Were Wendy's Nerfs appropriate?

[GetNerfedOn]

get nerfed on

[Steorra]

8 hours ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Maxwell is useless without his codex . Bad game design grrrrrrrr.

Classic topic shifting from "resources dumplings gameplay achivability" to "Maxwell and codex"

[Auth]

45 minutes ago, GetNerfedOn said:

get nerfed on

Auth

[BalkanCockroach]

26 minutes ago, Steorra said:

dumplings

Yummy.

 

26 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Classic topic shifting from

I'm merely pointing out how you saying "Yeah Wendy actually sucks without Abby such weak character" is being funny. Abby is kinda the main gimmick y'know.

Also, I'll make a wild prediction here. I think they'll announce a delay on Wendy's skilltree next thursday 27th on the day of release. 

My source: I made it up. But seriously there's much backlash for the nerfs so imo it's quite likely.

[Peasant]

19 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Yummy.

 

I'm merely pointing out how you saying "Yeah Wendy actually sucks without Abby such weak character" is being funny. Abby is kinda the main gimmick y'know.

Also, I'll make a wild prediction here. I think they'll announce a delay on Wendy's skilltree next thursday 27th on the day of release. 

My source: I made it up. But seriously there's much backlash for the nerfs so imo it's quite likely.

Codex is an item, which is unlikely to get out of the player's slot unless you face frogs or pirate monkeys, or simply throw it away, hence, "Maxwell without codex" is basically impossible to happen.

Abigail on the other hand is a follower creature, with a initial hp of 150, and a maximum hp limit of 600, which is slightly lower than a merm guard with a king, and many of the giants deal 150 damage to non players, hence even a 600 hp Abigail can be killed with 4 blows, hence, "Wendy without Abigail" is possible, and even common to happen.

[BalkanCockroach]

54 minutes ago, YXukun said:

Codex is an item, which is unlikely to get out of the player's slot unless you face frogs or pirate monkeys, or simply throw it away, hence, "Maxwell without codex" is basically impossible to happen.

Abigail on the other hand is a follower creature, with a initial hp of 150, and a maximum hp limit of 600, which is slightly lower than a merm guard with a king, and many of the giants deal 150 damage to non players, hence even a 600 hp Abigail can be killed with 4 blows, hence, "Wendy without Abigail" is possible, and even common to happen.

 It's your responsibility to manage Abby so you can benefit from the perks. The person which I made my reply to is adamant on arguing Wendy is weak as Wes because she has downsides while not utilizing Abby. Abigail is the main gimmick of Wendy there being consequences to let her die is the whole thing. 

[Peasant]

9 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

 It's your responsibility to manage Abby so you can benefit from the perks. The person which I made my reply to is adamant on arguing Wendy is weak as Wes because she has downsides while not utilizing Abby. Abigail is the main gimmick of Wendy there being consequences to let her die is the whole thing. 

Does people already think that keeping Abigail alive that easy now? From what I seen only the most experienced players can manage to keep Abigail alive during each single boss battle, especially the post rift ones. When did everyone become masters and why I wasn't informed?

[BalkanCockroach]

14 minutes ago, YXukun said:

Does people already think that keeping Abigail alive that easy now? From what I seen only the most experienced players can manage to keep Abigail alive during each single boss battle, especially the post rift ones. When did everyone become masters and why I wasn't informed?

God forbid a character has a high skill ceiling and rewards getting better. Wendy is already good for beginners and if you get better you will reap the rewards. She is hard to play in some situations, I just pointed at the delusion that she is weak as Wes. If you disagree with her being as weak as Wes, good. If you think she is, I don't feel like engaging anymore. 

[Peasant]

17 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

God forbid a character has a high skill ceiling and rewards getting better. Wendy is already good for beginners and if you get better you will reap the rewards. She is hard to play in some situations, I just pointed at the delusion that she is weak as Wes. If you disagree with her being as weak as Wes, good. If you think she is, I don't feel like engaging anymore. 

Here again, taking people's words out of context. Question: What did he said?

Answer:

11 hours ago, Steorra said:

Klei and Forumites here:

Victory by spending resources for Walter or other characters - Okay.

