I feel so lost

[Mr Giggio]

Dude you cant compare yourself and expect hapiness coming from it. Comparison is the killer of joy. I know doing stuff fast gives dopamine and the rewarding feeling can be good BUT THATS NOT HOW YOU LEARN TO PLAY THE GAME. Those guys have thousands of hours in the game and are just trying to refresh the challanges but we need to start from the start. Its good to have a goal but  give yourself some grace and patience to learn patterns and the requirements of the resources so you can try to polish some runs. Getting frustrated by fails is part of the journey. Hope you find some peace innit.

[Dwight34]

10 hours ago, shaurun said:

Thanks for you kind words. But how can you stop rush after all the videos people post with their 'OP day 3 BQ rush' / 'cheese X' and so on, and all the comments like 'if you can't do 3 raid bosses by day 30, you're so-so player' and 'you should lean the mechanics of this boss'... I want to be in this tier. I know if other people can than why shouldn't I be able to? Why with all the effort put in the game I'm still not good enough? Do I need 1.000.000 hours to be confident?

It's very hard to not rush when you want to be able to rush... I know game is not for that, just trying to express my feelings. I'll definetely overcome this with some time. But it's not easy to get inspired again. You know, it's about self-progress. If you dedicate your tome to smth, you expect to become better in this area. But once I reached some point, I feel like I can't progress anymore. Or can't learn anything else besides what I got used to do. 

You do realize those players aren't playing normally? They use cheat mods to train against bosses for hours on end, they keep spamming hyper risky runs and rollback or restart if they fail. They're not playing the game in any intended way, they're playing it to optimize their play beyond anything a normal player would, even with 2000 hours of active play. It's not at all representative of a legitimate, real playthrough, so stressing over it is pointless.

[Guille6785]

8 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

You do realize those players aren't playing normally? They use cheat mods to train against bosses for hours on end, they keep spamming hyper risky runs and rollback or restart if they fail. They're not playing the game in any intended way, they're playing it to optimize their play beyond anything a normal player would, even with 2000 hours of active play. It's not at all representative of a legitimate, real playthrough, so stressing over it is pointless.

you had a point for 5 seconds before you said these playthroughs aren't “legitimate”, wtf are you talking about? what about these playthroughs make them not “legitimate”, that the skill required to play them out was not obtained through “clean methods” because they used mods to practice? tf

also OP was including people in their post who don't even do the things you just described so this comes off as you just lambasting anyone who can kill more than 1 or 2 bosses in under 4 hours???

[Prinha]

3 hours ago, Guille6785 said:

And most importantly, you need to play with a purpose. I can kill every major boss in the game before day 30 in my sleep if that's what I'm focusing on that day, but if I start a new world with a friend and I don't have any specific objectives in mind I just start doing mindless tasks like uncovering the map on foot (without even using a beefalo) and taking like 17 days just to remember that I have to burn trees to make crock pots. In this scenario you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between me and someone with a tenth of my skills, and it's not because I'm washed up or because my abilities are a farse, it's because it's ridiculous to expect me to automatically have every boss killed by day 30 simply by virtue of being a skilled player as if I had some sort of autopilot mode that automatically made me achieve specific objectives even when I'm not even paying attention to my screen.

I think this bears repeating. 
There is a concept used in fighting games called "mental stack" also popularized in LoL nower days by the Broken By Concept podcast. It's a model that describes that at any given moment our human brains can only consciously process so much information. For example we can pay attention to 5 different things and everything more than that has to be done through autopilot or muscle memory. The ability to process goes down severly when we are under stress or experience intense emotions. 

In DST the player has to 

1) Always have a light source on them

2) Always keep track of their hunger meter so they don't starve

3) Always keep track of their temperature

Then come the next layers like healthbar, armor, weapons, kiting and additional mechanics that bosses may or may not require like managing sanity or special items to interrupt heals and whatnot. 

