"Nothing worlds", and how Jimbo revolutionizes them

[Evelo]

4 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Maybe it’s there for people who are fans of both franchises?

Also after re-reading this I AM a fan of both franchises. I am a fan of Terraria, and Cult of the Lamb, and hundreds of other games. I like them because of what THEY are uniquely. Crossovers squander that uniqueness to me personally. So just allowing me to turn it off is fine. You can have your cake and eat it too in this instance. I dislike crossovers but if they happen they happen, just so long as I am allowed to disable it. (Once unlocked you'd always find the items in future runs in Dead Cells which I despised when I played it until you were allowed to select which items were and were not allowed to appear in a later update).

[Spunney]

3 hours ago, GimplyGoose said:

Wicker can craft tier 2 magic items with a science machine (or alchemy engine/bookcase) without a presti.

Very excited about the new possibilities on nothing worlds with Jimbo.

Oh I had no clue it worked like that, I've never played Wickerbottom before XD Thanks for letting me know!

And just to reiterate: Please take arguing about Jimbo/crossovers/whatever you decide you're upset about to other threads that are made for that topic. This is a thread about nothing worlds.

 

[Spunney]

NEW UPDATE:

Any character can access tier 2 magic!!

If you get the trapped chest setpiece with gunpowder inside, you can take out some of the gunpowder and, if you're lucky, get enough rabbits from the earthquakes that the gunpowder would cause in a cave to make a prestihatitator. You can also duplicate the gunpowder; using one gunpowder makes 4 canon balls, and deconstructing each (with a deconstruction staff) nets you 1 gunpowder PER cannonball. This also means shadow pieces can be effectively farmed with the canon cheese method (at the cost of about 7-8 deconstruction staff uses). You can also sorta farm shadow knights with tentacles, on small scales (no more than 5 knights, or so).

Other things I've learned include:

-Pigs and bunnymen don't respawn from their hutches, much like spiders (disabling a mob turns off their respawning capabilities). However, the original one from placing the structures still spawns, so if you build a pig house under the effects of a construction amulet then get a werepig and kill them before deconstructing, you actually profit an extra pig skin (start with 2, end with 5), which is nice!

-It's possible to get every kind of feather, as well as beefalo wool and cookie cutter shells, via trading for various floats and lures with Pearl, and then deconstructing them. "Every kind of feather" includes down feathers!

-You can get carrot seeds as a 0.9% drops from Naked Mole Bat burrows (Naked Mole Bats spawn from earthquakes in the Lunar Grotto), which would then make carrots easily farmable! (this one was told to me by @gaymime! ) But it's actually much easier just to murder carrats which also come from Grotto earthquakes; they drop carrot seeds at a 33% chance. Upon testing (calling in 20+ earthquakes or so), it seems that naked mole bats don't actually spawn in nothing world earthqaukes. I have no idea why.

-Kelp is theoretically farmable, as kelp stalks can incredibly rarely spawn from ocean debris

-Ice, and lots of it, still spawns near frostjaw

-Werepigs still spawn from the moonstone event, and that'd make for the easiest and cheapest way to obtain sizable amounts of pigskin and large meat! 

-I already knew this one before but didn't mention it in the original post, but you can finish enough of Pearl's quests and get her pearl, but only as Wickerbottom. (Chair, dried food, salvageables, bulb (still spawns) and the 5 fishing quests via Angler's Survival Guide). You can also fully upgrade the hermit home, if you feel like using 10 deconstruction staff uses to get enough cookie cutter shells.

-You can plant a single berry bush if your world has the fallen survivor with a bush hat, which you would then deconstruct. Some fallen survivors can still generate even with "Failed Survivors" turned off; my guess is that there's some that are actually just setpieces, internally

-Practical rain rituals doesn't summon rain, nor does it summon snow. :<

Trying to come up with some method for getting the bees to come out of Pearl's bee box. It doesn't seem like it can be damaged by any means, and I don't think there's any way to plant flowers. If someone has an idea, test it or let me know!