Victory by spending resources for Wendy with aAbby - How dare you? 

Victory by spending resources for Wendy (Wes) without Abby - Okay.

 

Such simple flexible standard.

He said that Wendy without Abby = Wes, how's that equal to "Wendy being weak as Wes"?

[BalkanCockroach]

1 minute ago, YXukun said:

Here again, taking people's words out of context. Question: What did he said?

Answer:

He said that Wendy without Abby = Wes, how's that equal to "Wendy being weak as Wes"?

They made multiple replies and posts about this before I just took the consensus. You've been on this forum awhile stop acting ignorant.

[Peasant]

1 minute ago, BalkanCockroach said:

They made multiple replies and posts about this before I just took the consensus. You've been on this forum awhile stop acting ignorant.

What acting ignorant? Course I know he had made tons of posts, either regarding Wendy or Walter or cheeses, yet I haven't seen a post he said Wendy IS weak as Wes WITH Abigail, or it's just you saw "Wendy is Wes" and ignored "without Abigail" part?

[Steorra]

31 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

They made multiple replies and posts about this before I just took the consensus. You've been on this forum awhile stop acting ignorant.

I never said Wendy is weak as Wes (in general).

I only said in particular scenarios, Wendy os almost as same as Wes. I.e. riding Beefalo to against Armoured Bearger but without enlightened crown, and Abby is absent for regular boss fighting, etc.

Those are different.

27 minutes ago, YXukun said:

What acting ignorant? Course I know he had made tons of posts, either regarding Wendy or Walter or cheeses, yet I haven't seen a post he said Wendy IS weak as Wes WITH Abigail, or it's just you saw "Wendy is Wes" and ignored "without Abigail" part?

Hmm... Maybe off topic but, if you're not sure with my gender identity could you please use "they/them" for my pronouns? Though mine is "She/Her" but I guess you won't know it. But I never clarified that I'm a "bro" or something emm..

3 hours ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Yummy

Sorry it had been auto-carroted to add an "s" in the end.

 

[BalkanCockroach]

4 minutes ago, Steorra said:

I never said Wendy is weak as Wes (in general).

" Wendy (Wes) without Abby "

 

[Bumber64]

3 hours ago, Auth said:

Auth

Spongebob!

2 hours ago, YXukun said:

Codex is an item, which is unlikely to get out of the player's slot unless you face frogs or pirate monkeys, or simply throw it away, hence, "Maxwell without codex" is basically impossible to happen.

As if it functions for free. (It also drops on death and costs a bit more than the flower to replace. Notably 50 health, which he can't afford on revive nor with health penalty.)

[BalkanCockroach]

19 minutes ago, YXukun said:

What acting ignorant? Course I know he had made tons of posts, either regarding Wendy or Walter or cheeses, yet I haven't seen a post he said Wendy IS weak as Wes WITH Abigail, or it's just you saw "Wendy is Wes" and ignored "without Abigail" part?

I don't feel like searching up a duodecillion posts to see what she said in that previous post and i don't feel like slandering so ignore that reply or feel free to prove me wrong if you go searching up for it. I just remember the general points. Anyways Wendy can never equal to Wes becaus Wes has other major downsides. Even ignoring that why even point their damage being the same without Abby? You are given Abby it's your major perk and tool. It's not a good arguement.

[Steorra]

1 minute ago, BalkanCockroach said:

" Wendy (Wes) without Abby "

 

If "Wendy without Abby" 

Then "Wendy = Wes" (mostly)

Resources dumping gameplay is working fine for Wes and other characters. But if you want to use Wendy to do that gameplay, you have to lose Abby which means you have to become a character with 0.75 amplifier which is same as Wes.

[BalkanCockroach]

Just now, Steorra said:

(mostly)

No? Wes has less health, gets hungry faster, is incompetent in manual tasks (chopping, mining), Has bad luck (lightning, hound targets more), has less sanity and doesn't have the darkness sanity drain negation that Wendy has. And some stuff I might forget to mention. That's a lotta stuff.

5 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Resources dumping gameplay is working fine for Wes and other characters.