The point is somebody who has played DST for a long time usually has 1), 2) and 3) down to muscle memory. I don't actively think about light or food or temperature, it's just something I do. But when the mental stack gets overwhelmed because I'm fighting Fuelweaver for the first time in my life and there is 8 additional things to keep track of that I normally don't, then suddenly I might lose track of my hunger or forget that I dropped my thermal stone on the ground and freeze to death. And this only gets better through repetitions because those reps committ the additional things from conscious effort to muscle memory / autopilot. You can also look up inchworm/deliberate practise and the 4 stages of learning (unconscious incompetence -> conscious incompetence -> conscious competence -> unconscious competence). Very interesting topic imo.

[IAmAFurrz]

12 hours ago, shaurun said:

but it would also mean I wold never become better than him just because I would always need much more time than him to become at least equal. 

but why would you NEED to be better than him? its a game, not even a commpetitive one. just have fun

[Mike23Ua]

5 hours ago, Guille6785 said:

you had a point for 5 seconds before you said these playthroughs aren't “legitimate”, wtf are you talking about? what about these playthroughs make them not “legitimate”, that the skill required to play them out was not obtained through “clean methods” because they used mods to practice? tf

also OP was including people in their post who don't even do the things you just described so this comes off as you just lambasting anyone who can kill more than 1 or 2 bosses in under 4 hours???

I don’t mean any offense in saying this but I’ve watched enough speed runner videos to know that’s not a legitimate form of gaming, when you watch someone take something you cherished and adored playing as a child (such as Mario) and then you watch these people use extreme glitches and exploits like a 360 degree jump spin to glitch through walls and skip 40 minutes worth of the games INTENDED Gameplay.. That’s not gaming, and to be honest: I’m not sure WHAT I would call it without insulting someone somewhere.

All that I can say is that to me it feels like it mocks or discredits the developers work in designing the levels etc, if people can find ways to “cheat the system” and do things to bypass large chunks of development code & intended gameplay.

Im not saying that’s you, or anyone on these forums specifically.. I’m just saying if you loved and cherished playing Mario 64, maybe don’t look up speed runs for it.

[Guille6785]

42 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I don’t mean any offense in saying this but I’ve watched enough speed runner videos to know that’s not a legitimate form of gaming, when you watch someone take something you cherished and adored playing as a child (such as Mario) and then you watch these people use extreme glitches and exploits like a 360 degree jump spin to glitch through walls and skip 40 minutes worth of the games INTENDED Gameplay.. That’s not gaming, and to be honest: I’m not sure WHAT I would call it without insulting someone somewhere.

All that I can say is that to me it feels like it mocks or discredits the developers work in designing the levels etc, if people can find ways to “cheat the system” and do things to bypass large chunks of development code & intended gameplay.

Im not saying that’s you, or anyone on these forums specifically.. I’m just saying if you loved and cherished playing Mario 64, maybe don’t look up speed runs for it.

we weren't talking about speedrunning

[lowercase skye]

51 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

All that I can say is that to me it feels like it mocks or discredits the developers work in designing the levels etc, if people can find ways to “cheat the system” and do things to bypass large chunks of development code & intended gameplay.

Developers generally love speedruns of their games. You can go to YouTube and search "developer reacts to speedrun", and find all sorts of videos of devs watching their games get torn apart and describing just how awesome it is and how much love these speedrunners must feel for their game (I'm a big fan of this one). How is it mocking the work that went into a game, to study it to such a degree that you know it inside and out, every single trick, and push it to its absolute limits?

51 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’m just saying if you loved and cherished playing Mario 64, maybe don’t look up speed runs for it.

I loved and cherished playing Super Mario 64 as a kid and that's why the speedruns are so cool.