[gaymime]

9 minutes ago, Spunney said:

 it seems that naked mole bats don't actually spawn in nothing world earthqaukes. I have no idea why.

that is a change i never knew! thankyou for updating me ^^

[Spunney]

OH ALSO I FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I FOUND OUT!! LUREPLANTS EAT AND DIGEST PLAYING CARDS! Actually game-changing discovery, literally only way to realistically clean them up

[somethin]

On 4/16/2025 at 4:46 AM, Spunney said:

OH ALSO I FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I FOUND OUT!! LUREPLANTS EAT AND DIGEST PLAYING CARDS! Actually game-changing discovery, literally only way to realistically clean them up

IIRC they eat every item and small mobs except those that are one per world.

[Master_NiX]

I don't get people hating this, it's like having midsummer cawnival. If anything, this thing fits it perfectly that I want to make amusement park in DST now.

[Adgycarp]

Hey, it's nice to see a post about this concept, I happen to be quite enthusiastic about this concept of gameplay as well, the so called nothing world.

I have been doing a run of my own employing some quite specific strategies, and maybe you'd be interested in seeing my findings so far, as it might be a nice addition to your findings so far. Speaking of which, those are some nice insights you shared in this post (: Especially using the earthquakes to get the rabbit king, to get rabbit hutches.

My strat to survive starvation in the early game was to pick woodie, and using a seeded world with a planned out route (this would be technically possible, but extremely challenging and RNG reliant without a seed);
Rushing the tree setpiece, pickaxe, cave entrances, and gold from the mosaic gravesites to make the science machine and think tank and boat
then heading to a set of 2 nearby waterlogged biomes to survive off of figtrees.
This worked decently, but definitely not easily, for the first couple days, after which further steps could be taken...

Like you mentioned, using different characters would be paramount to make certain progress. Wickerbottom definitely proved very useful. I'd like to share some insights i case you'd wanna see it
Though as a sidenote, some progress relies on allowing yourself to switch characters somehow (my own approach was wilderness mode)

• Plant fully grown above-average trees, stand under them as wick or maxwell and spam "The end is Nigh"; you will get an infinite supply of twigs and grass falling from under the trees. Additionally, you will get nightmare fuel from shadows that spawn, which usually don't appear except for ruins statues in the strong nightmare phase.
• You can do the mooncaller event to get pigskins from werepigs
• you can summon a forest stalker to get lightbulbs, ferns, glowberries. infinite rot, and when you got pigs: infinite manure
• with woodie or wormwood: get living logs, make mushroom planters: dig cave turf, to deconstruct it for mushroom spores.
• Thanks to a certain bug, you can max out pearl's friendship and get the pearl (which is useless but it looks cool to have)
• Reworked treasure: archaic boat, winged sails, ancient trees for easy gems and night vision.
• with winona: using catapults to cheese shadow pieces for weapon, armor, nmf and shadow atria.
• Pearl's fish food makes fish spawn.
• With wurt: Build a king (you need to be lucky to have a random merm setpiece, since they won't spawn from initially building a merm house, the way pigs do); give the king fishes you got from wicker's books, or pearl's fish food; this gets you a steady supply of random seeds, allowing you to farm any crop.

Maybe this info is useful to you. it's nice seeing other people who are equally intrigued by this world concept

[Spunney]

Thanks for the info @Adgycarp! Nice to hear from fellow nothing world enjoyers ^^ Had no idea that lighting strikes caused twigs and grass to drop from the water trees, that's amazing : D

I figured the forest skeleton thing on my previous stream that just ended, which is the stream where I actually killed Fuelweaver in a nothing world! I guess that would make me the first, apropos of  any other claims or evidence. Wickerbottom's tentacles helped a ton; I used Mr. Giggio's method. Below is a picture of my base, as it currently sits. Some junk on the ground; didn't feel like cleaning it up for the screenshot. And the reason there's so many watering cans is that you can only fill them during summer (oasis lake), so it's best to take advantage of it XD

Thanks for all of the tips and feedback everyone! Let's see what else we can do with nothing worlds! There's a few things that still elude, things that I feel like may be possible but I can't figure a method for. Those things are:

-Access to birds (primarily for a birdcage, but also may allow access to generic seeds) - @gaymime mentioned something about entering and leaving sinkholes; something about a bug that lights-out world players exploit, but I couldn't find anything on it (please share more info!)

