What's the attitude of Klei to the organized griefer on pub

[BarHot 857]

Hello, everyone. Nice to meet you all!

I would like to state how the organized greifer group is working. 
The group picks up a winter pub which has fewer than 6 gamers, then the burn accounts keep joining until no vacuum. 
The first greifer usually is Wendy, who can farm monster meats for another geifer woodie who has the Master-beaver skill to smash the victim's base in a few seconds. (They are not random griefers, but have more strategies, ig. Woodie holds a beaver-master skill point before they execute the evil plan, using the Ping mod bug to crash ppl out; the worst thing is the good gamers will be kicked out server because of the burning account mimicking gamers' ID. 

After they ruin the base, one victim starts a kick vote; unfortunately, there is no chance to defeat them in a fragile 6 yes 6 "democratic" vote system.
except that, almost burn account will starving to death togther after couple od days, those ghosts keep sucking the sanity of the rest of gamers, most of gammers will be killed buy shadow creatures/frozzen.

There are 2 endings that we can see, the first one is the griefer group's "hostile takeover" of the pub, then they regenerate the world after everyone has suffered. The second one is even worse, people compromise and regenerate the world, then get kicked one by one. 
This situation happened at least a year ago, and I browsed some posts complaining about the same thing, but I didn't see any direct replies by Klei on any of the posts. 
It makes no sense that a new joiner has the right to participate in a vote kicking, they don't even know what's going on, Hoping Klei restricts voting rights to stop it.

P.S., if you can't distinguish nicknames, please download ID viewer mod. Griefers can mimic victims' nicknames, but Klei ID/steam ID is unique.

[konijnenmoed]

Others including me have reported this problem several times, and well... Don't get your hopes up. Klei does not acknowledge or do something about it. 

[Radicaljoe]

As sad as it is, that is unfortunately the cost of a public server. It's not nice, but that's why you can put passwords on personal servers.

I don't really expect them to fix this, as this is more of players being mean rather than players cheating or something.

[Edible Coal]

i would say is pretty impossible to fix this, just move to community server or privates, or just embrace the nature of casual servers

[BarHot 857]

What about adding like a new joiner timer, ig, 20 days server, you have to play at least 10 days, then you have the right to click yes/no 

[Edible Coal]

41 minutes ago, BarHot 857 said:

What about adding like a new joiner timer, ig, 20 days server, you have to play at least 10 days, then you have the right to click yes/no 

yes! and also the ability to rollback 2/3 days 

[Radicaljoe]

1 hour ago, BarHot 857 said:

What about adding like a new joiner timer, ig, 20 days server, you have to play at least 10 days, then you have the right to click yes/no 

They kinda have that? You have to have played long enough to call a vote, but any person can choose an option on a vote. Which, yeah, does get undermined by the ability to cancel the vote due to a draw, making any votes called, worthless anyway.

[Edible Coal]

17 minutes ago, Radicaljoe said:

They kinda have that? You have to have played long enough to call a vote, but any person can choose an option on a vote. Which, yeah, does get undermined by the ability to cancel the vote due to a draw, making any votes called, worthless anyway.

i think vote kick doesnt need to surivive for 10 days

[BarHot 857]

I tried to provide proofs, but the image couldn't be displayed several times.

[Mr.Shady]

@BarHot 857

i recommend joining servers (discord) like DST survivors and reporting them there. and maybe just play there instead, "if" it makes you feel safer.
i don't know if anyone has told you that, but Klei servers are not moderated at all, so take that with a grain of salt, whenever griefing happens. doesn't mean it stops you from telling other server hosters that this player has griefed, given with enough evidence, so that's what i recommend you do instead.

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if you care about reporting griefers: install the mod "Show Nicknames (client)", use a shadow play in the background to record evidence, make screenshots when in doubt, press tab to check the players steam profile, check your game logs, and don't forget you can also view last played players in steam if you go on the top left of steam "view -> players"

On 6/28/2025 at 1:58 AM, konijnenmoed said:

Klei does not acknowledge or do something about it. 

they do, there's been a new change they added not so long ago, and that is spawn protection. it gives you invisibility and noclipping for a certain amount of time whenever it detects buildings or based upon the setting chosen. this was implemented because i remember there was a moment where one klei server had their portal closed by fossil fragments from griefers, waaaay back then like 2017, when the new reign update came out. crazy i know, but that was the reason for this little change. 

[konijnenmoed]

11 hours ago, Mr.Shady said:

@BarHot 857

i recommend joining servers (discord) like DST survivors and reporting them there. and maybe just play there instead, "if" it makes you feel safer.
i don't know if anyone has told you that, but Klei servers are not moderated at all, so take that with a grain of salt, whenever griefing happens. doesn't mean it stops you from telling other server hosters that this player has griefed, given with enough evidence, so that's what i recommend you do instead.