[Primalflower]

54 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I don’t mean any offense in saying this but I’ve watched enough speed runner videos to know that’s not a legitimate form of gaming, when you watch someone take something you cherished and adored playing as a child (such as Mario) and then you watch these people use extreme glitches and exploits like a 360 degree jump spin to glitch through walls and skip 40 minutes worth of the games INTENDED Gameplay.. That’s not gaming, and to be honest: I’m not sure WHAT I would call it without insulting someone somewhere.

All that I can say is that to me it feels like it mocks or discredits the developers work in designing the levels etc, if people can find ways to “cheat the system” and do things to bypass large chunks of development code & intended gameplay.

Im not saying that’s you, or anyone on these forums specifically.. I’m just saying if you loved and cherished playing Mario 64, maybe don’t look up speed runs for it.

i have never seen anyone with such a vehement hatred of this particular harmless style of play before as you

[IAmAFurrz]

1 minute ago, Primalflower said:

i have never seen anyone with such a vehement hatred of this particular harmless style of play before as you

they put meaning into an action, with a bias and a narative they want to build, for seemingly no reason? and i get it might help the poster feel better (?) but i dont think thats gonna mean anything once they get to the 'legitimate form of gaming'

[Chewabacca]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

I don’t mean any offense in saying this but I’ve watched enough speed runner videos to know that’s not a legitimate form of gaming, when you watch someone take something you cherished and adored playing as a child (such as Mario) and then you watch these people use extreme glitches and exploits like a 360 degree jump spin to glitch through walls and skip 40 minutes worth of the games INTENDED Gameplay.. That’s not gaming, and to be honest: I’m not sure WHAT I would call it without insulting someone somewhere.

All that I can say is that to me it feels like it mocks or discredits the developers work in designing the levels etc, if people can find ways to “cheat the system” and do things to bypass large chunks of development code & intended gameplay.

Im not saying that’s you, or anyone on these forums specifically.. I’m just saying if you loved and cherished playing Mario 64, maybe don’t look up speed runs for it.

brother what do you think speedruns (glitched ones anyway) are then if not gaming

No player in their right mind is representing stuff like you're talking about as "normal" gameplay. Speedrunners don't open up a game and decide "ooh I'm gonna exploit glitch number 73" the very first time they play it, they have normal playthroughs like anyone else and then through obsessive practice and knowledge of the game, they also are able to do speedruns and pull off crazy stunts like that. And nobody studies and practices a game that much if they don't love it.

This has nothing to do with OP's post anyways. People were advising OP to practice boss fights in god mode if they wanted to get better at fighting bosses. Any fights in god mode would presumably be taking place only in a test world that OP wouldn't be using for the rest of their playthrough. Practicing isn't cheating by even the standards you're setting.

[Popian]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

you watch these people use extreme glitches and exploits like a 360 degree jump spin to glitch through walls and skip 40 minutes worth of the games INTENDED Gameplay.. That’s not gaming, and to be honest: I’m not sure WHAT I would call it

It's called gaming the system.

[_mylilsunshine_]

@shaurun before this thread gets off-topic and you won't be able to see my comment,

i don't look up to particularly any person nor do i strive to be like them or better than them, so i can't say i understand exactly how you feel. i'll share a bit about my DST journey instead

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I would definitely feel good if I would be able to solo bosses and reach endgame by day 200. But nost of the time I'm not efficient, BQ, Fuelveaver and Celectial Champion make me afraind of even starting the fight cause I know almost all the time how it ends, I feel so weak when I with 1800 hours of game can die as walter from deerclops because I've decided to make it in meele but without armor since I have only marble suite and it slows me and I'm too greedy to spend all my rounds to do it in range, or how my kiting doesn't work agains DF so I need to lose 8 helmets, etc. I can't chill. I'm nervous. It's just some crisis. Excuse me for this useless post.