Cool, then you can just play Wendy like you would play Wes since she doesn't lack anything Wes has (except the OP Baloonomancy stuff).

[Steorra]

10 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

No? Wes has less health, gets hungry faster, is incompetent in manual tasks (chopping, mining), Has bad luck (lightning, hound targets more), has less sanity and doesn't have the darkness sanity drain negation that Wendy has. And some stuff I might forget to mention. That's a lotta stuff.

So, what's the matter you mentioned here relative with the "resources dumping combat gameplay"?

Is Wes's less health, hungry faster, bad luck etc would do impact or even stop him to the "resources dumping combat"? I don't think any of you mentioned here would stop Wes to win a boss fight (mostly) by wearing marble suit, eating dumplings and holding F.

[Peasant]

2 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Spongebob!

As if it functions for free. (It also drops on death and costs a bit more than the flower to replace. Notably 50 health, which he can't afford on revive nor with health penalty.)

Yeah, 1/5 nightmare fuel per spell is SO expensive, not to mention one of the spells can be used to turn rabbits and monkeys into shadow form that drops nightmare fuel and makes them drop extra nightmare fuel. Really expensive. And the duelists are SO weak that even 6 of them can't even kill 1 single rabbit. Maxwell needs buffing.

[BalkanCockroach]

2 minutes ago, YXukun said:

Yeah, 1/5 nightmare fuel per spell is SO expensive, not to mention one of the spells can be used to turn rabbits and monkeys into shadow form that drops nightmare fuel and makes them drop extra nightmare fuel.

Abby revives and heals for free if we're looking from the material perspective lmao. And you can assist with potion (which were made cheaper by the skilltree).

[Steorra]

9 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Cool, then you can just play Wendy like you would play Wes since she doesn't lack anything Wes has (except the OP Baloonomancy stuff).

My original argument is "resources dumping" is work fine for other characters. But if Wendy wants that gameplay, she has to lose her core character feature. That's unfair.

2 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Abby revives and heals for free if we're looking from the material perspective lmao. And you can assist with potion (which were made cheaper by the skilltree).

Again. Time is a resources in DST.

[BalkanCockroach]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Again. Time is a resources in DST.

I did mention the potions I believe?

3 minutes ago, Steorra said:

My original argument is "resources dumping" is work fine for other characters. But if Wendy wants that gameplay, she has to lose her core character feature. That's unfair.

Not all characters, you can't resource dump with weremoose. There will be exceptions you're not owed convenience. It being unfair is your opinion. You yourself said multiple times there's no balance in this game before. Does that only apply when you want it to? 

[Peasant]

1 minute ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Abby revives and heals for free if we're looking from the material perspective lmao. And you can assist with potion (which were made cheaper by the skilltree).

Yeah, 1 hp per second is SO OP, a level 3 Abigail takes ONLY 600 seconds, aka 10 minutes to fully recover its health, not to mention after death her hp limit turns to 150 so that it only takes 150 seconds to fully recover, and resommoning after she dies she even has a little self-recovered hp rather than 150 hp. So OP. Wendy needs nerfing.

[Steorra]

10 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

 You yourself said multiple times there's no balance in this game before. Does that only apply when you want it to? 

I have not. Show your evidence.

I was focused on Shadow prison many times to say why it's imbalance and unhealthy for the game.

11 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

you can't resource dump with weremoose

You can. But just on other way. 

[BalkanCockroach]

2 minutes ago, YXukun said:

Yeah, 1 hp per second is SO OP, a level 3 Abigail takes ONLY 600 seconds, aka 10 minutes to fully recover its health, not to mention after death her hp limit turns to 150 so that it only takes 150 seconds to fully recover, and resommoning after she dies she even has a little self-recovered hp rather than 150 hp. So OP. Wendy needs nerfing.

Strawman. Never said it was OP. It's just fair. Counterpoint use potions.

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

You can. But just on other way. 

Which also removes his core aspect: transformation.

10 minutes ago, Steorra said:

I have not. Show your evidence.

My bad, I thought another post was yours, you actually have many posts advocating for balance. Just ignore that or I'll remove it if you want me to.