-Access to any non-carrot seeds

-Any way to trigger rain or snow

-When exactly you're supposed to go to Frostjaw's island to get the melted ice from the ice floe melting. I show up after it should have melted and sometimes it's in the water, and sometimes it isn't. And I've never actually seen the island grow in size with my own eyes, even if the wiki says it's supposed to happen during winter, but the ice still has to come from somewhere? No clue what's going on there... at least you can get ice from an ice breams.

-Maybe there's something you can do to get Beequeen to spawn? Hammering the hive doesn't work, she doesn't come out, but the hive IS still there so... maybe there's a weird bug to exploit?

Other notes:

-If you did somehow have a bird in a birdcage, you could get corn seeds because corn cods (ocean fish) drop raw corn when killed

-Validity of using the seasonal events? You can't actually turn them off, so I guess they'd have to be valid, right? What interesting stuff could you even get from them? I never interact with them, so I don't really know

[AliceShiki]

Huge gz! Glad you managed to do it! \(^^)/

[Spunney]

On 4/17/2025 at 6:27 PM, AliceShiki said:

Huge gz! Glad you managed to do it! \(^^)/

Thanks! It was awesome : D

I've realized some new stuff to update the thread with! Here's a list of all otherwise non-exclusive items that are, in a nothing world, exclusively obtainable via a specific solo character choice, assuming a world with perfect setpiece generation:

-Juicy berries and juicy berry bushes are possible to be made by Wormwood if he spawns in a world with a bush hat and then deconstructs it to get normal berries. That and his ability to make saplings, monkeytails and lureplants is very nice!

-Scrap is only obtainable via Winona's skill that lets her find caches. She can actually make all of her mechanical items, too! Teleportation and everything! None of the generic scrap-requiring items are craftable, though (besides like... the scrap wall and the scrap-repairing item which you could never use. Exciting! XD)

-Generic seeds, only accessible via Wurt's trading with the Merm king! This means Wurt is the only character who can farm non-carrot crops All characters (Just Wickerbottom, actually. Other characters can not trigger earthquakes to get carrot seeds) can access generic seeds, as pointed out by @Adgycarp! Picking a spoiled giant crop always spawns 2 fruit flies(and there's a 5% chance to spawn one when picking a non-giant rotten crop) which each have a 10% chance of dropping a single generic seed, and because all characters Wickerbottom has the potential to farm carrots, this would give any character both Wickerbottom and Wurt access to generic seeds

-Pearl's pearl, only accessible with Wickerbottom's unique ability to finish all of Pearl's quests

-All bottle-exchange items at friendship 8 and higher are exclusive to Wormwood, who can get 8 friendship points (higher than the generic 7 otherwise possible, because he can finish the 8 berry bush task) and Wickerbottom, who can get the full 10.

-Generic spider nests (and spider warriors, technically) are exclusive to Webber, as he spawns with and can craft them.

-All ocean fish are exclusive to Wickerbottom via her Angler's Survival Guide book

-Anything from cave-earthquakes is exclusive to Wickerbottom, as she is the only character that can trigger them via using Lux Aeterna. This includes:

• Rabbits, the rabbit kings and enforcers and their corresponding drops
• Moleworms
• Stone fruit, and thus stone fruit bushes (Any character can access stone fruit using a telelocator staff obtained from the ruins on something in the lunar grotto, which summons a pseudo-earthquake which can give you stone fruit. Telelocator staff earthquakes do not seem to spawn anything else notable)
• Carrats, and thus carrot seeds and birds (you can't use the birdtrap trick to get birds without seeds to put in the traps). Unless you are playing Wurt, who can get seeds from the Merm king

And here's a list of things that might seem exclusive to certain characters, but are not:

-Beefalo wool is not exclusive to Wilson, as one can find it in the chest-trap setpiece and then duplicate it via saddles, or something. It can also be obtained by deconstructing carpet turf. Nothing is actually exclusive to Wilson, which is a bit funny and a bit sad, given most of his character is defined by crafting abilities

-Tier 1(and tier 2) magic is not exclusive to Wickerbottom, as any character can make a prestihatitator by causing earthquakes in the caves (with gunpowder (that can be duplicated via cannonballs) obtained via the trapped chest setpiece) and getting rabbits Gunpowder doesn't cause earthquakes in the caves (@Adgycarp), apparently, so earthquakes, their drops, and thus the entire magic tab is, indeed, Wickerbottom-exclusive.

