Will Wendy skilltree be reviewed in the next update like Wolfgang was?

[YouKnowWho142]

The forums have made me realize how many people who looked at her skills, played skill tree Wendy for 2 days, and then assumed she’s bad

Shes fine, she’s not flawless but she is significantly more survivable, less tedious, and more interesting. Every time I see people want to change Abi it’s to give her like double hp, double damage, health swap, etc. It misunderstands the character and gives the impression that they want Abigail to be strong enough to handle major threats alone. She’s not supposed to survive interactions without the help of Wendy, who now has all the tools she needs to do this with commands, blessed sisturn, and up to 4x the elixir efficiency.

[Mysterious box]

2 hours ago, Cassielu said:

How about imagine if Wolfgang's level 3 lunar skill is Wagstaff provide a bucket of KFC, eat it will lose all of his extra damage, but gain 50% damage reduction? a skill that fishing ocean fish for temporary max strength? a skill for reskin ocean fishing rod? no longer loss sanity faster when he's in small weak form? Wolfgang will deal higher damage to a group of enemies with no regularity, but will quickly lose power against enemies outside of them, and you will have to wait for a fitness day every seven days to configure it.Oh and also no any planar damage even during that time all the players were asking for it.

This is what it looks like when Wolfgang gets Wendy's skills. and honestly this is even better, I couldn't have created anything as evil as Wendy's current skilltree even with my greatest of malice.

YES I DO think the current Wolfgang or your hypothesis is better.

I know your intentionally trying to make it sound bad but giving Wolfgang a optional high defense mode or full on aoe damage mode without the dumbell would still be better than what he got like at least those would open up new playstyles especially the defense one since with his marble suit perk you could make a super tank...though it'd probably be very unbalanced.

That aside Wolfgang and Wilson definitely got the short end of the stick when it comes to skill trees whereas Wendy's is more so like Wormwood's if anything.

[Cassielu]

3 hours ago, Reiko24 said:

bro r u trolling?

No, It's a example to show the way how she is terrible.

The difference between a unique idea and another unique idea can be greater than the difference between a unique idea and  a number buff, I think the digressive "unique idea" and the amount of work based on it is more frightening than the right ordinary idea and the laziness on it, I doesn't say Wolfgang is good, it just not THAT bad.

Seems that you do not agree with this, that is also fine, this is not a how bad it is competition, one bad thing cannot be used to justify another bad thing. just you should understand that the need to change her is just as sane and legitimate as your need to change him and stop demonizing them as destructive trolls ask for terrible OP - this hidden arrogance is also one of the reasons the forums have been burning throughout the beta.

[DVGMedia]

5 hours ago, Reiko24 said:

Nope. Wolfgang skill tree is literally "more damage, chores faster". No new mechanics, interesting crafts or ideas.

Wendy had much more work put into her skill tree. And it's better. Imagine how FURIOUS you would be if Wendy's skill tree was doing the same thing as Wolfgang's. "Abigail now deals more AoE damage.", "Abigail now deals more planar damage". "Abigail now has a chance to insta mine a tree". (ONLY THIS, WOLFGANG HAS NO OTHER SKILLS THAT ARE EVEN REMOTELY GOOD)

It's not even about "liking" it's literally observing the amount of work and unique ideas put into a skill tree. Stop being so biased.

You have no idea how much I want boosting Abby's light radius 

And Wendy can have small things like that with the sisturn give sisturn 2 more skill points to put more flowers in to give these effects to Abby 

[GamePlayer42]

12 hours ago, aidancode said:

I'm really sorry that you consider Wendy's tree to be awful and unbalanced. I'd agree that it's not balanced as well as it could be but I think it's both fun and unique. An average tree; I'd say about 40% of trees are worse than it. Very hard to make a case that Wendy's tree is worse than Wolfgang, Wortox, Wilson in my opinion.

 

Here are my recommendations:

- be appreciative that the pipspook quest was made SO MUCH EASIER. This saves a ton of filler time which is great for the character despite being somewhat bland as skills.

- use the wraith wreath. It's a cool item! Maybe not the strongest thing out there but it's fun.

- use the team spirit. These skills are actually just straight up really strong and useful.