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if you care about reporting griefers: install the mod "Show Nicknames (client)", use a shadow play in the background to record evidence, make screenshots when in doubt, press tab to check the players steam profile, check your game logs, and don't forget you can also view last played players in steam if you go on the top left of steam "view -> players"

they do, there's been a new change they added not so long ago, and that is spawn protection. it gives you invisibility and noclipping for a certain amount of time whenever it detects buildings or based upon the setting chosen. this was implemented because i remember there was a moment where one klei server had their portal closed by fossil fragments from griefers, waaaay back then like 2017, when the new reign update came out. crazy i know, but that was the reason for this little change. 

I was talking about the specific issue OP was talking about on dedicated official Klei servers tho, hence me saying they don't do something about the issue. I've reported it even through their contact form including names, IDs, screenshots and logs that showed this specific way of griefing. This scenario would not be resolved with spawn protection either.

[BarHot 857]

Thanks for your advice. However, Discord is unable to solve the problem fundamentally, as it is not possible to remember every gamer's Klei IDs. You may notice the image I posted,  all those ghosts are new burn accounts. I noticed that a few posts mentioned that official servers are not moderated at all. From my perspective, Klei doesn't need to incur costs and energy to do that. Just focus on optimization of the voting system, making long days players more valuable.
Also, I was confused about why a kicked griefer can rejoin the server in 15 minutes, it's helpless, because patient griefers can ruin your base over and over again, the victims have to keep roll back. 
About the beaver master-skill, I have no idea in which situation people have to smash constructions with it; on the contrary, it does help griefers to destroy more efficiently.

[WendyHater9000]

Why should klei deal griefer in their public server?

You might hate them, but they didn't violate any TOS.

If you don't want to get griefed, what's even the point to join klei server?

Just play in community public server like DST survivor/Meow server, and you'll be fine.

May I ask you why you insist to play in klei's server while you know it's full of greifer?

Edited June 30, 2025 by kevindaze

[BarHot 857]

2 hours ago, kevindaze said:

为什么 klei 要在他们的公共服务器中处理悲伤者？

你可能讨厌他们，但他们没有违反任何服务条款。

如果你不想受到伤害，加入 klei 服务器还有什么意义呢？

只需在社区公共服务器（如 DST 幸存者/Meow 服务器）中玩，你就会没事的。

我可以问一下你为什么坚持在 klei 的服务器上玩，尽管你知道那里到处都是悲伤者？

Hello, I didn't ask Klei to deal with griefers. What I asked is to change the voting system.

ofc I don't like them. If what you mentioned is Klei's guidelines https://forums.kleientertainment.com/guidelines/, they did violate some policies,

1.Disruption: Behavior that is deemed inflammatory, abusive or racist language (in any language), or discussions intended to disrupt players either individually or as a group (i.e. trolling) will not be permitted. This also includes all actions intended to harass, annoy or disrupt the enjoyment of other players.
 2.Alternate Accounts: Alternate accounts are discouraged. Users found utilizing alternate accounts for any reason, including to disrupt or persuade opinions of others may have their accounts removed.

3.Harassment: Harassment is defined as any repeated action by one player or a group of players intended to routinely disrupt the experience of the game or services for others. Harassment can be defined many ways, and is not necessarily limited to the type of language used, but the intent. Repeatedly targeting a specific player with harassment can lead to more severe action taken.

4.Impersonation: You may not falsely represent yourself as any other player or as a representative of Klei Entertainment, Facebook, Google, Twitter or any other service or organization while using community services controlled by Klei Entertainment.

I can't agree with "full of griefers", almost of players are polite, kind, and nice, and I added them as friends, that's the core of the game "together" and why I am active on pub.

[Captain_Rage]

1. and 3. are subjective and enforcing these rules takes substantial resources. In doing so Klei would have less time for arguably more fun things like creating and ironing out new content. Why invest in a battle against griefers on public servers that you cannot win when all players have to do is to host and moderate their own servers to their liking?

[00petar00]

6 hours ago, BarHot 857 said:

Thanks for your advice. However, Discord is unable to solve the problem fundamentally, as it is not possible to remember every gamer's Klei IDs. You may notice the image I posted,  all those ghosts are new burn accounts. I noticed that a few posts mentioned that official servers are not moderated at all. From my perspective, Klei doesn't need to incur costs and energy to do that. Just focus on optimization of the voting system, making long days players more valuable.
Also, I was confused about why a kicked griefer can rejoin the server in 15 minutes, it's helpless, because patient griefers can ruin your base over and over again, the victims have to keep roll back. 
About the beaver master-skill, I have no idea in which situation people have to smash constructions with it; on the contrary, it does help griefers to destroy more efficiently.