Spoiler

the learning process for me was slow. first i learnt the mechanics and everything basics of the game through wilson, but i wasn't happy playing the character so i didn't learn much more. after i have found a character that i really love and enjoy playing: Walter (before skill tree) thanks to his quotes and design, i put a lot of my time playing and practicing on that character.

first I tried to survive 100 days with walter, accomplishing small and achieveable tasks such as: beating 04 seasonal bosses, building a good-looking, practical base, learning new tricks specific to walter, etc.

i made a post here: https://www.reddit.com/r/dontstarve/comments/qw3cvf/after_100_days_in_dont_starve_together_as_walter/?utm_source=embedv2&utm_medium=post_embed&embed_host_url=https://forums.kleientertainment.com/index.php

after this first world, i created another, starting from scratch and applying what i have learnt so that the experience is smoother, and i get to feel accomplished for using things that i learnt. this is important, as you need to feel validated for your effort/progress. https://www.reddit.com/r/dontstarve/comments/qyth64/another_100day_world_as_walter_but_better/

 

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I am back after my first post about Walter from a noob's perspective. After the post, I learnt a lot from my gameplay and mistakes in that world. After restarting, I performed much better on a fresh start and progressed much further than I would have if I had keep playing the old world.

After my first world as Walter, I learnt a lot of cool tricks to progress and play the character, as well as avoiding what I did wrong. Applying them to a fresh start, fresh world, I progressed much smoother and the game was much more enjoyable. I even cleared the Ruins and killed Ancient Guardian, things I didn't even think of before.

after these learning experiences, i started to try and fight raid bosses, particularly dragon fly first. i got my ass beat to the moon and back and back and back. it was disheartening so i took a break. after i come back, i created a practice world and gave myself achievable items to fight DFly. after building walls to block larvae like people told me to, i learnt the kiting rhythm first and foremost. after i can repeatedly replicate my win against DFLy in the practice world, i apply what i learnt to a real world, and succeed in beating her.

this learning loop happens for everything else in the game. klaus, eye of terror, etc. when i attempted to fight Fuelweaver, it took me no less than 20 rollbacks/attempts to even succeed once, even then i still lost a lot of resources. so i keep trying, aiming for not just winning, but winning with minimal resource spent.

the fuelweaver/celestial champion fight didn't even happen until day 300+. now i can do both bosses at around day 110~120. i'm still learning and improving, one by one, incrementally.

i find it important to give yourself small, achievable goals that you can feel good about. small goals build up to big ones. and take breaks in between. straining yourself trying to learn will always lead to burnout, and you will hate the game afterward. i took a one-year break between my first DFly kill and my first Fuelweaver kill. and find a character that you can stick to. you won't have fun playing someone you don't like for hours and hours.

what made the game enjoyable for me was not being able to kill bosses, it was the other tasks in between. building a base, building a veggies farm, building bee and pig houses, finding a fig tree nut and bringing it back to base. i find enjoyment in a lot of the small and mundane things, which will be 90% of your gameplay. i know you want bosses to be your top goals, but while aiming for the top of the mountain, make sure to appreciate the scenery along the way.

if you're taking a break, and want to watch someone ordinary play the game, you can check out my gameplay (in the signature). it should give you a perspective of how another person plays the game. and if you can, you should document your learning progress, either by making text-post or recording your gameplay so you reflect back on it later.

[Dwight34]

9 hours ago, Guille6785 said:

you had a point for 5 seconds before you said these playthroughs aren't “legitimate”, wtf are you talking about? what about these playthroughs make them not “legitimate”, that the skill required to play them out was not obtained through “clean methods” because they used mods to practice? tf

also OP was including people in their post who don't even do the things you just described so this comes off as you just lambasting anyone who can kill more than 1 or 2 bosses in under 4 hours???

Replace the world legitimate with the word natural or organic if you prefer, the meaning will be the same. Everyone who says the game should remain as difficult as possible quotes the "survival" tag, what speedrunners like you do is not surviving, you're dying tons of time, using mods to fight the same bosses for hours on end to find the most optimized way, and trying to achieve a specific runtime instead of surviving. That's neither the intended way to play the game, nor is it something one would ever naturally achieve without using cheat mods/console command.