- take the potion buffs as an opportunity to make more use of them. a lot of newer Wendy players mostly ignore potions. now is a great time to change that.

- have fun with the affinities. Wendy has some of the most unique affinities. I know a lot of people want them buffed, and that's okay, but even a weak affinity that's fun can still be enjoyed. It's way better than Wortox Wigfrid Wolfgang and Wilson's excuses of affinities.

- and if you really don't like playing Wendy after all of this... maybe Wendy just isn't a fun character for you in the first place. There's like 18 characters, go give somebody else a try.

my issue with the pipspook quest is that its kinda just a point sink for something that really doesnt add much to wendy's overall gameplay. yeah sure its "easier" but should it have really come at such a steep cost, same with potion efficiency buffs because by extension they do similar/the same thing ultimately

[GrapeVruit]

11 hours ago, Mr. Furman said:

Look buddy, I understand that you are frustrated over Wendy's skill tree, but this is such a hyperbolic statement that it makes the post itself looks far less rational than it actually is. And really, what is the thing with associating a character's popularity with how the skill tree turns out to be? Higher popularity means harder to satisfy or something?

Revisions will happen I believe, since Wendy is not the only character people are unsatisfied with, there is still Wortox to be looked at. 

I can get behind Wendy getting a revision, but Wortox? His skilltree is in a good spot. Got cheaper teleports, jars that increase his soul carrying capacity, a useful tool that can collect items and creatures faster as well as being a solid weapon, AoE damage with soul pierce and more. Compared to Wilson and Wolfgang's tree's, which most consider to be the worst out of all of them now, Wortox's is filled with things that are not only strong and true to the character, but are fun and interesting to use. 

[Crimson Hollow]

Did we just.... spend 2 pages arguing whose skill tree is the worst?

16 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

I can get behind Wendy getting a revision, but Wortox? His skilltree is in a good spot. Got cheaper teleports, jars that increase his soul carrying capacity, a useful tool that can collect items and creatures faster as well as being a solid weapon, AoE damage with soul pierce and more. Compared to Wilson and Wolfgang's tree's, which most consider to be the worst out of all of them now, Wortox's is filled with things that are not only strong and true to the character, but are fun and interesting to use. 

Good in theory but unpolished... like a bunch of high quality ingredients but still need to be picked cleaned and cooked

[GrapeVruit]

17 minutes ago, Crimson Hollow said:

Did we just.... spend 2 pages arguing whose skill tree is the worst?

Yep, pretty much. Give it a few more replies and the thead's probably going down. I can feel the vitriol in some of these comments.

17 minutes ago, Crimson Hollow said:

Did we just.... spend 2 pages arguing whose skill tree is the worst?

Good in theory but unpolished... like a bunch of high quality ingredients but still need to be picked cleaned and cooked

Good in theory? From what I've played in my 200 day Wortox world, I felt all his skills worked pretty well in practice. The only thing I saw as unpolished were the animations for the Knabsack, and that was changed in last night's hot fix. What things in his tree are polished to you? Just asking. 

[Well-met]

this community is actively dragging this game down and its really starting to be annoying.

[Guihhza]

14 hours ago, ThereStars said:

the worst skill tree

 Brief reminder that 1/3 of perks from previous skill trees look like this:

 

[Dingle]

22 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

Yep, pretty much. Give it a few more replies and the thead's probably going down. I can feel the vitriol in some of these comments.

Good in theory? From what I've played in my 200 day Wortox world, I felt all his skills worked pretty well in practice. The only thing I saw as unpolished were the animations for the Knabsack, and that was changed in last night's hot fix. What things in his tree are polished to you? Just asking. 

I still really dislike Cloudy Carmine. I also think that Soul Bastion 2 feels like a waste of points solo. And you're forced to get it for a solo Nice build, as Lifegiver is an even bigger waste solo.

Oh, and I really would like a vfx change for his soul echo trail, for when its like 2 seconds from running out. Right now, you have to glue your wyes on th soul stack in the inventory.

That's about it, at this point, though!

[Crimson Hollow]

1 hour ago, GrapeVruit said:

Yep, pretty much. Give it a few more replies and the thead's probably going down. I can feel the vitriol in some of these comments.