Official klei servers are always a net negative with publicity and experience for the players and the biggest problem are griefers.

Big DST host groups have their own banlist and no one gets easily removed from it, I don't think there was ever a situation where 6-7 players joined and decided to abuse vote kicking or rollback because they know that it is their time that it is wasted because you can easily report it and an admin can hop on.

While you can claim that these accounts hold no value since maybe on steam they are low level/private but no one is going to spend money for 6-7 accounts a day to grief you when their accounts are banned but even If this situation that has never happened somehow does on a community server the response can still be very fast from admins that it really isn't worth for them to do it because you won't lose anything besides some time but they end up losing more.

DST character skills shouldn't be balanced around griefers, it is your problem that you play on pubs without moderation.

1 hour ago, BarHot 857 said:

1.Disruption: Behavior that is deemed inflammatory, abusive or racist language (in any language), or discussions intended to disrupt players either individually or as a group (i.e. trolling) will not be permitted. This also includes all actions intended to harass, annoy or disrupt the enjoyment of other players.

I am against censorship so any automated moderation in chat is something I would be against.

1 hour ago, BarHot 857 said:

2.Alternate Accounts: Alternate accounts are discouraged. Users found utilizing alternate accounts for any reason, including to disrupt or persuade opinions of others may have their accounts removed.

Do you think griefers care about this? They can get more accounts and easily change their name in game to some regular because steam allows it. They don't care about getting banned from community servers and even If they do for some reason play on them regularly and don't grief on that account there is literally no way to track them and honestly I have no problem with them If they do follow the rules on the community servers.

1 hour ago, BarHot 857 said:

3.Harassment: Harassment is defined as any repeated action by one player or a group of players intended to routinely disrupt the experience of the game or services for others. Harassment can be defined many ways, and is not necessarily limited to the type of language used, but the intent. Repeatedly targeting a specific player with harassment can lead to more severe action taken.

I don't think you understand how much resources would be required for klei to pay attention to and it still wouldn't be enough unless they had dedicated moderators for their pubs but the servers that you play on are hosted on machines with rules that don't allow them to be played long term and every restart means that you lose all progress so either way most players wouldn't want to moderate such servers.

1 hour ago, BarHot 857 said:

4.Impersonation: You may not falsely represent yourself as any other player or as a representative of Klei Entertainment, Facebook, Google, Twitter or any other service or organization while using community services controlled by Klei Entertainment.

Again, why do you think that people who do this would care? Didn't you say that they use burner accounts? How do you expect developers to enforce this and everything else you asked for?

I have been very vocal on the forums and I have been correct when it came to this issue, klei should shut down their official pubs because it brings them bad PR and they only keep losing because they are hosting official servers.

How many threads are made because of official pubs? Literally almost all of them are negative.

[BarHot 857]

have to show some proofs

[AliceShiki]

5 hours ago, Captain_Rage said:

1. and 3. are subjective and enforcing these rules takes substantial resources. In doing so Klei would have less time for arguably more fun things like creating and ironing out new content. Why invest in a battle against griefers on public servers that you cannot win when all players have to do is to host and moderate their own servers to their liking?

If it's in Klei's TOS, then it's expected that Klei enforces it.

What it would cost to Klei is irrelevant to the conversation. Klei was the one who created the TOS, so it's on Klei to enforce it.

If Klei doesn't want to enforce it, then Klei should change their TOS.

4 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

While you can claim that these accounts hold no value since maybe on steam they are low level/private but no one is going to spend money for 6-7 accounts a day to grief you when their accounts are banned

You have just explained why people want Klei to enforce their TOS. If accs were banned regularly for breaking TOS, then people would stop doing it because it would cost them too much money to continue griefing with their burner accounts.

4 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

DST character skills shouldn't be balanced around griefers,

OP isn't asking for changes to Woodie, they're asking for changes on how Vote Kick works, or changes that stop people who were kicked from a server from rejoining it.

4 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

I am against censorship so any automated moderation in chat is something I would be against.

4 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

Do you think griefers care about this? They can get more accounts and easily change their name in game to some regular because steam allows it. They don't care about getting banned from community servers and even If they do for some reason play on them regularly and don't grief on that account there is literally no way to track them and honestly I have no problem with them If they do follow the rules on the community servers.

4 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

I don't think you understand how much resources would be required for klei to pay attention to and it still wouldn't be enough unless they had dedicated moderators for their pubs but the servers that you play on are hosted on machines with rules that don't allow them to be played long term and every restart means that you lose all progress so either way most players wouldn't want to moderate such servers.

4 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

Again, why do you think that people who do this would care? Didn't you say that they use burner accounts? How do you expect developers to enforce this and everything else you asked for?