If we go back to the Mario 64 analogy for fun, even a 5000 hours players who plays the game normally will not reach the level of someone dedicating 5% of that time to deliberately trying to break the game to their advantage. It's not that you're doing anything wrong, it's that what you're doing isn't something you would ever be able to do without using cheats or commands to summon the bosses out of thin air and try over and over, it's not a survival experience, it's a boss rush optimization experience thanks to means unavailable in any legitimate aka normal playthrough.

[Guille6785]

59 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

Replace the world legitimate with the word natural or organic if you prefer, the meaning will be the same. Everyone who says the game should remain as difficult as possible quotes the "survival" tag, what speedrunners like you do is not surviving, you're dying tons of time, using mods to fight the same bosses for hours on end to find the most optimized way, and trying to achieve a specific runtime instead of surviving. That's neither the intended way to play the game, nor is it something one would ever naturally achieve without using cheat mods/console command.

If we go back to the Mario 64 analogy for fun, even a 5000 hours players who plays the game normally will not reach the level of someone dedicating 5% of that time to deliberately trying to break the game to their advantage. It's not that you're doing anything wrong, it's that what you're doing isn't something you would ever be able to do without using cheats or commands to summon the bosses out of thin air and try over and over, it's not a survival experience, it's a boss rush optimization experience thanks to means unavailable in any legitimate aka normal playthrough.

Cool, and who was talking about speedrunning? OP was talking about videos from people like Lardee and Jazzy, people who are simply capable of killing bosses without expending a lot of resources and without needing rollbacks (something OP was explicitly upset about not being able to do); are you seriously implying Lardee or Jazzy need to die a bunch of times and/or reset a bunch of worlds just to record a laid back playthrough as a character where they just show off their abilities? Do you seriously believe Jazzy streaming himself playing a new skill tree character is in any shape or form doing the same thing as a Mario 64 speedrunner who practices specific inputs for thousands of hours, to the point where in your head this is somehow a reasonable comparison? Wtf is even the point you're trying to make?

[WilsonHiggs]

4 hours ago, Primalflower said:

i have never seen anyone with such a vehement hatred of this particular harmless style of play before as you

Wait until he throws manure at megabasers

[Szczuku]

Speedrunning is the fastest way to drain fun out of whatever you're playing

[DVGMedia]

20 hours ago, Keigo said:

Each character goes at its own rhythm, sometimes is frustrating doing task slowly thinking if i was with this other character it would be to easy.

This is always what ive been trying to tell people when they start to compare characters and playstyles and such.

I say it more so in learning what character fits best with the player.
As for op yeah just neeed to get a feel for the game. Some of the videos people make may feel like oh i can do that but they really need some practice. Rollback does exist for regular players so just get that practice in.  Theres no need to really force anything Just match your own self enjoyment.

[Guille6785]

22 minutes ago, Szczuku said:

Speedrunning is the fastest way to drain fun out of whatever you're playing

never miss the opportunity to make fun of people for playing the game differently than you do while adding nothing to the discussion

[mima_]

i think all you need is friend to play with. (if you in SEA, u can join us ).
just with one more person atleast you can do better on planning bosses in a year or two.

cheese seems easy to do on video but really its about how lucky it is to properly works, many one that show it easy. actually have so much effort in retrying, and perfecting the animation canceling. or maybe it doesnt work because its patched already by dev by the time video posted. so i think its better to learn how to fight it no cheese. 

if you first time doing this one boss dont beat yourself to it, if fail just redo the fight. rollback if you want to, or try another day.
overprepared is better than underestimating the fight just because the youtube video show u only need a flint and twig to kill this one boss.

 

[Prinha]

The topic is not about speed running. 

