If they were to purchase the skins through the third-party market, Klei would get no money from them doing so. It makes financial sense for Klei to re-release these skins so they can profit from those new players.

Any cosmetic skin purchase you make in any game should be rooted in your desire to support the people who made the game. If that is your mindset, you probably wouldn't be bothered by the actions Klei took here.

Let me give you another example: the last time Calico Chester was out of stock, they didn’t do anything like this either — it took two years before a reissue came out, and during that time, scalpers were allowed to sell it on the market for over $300.

Why couldn’t Calico Chester have a resurrected skin? Because that reissue came with several other new merchandise items. If Klei had released a resurrected skin at that time, the sales of those new items would’ve been disastrous.

And the reason we’re seeing resurrected skins now is because these merchandise items have already been on sale for many years — there are barely any merch-skin buyers left to exploit, so now they’ve set their sights on ordinary skin buyers by releasing resurrected skins.

Klei has never respected us merch skin buyers from the beginning. Why is this kind of wordplay-based scam even allowed to happen?

1 hour ago, Ugur01 said:

This is my perspective on the people who are satisfied and unsatisfied

Those who want both the skin and the plush or only the plush: Nothing has changed for them. They only pay for the plush; the skin comes as a gift

Those who want only the skin: They are satisfied because they can get the skin for one-third of the price or less. This helps those whose countries don’t get delivery or who would have to pay shipping costs higher than the product itself.

Klei: They are satisfied because they earn $10 from the skin without any production costs.

Black market sellers: They are not satisfied because they can no longer sell the lantern at a $100 price.

Lastly, people who bought the plush and are unhappy with this decision: This group makes up a very small portion.

I believe Klei did the right thing by acting for the majority’s benefit.

But the people who bought the plush and are unhappy with this decision didn’t have to be sacrificed — and Klei didn’t even make more profit from it.

All they had to do was add some obvious distinguishing features to set the resurrected skins apart from the "proof of purchase" ones.

Otherwise, how can they justify promoting the skins as exclusive and rare when selling the merchandise?

Did they really think all we merch buyers wanted was just a "proof of purchase" tag?

2 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

2.Since Klei released these skins with selling and trading enabled, Klei also has responsibility for any disadvantage to players that results from the Klei sanctioned sales and trades.

Aside from the price increase of the Tesla Lantern (which happened because the figure itself was a limited edition), the reason other merchandise items could rise in price in the hands of scalpers was simply because Klei failed to restock them in a timely manner.

They never claimed those items were limited edition — if Klei had maintained a stable supply, scalpers wouldn’t have been able to make a single cent from reselling.

It was exactly because of their intermittent stock shortages that scalpers had an opportunity to profit.

Also, why is it that the last time Calico Chester was out of stock, they didn’t take any action — it took two years before a reissue came out, and during that time, scalpers were allowed to sell it for over $300 — but this time, they’re suddenly making a move?

[GimplyGoose]

This seems fine to me. Like tell me specifically what you lose from this? It is not quantifiable. 

9 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

And the reason we’re seeing resurrected skins now is because these merchandise items have already been on sale for many years — there are barely any merch-skin buyers left to exploit, so now they’ve set their sights on ordinary skin buyers by releasing resurrected skins.

 

[NexusMercer]

1 minute ago, GimplyGoose said:

This seems fine to me. Like tell me specifically what you lose from this? It is not quantifiable. 

 

Trust in Klei's product sales and the respect from Klei.  It makes me feel like a clown for supporting Klei’s merchandise — Klei doesn’t care whether you actually bought their merch or not, as long as they can make money from your pocket.

I truly love this game, and I genuinely hope DST continues to grow and improve. That’s why I was willing to spend three to four hundred dollars on merchandise from Klei to support them.

But that doesn’t mean Klei can ignore their own marketing and play word games to deceive me.

If they don’t even respect their loyal, paying merch supporters, what do you think that says about how they view ordinary players?

[GimplyGoose]

Just now, NexusMercer said:

Trust in Klei's product sales and the respect from Klei.  It makes me feel like a clown for supporting Klei’s merchandise — Klei doesn’t care whether you actually bought their merch or not, as long as they can make money from your pocket.

How specifically did Klei betray your trust as a consumer? You got the product you paid for. How are you harmed by other people getting a similar product at a cheaper price?

[lowercase skye]

9 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

Do they really think that the people who bought the Klei merch and support Klei will look at this and go, “I’ll keep buying Klei merch and supporting Klei”? 

I'll keep buying Klei merch and supporting Klei.

[NexusMercer]

14 minutes ago, GimplyGoose said:

How specifically did Klei betray your trust as a consumer? You got the product you paid for. How are you harmed by other people getting a similar product at a cheaper price?

Like what I said, when Klei released the merchandise skins, they specifically promoted their rarity and exclusivity. Now they introduce the Resurrected Skins and tell me that this so-called rarity and exclusivity only comes down to an invisible “Proof of Purchase” tag in-game? Isn’t that just playing word games — essentially a form of deception? If Klei had made it clear from the start that the only thing rare or exclusive about the skin was the “Proof of Purchase” label, there would be no issue. But you can’t put out vague and misleading marketing to trick merchandise buyers who only wanted the skin.
It’s like a store advertising a limited-edition piece of clothing, saying it can only be purchased from their store right now. Then after you buy it, they start mass distributing it — you can get it online or from any random shop. When you question them, saying “Wasn’t this supposed to be limited and exclusive?”, they tell you, “The only limited part was the price tag attached to the clothing.”
As for what I would think when others are able to purchase at a lower price — I bought the merchandise at full price. Even during Black Friday, when these items go on 50% off, I have no resentment at all, because that’s just business. How much discount Klei wants to offer is their choice. If they’re willing to take a loss and give them away for free, I wouldn’t object — because that’s a normal commercial practice. When you buy any product, you’re implicitly accepting that it may be sold at a lower price later.