Good in theory? From what I've played in my 200 day Wortox world, I felt all his skills worked pretty well in practice. The only thing I saw as unpolished were the animations for the Knabsack, and that was changed in last night's hot fix. What things in his tree are polished to you? Just asking. 

what things are "polished" to me? Well the soul pierce line is good, it will definitely be better if the souls have lower aggro, but it's creative overall 

And the lifted spirit line is my favorite, every skill has a purpose and it makes the gameplay much smoother 

[GrapeVruit]

Just now, Crimson Hollow said:

what things are "polished" to me? Well the soul pierce line is good, it will definitely be better if the souls have lower aggro, but it's creative overall 

And the lifted spirit line is my favorite, every skill has a purpose and it makes the gameplay much smoother 

Oh, sorry, that was a typo, I meant to say unpolished. What skills do you think aren't up to snuff? 

[Crimson Hollow]

 

20 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

Oh, sorry, that was a typo, I meant to say unpolished. What skills do you think aren't up to snuff? 

everything else /jk

for example the Twintailed heart line is not that good, 1st skill unlocks an expensive spoiling telltale heart, 2nd skill removes the health penalty but only when the wortox w this skill uses it... it's just kinda unintuitive. and 3rd is again really cool in multiplayer but 1 and 2 need some work still

and Cloudy Carmen as mentioned above... And the fact that affinity perks are locked on specific gears is a bit weird to me because... I can see the reason for shadow reaper but what's it with brightshade helm? 

I mean all these ideas are not bad at all, but there are details like these that kinda spoils the gameplay experience for me. I am not a Wortox main though, so take my words with a grain of salt

 

[ThereStars]

16 hours ago, Mr. Furman said:

Look buddy, I understand that you are frustrated over Wendy's skill tree, but this is such a hyperbolic statement that it makes the post itself looks far less rational than it actually is. And really, what is the thing with associating a character's popularity with how the skill tree turns out to be? Higher popularity means harder to satisfy or something?

Revisions will happen I believe, since Wendy is not the only character people are unsatisfied with, there is still Wortox to be looked at. 

I just find it a bit funny. Usually, in other games, popular characters get better content, but here in DST, we get the exact opposite.

Wortox was much better from the start, which is why he didn‘t see change much during the beta.

[YouKnowWho142]

15 minutes ago, ThereStars said:

I just find it a bit funny. Usually, in other games, popular characters get better content, but here in DST, we get the exact opposite.

Wortox was much better from the start, which is why he didn‘t see change much during the beta.

A lot of people considered Wortox to be one of the worst characters before the trees, especially after all the refreshes (skill tree directly addresses a number of his shortcomings, but still has a lot of problems). Wendy was always one of the stronger characters in the game and was very popular even before her refresh. I'm not really sure why people are painting the image that Wendy is suddenly a horrible character because they are underwhelmed by the skill tree. Even if you don't like the skill tree, you're at the very least getting double mourning glories and a chance for 2-3 elixirs per craft, that alone means that at the very worst she's a straight upgrade to an already strong character

[Cassielu]

1 hour ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

A lot of people considered Wortox to be one of the worst characters before the trees, especially after all the refreshes (skill tree directly addresses a number of his shortcomings, but still has a lot of problems).

Nonsense, everyone knows Wortox has been one of the most powerful characters in the game after getting map jump and soul echo, and after gaining the skilltree he went one step further.

You think that's ridiculous and unreasonable? That's right, in the meantime, this is what you look like right now.

See? You can't only call things in english community "player think that" and at the same time call equal number of players from other language community things "troll brigade." You can’t assert a idea is consensus of DST community's and acquiesce to Klei should consider more about it when you only consideration 40% of it with selective filtration. You don't own it and you haven't seen all of it.

[Cassielu]

10 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Wendy's is more so like Wormwood's if anything

It's good to see that other people feel the same, Wendy's and Wormwood's skill trees are built in very similar ways.

That's actually might be reason why I dislike them both and also Im confused with why Klei decided to do it again after the terrible feedback of Wormwood from the whole communities.