@shaurunmentioned a Bee Queen kill by day 5 or something on a specific character - probably Wendy. If you put that into youtube there will be a high number of videos none of which have anything to do with speedrunning. Heck, I can kill BQ by day 5 without rollbacks. I bet it's doable on day 2 if the worldgen leads you to all the materials fast enough.

When I first saw a video about that from Don Giani, I tried to do the same. Like the op I had to learn that watching a video alone does not give you that ability. I took much longer to damage BQ so my fight would go through the night and I would run out of healing/armor. Abigail would die and I rolled back 10 times until eventually I gave up frustratedly. Luckily it was just a couple of days worth of preparation and not an entire season with multiple pre requisit bosses. 

Some time later I got a new computer which led to much less input lag in DST. That alone made the fight much easier and I was able to pull it off in about the same time frame but there were things that Don Giani did that I didn't really understand. Even though he explains everything in detail I still missed why he was soothing Abigail why he was positioning the way he did etc. And that meant that I could pull off the same some of the time but not consistently. After many repetitions I learned. Not only can I do this fight now in my sleep, I'd also be able to explain it to others if somebody was struggling like I did.

That has nothing to do with glitches, exploits, bugs or speed runs.

The AFW requires you to do the Shadowpieces and AG before. In my opinion as a newbie to this fight one should use every available ressource to make the fight as easy as possible on oneself. I don't know about you but my first AFW attempts usually happened in year 3 or so. That's 9,33 hours worth of playtime. Demanding that somebody play for 9 hours every time they want to attempt to kill one of the most difficult bosses in the game because everything else is "cheating" is ridiculous.

And don't get me started on making up a set of arbitrary rules that constitute "proper play" and then going around trying to police everyone who deviates from that. What is this the forum on gaming etiquette?

[_mylilsunshine_]

(trying to steer the topic back to OP's struggle)

i don't think i've ever played a game that doesn't require practice and time investment, even plants vs zombies, a rather simple flash game at the time, took me several tries on different rounds just to clear them

i genuinely believe DST is a difficult game, it has a learning curve survival-wise and combat-wise, and combat can be overwhelming with a lot of things to multitask. but it can be very forgiving with practicing and second-tries. there are rollbacks, console commands to give you free crafting and items (or a mod that does the same thing for you), and learning-aid mods (show attack range is one). using these features available to you is not cheating, nor does it diminish your effort. you can start a new world, farm the items, and fight the boss every time you want to practice, those features just cut the repetitiveness and time-cost. and everyone learns at a different pace, with different results. i could never master animation canceling, but i can still defeat bosses on my own time, i am no less than any other DST players out there.

if i'm always thinking about how other people plays, then i'm trying to be something that i am not. i'm me, and the best me that i can be. practicing and learning help you be the best version of yourself.

[loopuleasa]

17 hours ago, Guille6785 said:

A more serious response since OP seems genuinely concerned about their inability to improve at the game:

The reason you aren't improving is not because you aren't talented or because you're stupid, it's simply because you haven't practiced.

TL;DR practice more (and stop taking Lardee's videos as anything other than entertainment)

A more serious reply on this for OP, as it might mislead him

Many people that speedrun the game do so because they enjoy the thrill of it, because it is F U N for them

OP, if it is not fun for you, I don't recommend doing "practice" because that will be viewed by your brain as work instead of play

Guille's advice on improving at the game only makes sense if you want to do so, and if it is fun to do so for you

The truth is: Very few people care about improving at a video game

I realized this truth after playing thousands of hours of DST with my girlfriend and other casual friends. They don't even engage with skill trees at all. Skill trees are boring for them. Learning is boring. My girlfriend for instance just likes vibing and exploring the game, especially shipwrecked together.

Nothing good, nothing bad about it

It's just what it is. Different personalities.