But that doesn’t mean I can accept being deceived. When you promoted the product, you emphasized the uniqueness and rarity of the skin to make it stand out. Then after I made the purchase, you turn around and tell me that your promotion was just a lie, and everything you said was nonsense.

You might think there’s no difference between me accepting a price drop and the sale of Resurrected Skins, but I want to say — there’s a fundamental difference. A price drop is a normal business decision. But selling Resurrected Skins violates the original promotional messaging — it’s a form of deception. Even if the end result seems similar, the intent and integrity behind it are entirely different.

9 minutes ago, lowercase skye said:

I'll keep buying Klei merch and supporting Klei.

Even if they think you’re nothing?

[lowercase skye]

8 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

Even if they think you’re nothing?

No company is your friend.

[NexusMercer]

18 minutes ago, lowercase skye said:

No company is your friend.

Even if you're willing to spend more money to support them? If there's no return for what you give, then why do you support them? Do you just simply want to spend money?

[AliceShiki]

3 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

It sounds like a No True Scotsman fallacy. Please do not treat me or the people who resent as not user and do not label us as scalpers or allies of scalpers without evidence. If you really think we look like resellers masquerading as users, Please report us; Klei or Steam are surely better at investigating such claims than we are.

Scalping is not against the TOS to the best of my knowledge, so there is 0 reason to report anyone. It's just a scummy moves that everyone hates, but there aren't really any laws or Terms of Service anywhere that protect people against scalping to the best of my knowledge, so they're just hate targets.

And, no, it's not a fallacy to call someone out on the fact that they pretend they care about lost value of a product for any reason other than resale value. That's the only reason why any user would ever be mad about price drops, otherwise it's irrelevant to them because they weren't going to resell it anyways.

That's just logic. Someone can argue in circles all they want about broken promises or whatever, the reality is that all this stuff is absolutely irrelevant if they weren't planning on reselling the product. It's just a scalper masquerading as a real user and you're being tricked into thinking that they're arguing in good faith when they're not.

[cropo]

32 minutes ago, NexusMercer said:

Even if you're willing to spend more money to support them? If there's no return for what you give, then why do you support them? Do you just simply want to spend money?

Did you seriously "support" Klei, a company known for being extremely generous and open with their products(they gave Hamlet away for free to a lot of people!) because you wanted some kind of trophy to flaunt ingame that common people couldn't get, and now you're angry that common people can get the skin now? Because through everything you're saying, that's the message I'm getting.

This really REALLY is not the company you want to be making prestige investments into; they are learning as they go with how they used to do things in this game. They started the skin system the way they did not because they wanted to foster some kind of elitist cabal of scalpers but because they just thought it'd be a neat little gift to go with a fun little plushie. They've changed their minds on skins multiple times throughout the course of DST because they learned more and more as time went on.

Edited July 2, 2025 by cropo

[NexusMercer]

29 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

That's just logic. Someone can argue in circles all they want about broken promises or whatever, the reality is that all this stuff is absolutely irrelevant if they weren't planning on reselling the product. It's just a scalper masquerading as a real user and you're being tricked into thinking that they're arguing in good faith when they're not.

Irrelevant? If you think blatantly violating one’s own promotional promises is something irrelevant, then you have absolutely no need to participate in this discussion. Just like how you assume that everyone who feels deceived by Klei and joins the discussion is a scalper, I also think you’re simply someone with a hatred toward those who spend more—you don’t care about the core of the issue; you just want to see others suffer losses.

33 minutes ago, cropo said:

Did you seriously "support" Klei, a company known for being extremely generous and open with their products(they gave Hamlet away for free to a lot of people!) because you wanted some kind of trophy to flaunt ingame that common people couldn't get, and now you're angry that common people can get the skin now? Because through everything you're saying, that's the message I'm getting.

This really REALLY is not the company you want to be making prestige investments into; they are learning as they go with how they used to do things in this game. They started the skin system the way they did not because they wanted to foster some kind of elitist cabal of scalpers but because they just thought it'd be a neat little gift to go with a fun little plushie. They've changed their minds on skins multiple times throughout the course of DST because they learned more and more as time went on.

After reading your comments, it's clear to me that you don't care about the core issue at all. You're simply happy because the scalpers' interests were harmed, and you're completely indifferent to the fact that Klei violated its own promotional promises. I think you can stop participating in this discussion.

[Bumber64]

8 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

However, guys continue to being jerks and oppose it without offering any reason beyond “idc.” It make me beyond angry, make me confused. Just… Why?

You've been given multiple reasons by multiple people. That fact doesn't change just because you didn't like what you heard and pretend it wasn't said.

Reason #1: This allows more players to enjoy the skins.

8 hours ago, NexusMercer said:

Most people are happy to see others' wealth or possessions lose value — this is likely a form of envy or resentment toward the rich.

Except you haven't lost value unless you're planning on reselling, in which case you were scalping. The utility value of using the skin remains the same. It seems you're unhappy that peasants are now able to afford nice dinnerware previously restricted to the wealthy.

Reason #2: Existing users of the skins have not lost any functionality. Still works the same.

And of course...

Reason #3: It hurts scalpers, disincentivizing a scummy practice.

Edited July 2, 2025 by Bumber64