[YouKnowWho142]

3 hours ago, Cassielu said:

Nonsense, everyone knows Wortox has been one of the most powerful characters in the game after getting map jump and soul echo, and after gaining the skilltree he went one step further.

You think that's ridiculous and unreasonable? That's right, in the meantime, this is what you look like right now.

See? You can't only call things in english community "player think that" and at the same time call equal number of players from other language community things "troll brigade." You can’t assert a idea is consensus of DST community's and acquiesce to Klei should consider more about it when you only consideration 40% of it with selective filtration. You don't own it and you haven't seen all of it.

Yet it’s okay for you and certain others to speak on behalf of the entire Chinese community because it’s what you want. Everyone here is from different places, it would be nice of you to respect that

[HowlVoid]

The train wreck continues.

I don't understand how people think insulting the developers that worked so hard on these skill trees will accomplish anything. 

I'm tempted to make a list of all the feedback that made it in but I don't feel like writing for an hour cause I know it was a lot.

Also I personally consider Wolfgang's skill tree the worst in the game and only slightly behind Wilson's.

[Dr. Safety]

1 hour ago, aoka404 said:

It's impossible for Jason the designer to put his proud head down.

He's the great professor Patrick Star.

All Jason did was communicate the thought behind the entire dev team's decisions, which is something that they didn't do that often. It was a nice change of pace and one I hoped that they would continue to do in the future.

I don't see them doing that anymore if it's just gonna lead to a bunch of people throwing a temper tantrum and taking it out on the person who offered some transparency.

[_mylilsunshine_]

6 minutes ago, Dr. Safety said:

All Jason did was communicate the thought behind the entire dev team's decisions, which is something that they didn't do that often. It was a nice change of pace and one I hoped that they would continue to do in the future.

I don't see them doing that anymore if it's just gonna lead to a bunch of people throwing a temper tantrum and taking it out on the person who offered some transparency.

In a different game that I played, Path of Exile, we used to have a Community Manager named Bex. She would handle all things PR and communication with the players, everything related to the game aside from major game update announcements.

She's loved by the community, and she appears very often so the community associate her as 'the face of the game'.

And when the game released an update that caused an uproar, people were dissatisfied with the game and they took it out on who they assigned 'the face of the game'.

The attack got so horrible, with insults and death threats and such, that the developers created a faceless/nameless Community Manager, so no one can attack a specific individual anymore. Bex eventually left her role at Path of Exile.

I do not want to see it happen again here at Klei, a team I love as much as PoE.

[Echsrick]

ok but only if we give wortox a better skill tree aswell, because hes one of the worst characters + one of the worst skill trees + alsol give wolfgang a better skill tree because he is the worst skill tree like ACTUALY the worst, i would say first place in worst skill trees of dst, closly followed with wilsons and wortox

[GrapeVruit]

1 minute ago, Echsrick said:

ok but only if we give wortox a better skill tree aswell, because hes one of the worst characters + one of the worst skill trees + alsol give wolfgang a better skill tree because he is the worst skill tree like ACTUALY the worst, i would say first place in worst skill trees of dst, closly followed with wilsons and 

Why do some people think Wortox has either a weak base or a weak tree? Maybe I'm not the best to speak on the matter, I've just started playing Wortox 4 days ago, but having cheap and easy teleports, heals, and hunger, as well as more goodies in his tree, is incredibly strong if you ask me (Makes sense for a DLC character). If he's considered to be a bad character, Maxwell might as well be unplayable. 

[Echsrick]

2 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

Why do some people think Wortox has either a weak base or a weak tree?

wortox without souls is just wilson with litteraly nothing goin on for besides that pigs hate him

 

2 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

Maybe I'm not the best to speak on the matter, I've just started playing Wortox 4 days ago

thats an self answere

 

3 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

cheap and easy teleports, heals, and hunger,

teleport sure, heal and hunger? litteraly make cook pot food

 

3 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

more goodies in his tree

like? do damage if soul touch ithing and make everything that was fightin each other angry at you

 

4 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

If he's considered to be a bad character, Maxwell might as well be unplayable. 

i dont understand your maxwell comparison, it makes no sense even

alsol wortox skill tree litteraly can make things worse for you, just like the soul damage one makin everything go after you instead