-Beard hair isn't exclusive to Wilson either, as any character can get them from either beardlords or royal rabbit enforcers. (See above clarification about earthquakes) but you CAN still get them from shadow splumonkeys, which can spawn from hammering ancient psuedoscience stations.

I'll update this list with anything new!

[Mike23Ua]

What the heck is a “nothing world” and is such a playstyle even possible at all when Klei continues to add new content to the game that never gets an option to turn off?

For example: Im not sure if they have a setting to be toggled to off now, but Grass Gators used to not have a setting to turn them off, making it always possible to obtain grass from them.

Then there are of course characters and skill trees that further trivialize such “worlds”

So I’m sorry I don’t understand how the poker machine is so ground-breaking in this context..?

[Spunney]

5 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

What the heck is a “nothing world” and is such a playstyle even possible at all when Klei continues to add new content to the game that never gets an option to turn off?

For example: Im not sure if they have a setting to be toggled to off now, but Grass Gators used to not have a setting to turn them off, making it always possible to obtain grass from them.

Then there are of course characters and skill trees that further trivialize such “worlds”

So I’m sorry I don’t understand how the poker machine is so ground-breaking in this context..?

Hello and welcome to the thread you have already posted in several times but observably have yet to read. A nothing world is a world with all available things in the world settings disabled. Jimbo is helpful in nothing worlds because it makes early game extremely feasible for non-Webber characters, where it used to be extremely difficult and luck based. All of this was explained in the opening post of the thread. No idea why you're putting "worlds" in scare quotes; if you think the concept is stupid, you're welcome to not engage with it

[Chewabacca]

22 hours ago, Spunney said:

-Validity of using the seasonal events? You can't actually turn them off, so I guess they'd have to be valid, right? What interesting stuff could you even get from them? I never interact with them, so I don't really know

The Hallowed Nights event will spawn a bunch of pumpkins around spawn and Pig King. This includes some pumpkin lanterns, which last a decent time as light sources while Hallowed Nights is running. Most importantly, a pumpkin sprout will spawn in the ground near Pig King by a skeleton with a pumpkin carving tool, and will grow instantly into a giant pumpkin once you pick up the carving tool. This would mean that you could hammer it for pumpkin seeds, giving you something besides carrots to work with.

Edit: checked the wiki and found that the Year of the Carrat event also gives you access to a bunch more seeds through seed packets you can get from races that need basically just gold and boards to set up. No idea if you'd consider this "valid", though, especially since while Hallowed Nights happens every year, the next Year of the Carrat will be 2032.

[Mike23Ua]

53 minutes ago, Spunney said:

Hello and welcome to the thread you have already posted in several times but observably have yet to read. A nothing world is a world with all available things in the world settings disabled. Jimbo is helpful in nothing worlds because it makes early game extremely feasible for non-Webber characters, where it used to be extremely difficult and luck based. All of this was explained in the opening post of the thread. No idea why you're putting "worlds" in scare quotes; if you think the concept is stupid, you're welcome to not engage with it

No you misunderstand, I’m asking HOW are you playing in “nothing” worlds? Is this a PC exclusive feature? There are things on the Xbox version that you can never toggle to “Off” so a nothing world is quite literally impossible, and continues to become so with each update Klei adds to the game that doesn’t have game configuration options (outside of pc mods) that allows you to disable the newer updates.

[lowercase skye]

10 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

No you misunderstand, I’m asking HOW are you playing in “nothing” worlds?

This is answered by the literal first line of the original post.

[Spunney]

46 minutes ago, Chewabacca said:

The Hallowed Nights event will spawn a bunch of pumpkins around spawn and Pig King. This includes some pumpkin lanterns, which last a decent time as light sources while Hallowed Nights is running. Most importantly, a pumpkin sprout will spawn in the ground near Pig King by a skeleton with a pumpkin carving tool, and will grow instantly into a giant pumpkin once you pick up the carving tool. This would mean that you could hammer it for pumpkin seeds, giving you something besides carrots to work with.