OP isn't saying that the griefers care about any of that, nor was OP suggesting automatic chat moderation. OP was simply replying to someone who said, "You might hate them, but they didn't violate any TOS", so OP quoted 4 different TOS violations of the griefers.

This has nothing to do with griefers caring about it or not caring, and it also has nothing to do with how much effort it would take from Klei to enforce it... It's a pretty simple situation. The TOS was violated, and it's the company's job to enforce their TOS. All that users can do is reporting said violations, so that's what OP is doing, on top of trying to suggest changes that would make it harder for griefers to violate the TOS in the first place.

[konijnenmoed]

11 hours ago, BarHot 857 said:

have to show some proofs

This is the exact group I have reported, same as some other people I know. Klei doesn't do anything about it, I'm sorry to tell you this, but they just don't.

1 minute ago, konijnenmoed said:

This is the exact group I have reported, same as some other people I know. Klei doesn't do anything about it, I'm sorry to tell you this, but they just don't.

Only thing I'd like to add: you might have the same "pleasure" as I had, when they use your name as username during griefing, so you can report them to Steam for impersonating. That's the only time I've seen an account I reported get (temporarily) banned from Steam – not by Klei.

The only downside is that some people might think you are a griefer when you join servers from other regions. :skull:

[BarHot 857]

3 hours ago, konijnenmoed said:

这正是我举报的那个团体，和我认识的其他人一样。Klei对此无动于衷，很遗憾地告诉你，但他们就是不这么做。

我只想补充一点：当他们在恶意攻击时使用你的名字作为用户名时，你可能会像我一样感到“高兴”，这样你就可以向 Steam 举报他们冒充账号了。这是我唯一一次看到我举报的账号被 Steam （暂时）封禁——而且不是被 Klei 封禁的。

唯一的缺点是，当您加入其他地区的服务器时，有些人可能会认为您是个恶意破坏者。:skull:

What you suffered was on me, too, hoping Klei can give a simple reply this time.  

[Captain_Rage]

16 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

If Klei doesn't want to enforce it, then Klei should change their TOS.

This makes for a good point. Writing such terms of service and not enforcing them sends a bleak message. Still, what I wrote feels like the only sane solution. Play with people you know and trust. If Klei chose to go after griefers there would have to be court hearings or constant monitoring at all times which is neither feasible nor desirable.

Like other players pointed out many times: the fickle nature of Klei's public servers is merely suited for making new friends and very casual play.

[00petar00]

On 6/30/2025 at 5:02 PM, AliceShiki said:

You have just explained why people want Klei to enforce their TOS. If accs were banned regularly for breaking TOS, then people would stop doing it because it would cost them too much money to continue griefing with their burner accounts.

How does this warrant effort and development time being taken away from developers so that they moderate servers and how many players would actually be fine with this trade-off?

On 6/30/2025 at 5:02 PM, AliceShiki said:

OP isn't asking for changes to Woodie, they're asking for changes on how Vote Kick works, or changes that stop people who were kicked from a server from rejoining it.

Again, this is just more time wasted on things most players don't care about.

On 6/30/2025 at 5:02 PM, AliceShiki said:

This has nothing to do with griefers caring about it or not caring, and it also has nothing to do with how much effort it would take from Klei to enforce it... It's a pretty simple situation. The TOS was violated, and it's the company's job to enforce their TOS. All that users can do is reporting said violations, so that's what OP is doing, on top of trying to suggest changes that would make it harder for griefers to violate the TOS in the first place.

At that point and even currently it is in klei's best interest to shut down their official servers when players hold such expectations because it literally can't be expected of them to invest that much time or hire people to moderate and If they do enforce some rules on their official servers why wouldn't other hosts request the same and ask for permanent bans when these rules are broken?

[Queron81]

Couldn't Klei just use the banlists of the DST groups? You can also report griefers from the official Klei servers there. Klei would have nothing to do with this list.

[Edible Coal]

1 hour ago, Queron81 said:

Couldn't Klei just use the banlists of the DST groups? You can also report griefers from the official Klei servers there. Klei would have nothing to do with this list.

just go play dst groups at this point

[AliceShiki]

9 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

How does this warrant effort and development time being taken away from developers so that they moderate servers and how many players would actually be fine with this trade-off?

Again, this is just more time wasted on things most players don't care about.

At that point and even currently it is in klei's best interest to shut down their official servers when players hold such expectations because it literally can't be expected of them to invest that much time or hire people to moderate and If they do enforce some rules on their official servers why wouldn't other hosts request the same and ask for permanent bans when these rules are broken?

Klei is the one who made the ToS. It's on Klei to enforce it.

The resources it would take are not the players' problems.