 

I get a feeling that the reason OP feels lost is that he's doing something he doesn't enjoy to begin with, and can't come to term with that

 

15 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

Dude you cant compare yourself and expect hapiness coming from it. Comparison is the killer of joy. I know doing stuff fast gives dopamine and the rewarding feeling can be good BUT THATS NOT HOW YOU LEARN TO PLAY THE GAME. Those guys have thousands of hours in the game and are just trying to refresh the challanges but we need to start from the start. Its good to have a goal but  give yourself some grace and patience to learn patterns and the requirements of the resources so you can try to polish some runs. Getting frustrated by fails is part of the journey. Hope you find some peace innit.

Human brains are like that.

But furthermore:

Many people spend many thousands of hours in this game and never really become very good at bossing.

Then they compare with other people with same hours as them, but way better at the game, and feel inadequate.

Even if hours are comparable, pace and intensity differs with personality and goals.

This is not good, not bad, it is just how brains behave.

Understanding this can be one path to salvation.

 

On 3/10/2025 at 2:29 PM, linabagel said:

You don't need speedrun just because other players do.

You don't need speedrun just because other players do.

You don't need speedrun just because other players do.

You don't need speedrun just because other players do.

9 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I don’t mean any offense in saying this but I’ve watched enough speed runner videos to know that’s not a legitimate form of gaming, when you watch someone take something you cherished and adored playing as a child (such as Mario) and then you watch these people use extreme glitches and exploits like a 360 degree jump spin to glitch through walls and skip 40 minutes worth of the games INTENDED Gameplay.. That’s not gaming, and to be honest: I’m not sure WHAT I would call it without insulting someone somewhere.

All that I can say is that to me it feels like it mocks or discredits the developers work in designing the levels etc, if people can find ways to “cheat the system” and do things to bypass large chunks of development code & intended gameplay.

Im not saying that’s you, or anyone on these forums specifically.. I’m just saying if you loved and cherished playing Mario 64, maybe don’t look up speed runs for it.

That's a spicy one

I can understand where you're coming from though.

I am a fan of speedruns when they are more in the "glitchless" category. I was not a fan of void walking speedruns in the past. Nowadays they are more fun to watch from a viewer experience.

Having glitches makes the run less impressive to me for some reason (like the Walter day 5 fuelweaver slingshot kill due to 2 moleworms breaking pathing)

But it does make the run cool and creative at the same time.

Anyway, in both cases, the runner is having hella fun, and I like seeing that joy.

[_mylilsunshine_]

1 hour ago, loopuleasa said:

The truth is: Very few people care about improving at a video game

I realized this truth after playing thousands of hours of DST with my girlfriend and other casual friends. They don't even engage with skill trees at all. Skill trees are boring for them. Learning is boring. My girlfriend for instance just likes vibing and exploring the game, especially shipwrecked together.

Nothing good, nothing bad about it

It's just what it is. Different personalities.

even though the constant is harsh, there's so much fun in just exploring and inspecting/examining stuffs around you and watching what kind of dialogue you get. whenever i'm not sweating, i always try to roleplay as walter and just chillin, walking around, doing stuffs and then narrating what's happening as if i'm walter himself using the chat function

rarely am i like that because my goblin brain pushes me to tryhard, play efficiently, and play "well". but when i do get to relax, it's immensely satisfying

[FillerText]

5 hours ago, DVGMedia said:

 op yeah just neeed to get a feel for the game. Some of the videos people make may feel like oh i can do that but they really need some practice. Rollback does exist for regular players so just get that practice in.  Theres no need to really force anything Just match your own self enjoyment.

I personally recommend just getting much better gear, and "overpreparing" instead of immediately trying to do something the way a higher level player does. It's perfectly fine to fight Dragonfly or Klaus with full thulecite sets(or even post-rift armor) before easing into being able to comfortably kill them with just football helmets. At some point you'll even reach a stage, where you just comfortably kill bosses like AG after randomly stumbling upon them with literally just axes, and a log suit. Rollbacks are simply a much more painful way to get used to a boss instead of just bringing "much more than you need" to make the fight significantly more manageable.