Edit: checked the wiki and found that the Year of the Carrat event also gives you access to a bunch more seeds through seed packets you can get from races that need basically just gold and boards to set up. No idea if you'd consider this "valid", though, especially since while Hallowed Nights happens every year, the next Year of the Carrat will be 2032.

Well I personally would definitely consider them valid to use if they're accessible by simply modifying your computer's date, or if it's genuinely the correct time. Nothing worlds are already kinda seasonal challenges to begin with, since updates radically add and remove possibilities all of the time XD

 

Anyways that's really nice! Being able to farm all crops as any character would be awesome : D

[Ridley]

This thread is pretty cool. Reminds me of when DS's adventure mode used to use Reign of Giants, usually causing the non-winter levels to start in summer. I'm 99% certain the teleportato outside of adventure mode used to take you to a world with harsher settings too. It really just made everything a swamp biome eventually.

[Spunney]

4 minutes ago, Ridley said:

This thread is pretty cool. Reminds me of when DS's adventure mode used to use Reign of Giants, usually causing the non-winter levels to start in summer. I'm 99% certain the teleportato outside of adventure mode used to take you to a world with harsher settings too. It really just made everything a swamp biome eventually.

I really like nothing worlds because they breathe new life into the game and makes you think about it in an entirely new way. Especially since it's a mostly unexplored topic, everything feels fresh and like I'm some kind of pioneer figuring everything out! And I love interacting with weird loose-ends of the game that are otherwise unacknowledged, they're often the only ways to do certain things in nothing worlds. I mean seriously, who has ever caused cave-earthquakes on purpose to spawn carrats to get carrot seeds? Why would you ever do that? It turns a lot of borderline aesthetic and incidental details and features into important pieces of progression, and I think that's awesome! ^-^

[Chewabacca]

Figured out a pretty convoluted way to "activate" the shadow rifts if you’re interested. It involves a lot of character swapping, so you’d have to be in a wilderness world, and it could probably be simplified, but here’s what I have for now:

1. Spawn in as Willow. Deconstruct her lighter for the 3 petals. Repeat this 3 more times. If there’s an easier way to get petals, replace this with whatever that would be.
2. Swap to Winona with the shadow skills. Use the petals to make rose-colored glasses.
3. Inspect various things in the atrium and ruins to get pure horror.
4. Once you have as much pure horror as you need, swap again to shadow-aligned Wilson to convert into dreadstone.
So theoretically you could give Charlie the dreadstone she needs and watch her repair the portal, even though nothing will come of this since shadow rifts are set to none.

[Siren11]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

No you misunderstand, I’m asking HOW are you playing in “nothing” worlds? Is this a PC exclusive feature? There are things on the Xbox version that you can never toggle to “Off” so a nothing world is quite literally impossible, and continues to become so with each update Klei adds to the game that doesn’t have game configuration options (outside of pc mods) that allows you to disable the newer updates.

Everything is set to none in a nothing world, but the things that can’t be turned off are vital for your run. If you spawned into a world that truly had absolutely nothing, you wouldn’t be able to survive. Much less accomplishment pretty amazing things like defeating Fuelweaver.

As Spunney has already pointed out, Jimbo is revolutionary bc he allows you to play as characters besides Webber (previously, Webber was the only way to get food early on). I have also never managed to play in a true nothing world before this. I always needed at least Tumbleweeds. But I believe Jimbo makes it possible to play without Tumbleweeds as well.

[Spunney]

1 hour ago, Chewabacca said:

Figured out a pretty convoluted way to "activate" the shadow rifts if you’re interested. It involves a lot of character swapping, so you’d have to be in a wilderness world, and it could probably be simplified, but here’s what I have for now:

1. Spawn in as Willow. Deconstruct her lighter for the 3 petals. Repeat this 3 more times. If there’s an easier way to get petals, replace this with whatever that would be.
2. Swap to Winona with the shadow skills. Use the petals to make rose-colored glasses.
3. Inspect various things in the atrium and ruins to get pure horror.
4. Once you have as much pure horror as you need, swap again to shadow-aligned Wilson to convert into dreadstone.
So theoretically you could give Charlie the dreadstone she needs and watch her repair the portal, even though nothing will come of this since shadow rifts are set to none.

That's really cool! I'm not really interested in playing in anything outside of the default "survival" game mode, but this is certainly very cool tech and thanks for sharing! : D

I wonder what spawns from the shadow rifts, if anything? Someone should test that!

[Ridley]

5 hours ago, Spunney said:

I really like nothing worlds because they breathe new life into the game and makes you think about it in an entirely new way. Especially since it's a mostly unexplored topic, everything feels fresh and like I'm some kind of pioneer figuring everything out! And I love interacting with weird loose-ends of the game that are otherwise unacknowledged, they're often the only ways to do certain things in nothing worlds. I mean seriously, who has ever caused cave-earthquakes on purpose to spawn carrats to get carrot seeds? Why would you ever do that? It turns a lot of borderline aesthetic and incidental details and features into important pieces of progression, and I think that's awesome! ^-^

Thinking about it more, I think what reminds me of those older things is the sense of discovery and problem solving in order to survive. It's the core of a very wonderful series of games.

[Adgycarp]

Hey @Spunney I realized another strat about farming that you could employ, one that is not character-specific:

Basically what this tells is: if you are able to get any type of seed, like the carrot seeds mentioned, then you can grow those into giant crops and let them rot. Picking the rotten giants will give you back 1 seed of the original crop, but it will also spawn 2 common fruitflies. Killing those fruitflies have a small chance to yield random seeds, which you can then use for farming or crafting
(with wicker you can obviously craft the horticulture book, either to dupe seeds or to speed up your progress.)

[Spunney]

New thread update: the question of bees and the power of ghosts!

IF beeboxes still spawn (which I assume they would, though I haven't checked. I would encourage someone to generate ton of worlds and then c_gonext("cookpot") as both setpieces contain crockpots), in either of the two setpieces containing them, then one would have access to bees in their world. They won't come out of the box automatically, but burning the box gets them to come out! The mechanic of bee boxes automatically filling with honey if nearby a flower still works, so you can still use them to get some amount of honey, which is very nice! It would help if you placed your base near a sinkhole, and the bee boxes on the other side of the sinkhole, as the automatic honey mechanic only works while the beeboxes are far from the player.

In addition to beeboxes, one can use bees to fill the whole world with flowers! This is due to a mechanic I just learned about while researching today: when a homeless bee pollinates a flower, they have a pretty sizable chance to spawn another flower nearby. The roses near the stagehand still generate and count as flower for this purpose, so if you give the bees long enough, then you could cover the whole map in flowers! If the flowers can spread to dock turf, then you can theoretically even drag them over to Pearl's island and possibly complete the flower task, but, even if you could, I'm not sure that would complete the task. I'm also not sure what you'd do with all of the flowers, but I think they'd be really nice to see in an otherwise empty world : D

I also looked into player ghost haunting, to see if there was anything you could exploit there, but it was a rather disappointing venture. You can make evil flowers from the roses/regular flowers and have bees spread those, if you'd like! The only thing I found that seemed somewhat practical is that haunting pig torches actually spawns a warrior pig, so if you got one of the warrior pig setpieces, you could do that to spawn in several pigs at the cost of one revive (not expensive), which I think could actually be pretty nice

3 hours ago, Adgycarp said:

Hey @Spunney I realized another strat about farming that you could employ, one that is not character-specific:

Basically what this tells is: if you are able to get any type of seed, like the carrot seeds mentioned, then you can grow those into giant crops and let them rot. Picking the rotten giants will give you back 1 seed of the original crop, but it will also spawn 2 common fruitflies. Killing those fruitflies have a small chance to yield random seeds, which you can then use for farming or crafting
(with wicker you can obviously craft the horticulture book, either to dupe seeds or to speed up your progress.)

Woaaa really?!? That's amazing! I'll have to try that out! Funny we posted at the same time, too XD