Woby going faster than fastest beefalo...

[Elpida]

First of all new Walter and Woby skills are decent, thanks for all the effort
But I feel bad for rest characters, taming a Rider for 20 days, crafting saddles, carrying a bell and still be slower than a invincible dog that also has 9 cargo slots and carries 3 drying racks on top
Come on!

Don't bring fighter/default Beefalo in this, I am specifically talking about Rider+Glossamer. Which their main purpose is traveling at high speed with no extra protection.
Please consider balance.

[Crimson Hollow]

Im not sure if i understood your point correctly, but even for a rider beefalo w glossamer saddle, the 1000 hp is already the extra protection.

 

[gaymime]

consider it a perk of choosing walter.

[Mysterious box]

You uh do realize beefalo still block 100% of the damage you take and now won't buck you or really die since you can feed them while mounted right? Both have their advantages really.

[Elpida]

no one fights on rider, maxwell maybe
my point is taming isn't free, it takes time and resource while reward comes too short in comparison to woby

[YouKnowWho142]

8 minutes ago, Elpida said:

First of all new Walter and Woby skills are decent, thanks for all the effort
But I feel bad for rest characters, taming a Rider for 20 days, crafting saddles, carrying a bell and still be slower than a invincible dog that also has 9 cargo slots and carries 3 drying racks on top
Come on!

Don't bring fighter/default Beefalo in this, I am specifically talking about Rider+Glossamer. Which their main purpose is traveling at high speed with no extra protection.
Please consider balance.

and wortox gets an upgraded lazy explorer in his basekit, and wanda can teleport from any distance every 8 minutes, and maxwell can chop an entire forest with less than 1 nightmare fuel, and woodie can do the same thing as walter (albeit slower) while also running on water and teleporting to random spots

It's just character perks

[SpookyXy]

Woby is character specific, can't fight and bucks you off if you get hit. Running faster and holding things are what she specializes in to differentiate her from beefalo. Glossamer Beefalo is available to everyone so it is expected to be worse than a character specific option.

[Elpida]

1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

You uh do realize beefalo still block 100% of the damage you take and now won't buck you or really die since you can feed them while mounted right? Both have their advantages really.

In first post i mentioned, this only about rider. not mid taming, not fighter or anything else, feeding while mounted has no effect for rider.

do you realize if you don't park your beefalo in safe spot he dies to boss? or worse to some random mob off screen
rider is purely for traveling and you must watch it's health always

[DegenerateFurry]

Eh, it's not really an issue. Walter has to give up several insight points and keep Woby fed on a diet of monster meat/treats made from it if he wants her to be better than a max speed beefalo. Characters having unique perks that surpass what is available to everyone is just how this game is. 

Wolfgang (and Warly under the right conditions) can exceed everyone else's direct DPS with ease by multiplying their base damage. Wendy and Willow have way better crowd control than the Brightshade Staff or anything else allows. Wanda, Wortox, and Winona have far better transportation options than normal characters (especially Wanda, who can teleport an entire team of players from the surface straight to important locations in the caves like the ruins, Toadstool, or the Atrium, and then make a return trip).

Also, I know you said to disregard normal or ornery beefalos, but it's kind of unfair to? Woby is just for getting around (even in combat with the slingshot) and carrying stuff. Beefalo take more time, but are much more versatile, and they also have 1000 regenerating HP that takes damage for you from all non-ranged sources (which is most sources). 

[Crimson Hollow]

1 minute ago, Elpida said:

rider is purely for traveling and you must watch it's health always

and when you are riding woby you have to watch even harder because one hit from a random mob and woby will buck you off and you take massive damage.

This is but a character perk, and comes with a risk as well.

[lowercase skye]

Just now, Elpida said:

do you realize if you don't park your beefalo in safe spot he dies to boss? or worse to some random mob off screen

I've never experienced a beefalo dying to something random offscreen. Outside of tentacles in the swamp, there's very little mobs that will actually aggro onto a passive beefalo, you can leave them in hordes of spiders or frogs or etc and they'll just chill together.

[Mysterious box]

3 minutes ago, Elpida said:

In first post i mentioned, this only about rider. not mid taming, not fighter or anything else, feeding while mounted has no effect for rider.

do you realize if you don't park your beefalo in safe spot he dies to boss? or worse to some random mob off screen
rider is purely for traveling and you must watch it's health always

People don't use it purely for that. Even then dying is irrelevant if that's how you use them making your point flawed.

[Elpida]

2 minutes ago, SpookyXy said:

Woby is character specific, can't fight and bucks you off if you get hit. Running faster and holding things are what she specializes in to differentiate her from beefalo. Glossamer Beefalo is available to everyone so it is expected to be worse than a character specific option.

she is invincible
she has inventory
she has drying racks
she can be used to move items into another player (probably something similar to shadow chest) in next update

these aren't enough for character specific thing?
and it must come to overtake rider beefalo in speed to be character specific?

[gaymime]

Just now, Elpida said:

she is invincible
she has inventory
she has drying racks
she can be used to move items into another player (probably something similar to shadow chest) in next update

these aren't enough for character specific thing?
and it must come to overtake rider beefalo in speed to be character specific?

i dont understand why you are so upset that woby can go fast. it feels like there is something extra that you want to say but are not saying and it makes your words feel like they are not complete.

[Mysterious box]

2 minutes ago, Elpida said:

she is invincible

You said combat didn't count so this doesn't either.

[Elpida]

5 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

keep Woby fed on a diet of monster meat/treats made from it if he wants her to be better than a max speed beefalo.

60 hunger out of 1 jerky is nothing in comparison to multiple stacks of twigs and grass and light bulbs and taming for 20 days!
Rider rides for free because you have invested time and resource for it, it isn't cheaper.
 

[Crimson Hollow]

honestly, i am getting confused. 

8 minutes ago, Elpida said:

these aren't enough for character specific thing?
and it must come to overtake rider beefalo in speed to be character specific?

What is wrong with that? Isnt it just a choice between safety and mobility?

[Chewabacca]

Woby is meant to be Walter's main mount, which means she has to be good enough to give players a reason not to tame any beefalo (not saying beefalo aren't better than Woby at some things, such as not immediately bucking you off if you take damage without armor, but you get what I mean). She's also one of his three big perks, meaning that players who highly value having a mount should be seriously considering playing him.

[DegenerateFurry]

Just now, Elpida said:

60 hunger out of 1 jerky is nothing in comparison to multiple stacks of twigs and grass and light bulbs and taming for 20 days!
Rider rides for free because you have invested time and resource for it, it isn't cheaper.
 

Yeah, and it's also not a core part of a character's base kit. Woby is, so it should make sense that Walter will want to use her rather than the universal option.

[ALCRD]

Beef owners aren't left in the dust. The change that makes you feed a Beefalo while riding is secretly huge beefalo taming QoL

[Chewabacca]

I could see the argument that Woby's treats should cost a little more jerky, but Woby should stay faster than a rider no matter what.

[Elpida]

4 minutes ago, gaymime said:

i dont understand why you are so upset that woby can go fast. it feels like there is something extra that you want to say but are not saying and it makes your words feel like they are not complete.

I said in my first post, I feel bad for all characters who have to tame beefalo for a fairly long time and in the end the result is worse.

[Guille6785]

good

[SpookyXy]

1 minute ago, Elpida said:

I said in my first post, I feel bad for all characters who have to tame beefalo for a fairly long time and in the end the result is worse.

If the only thing they care about is having the fastest mount then they should play Walter. If there are other traits they value more, then they should accept only having the second fastest mount. Character selection is meant to come with pros and cons.

[Chewabacca]

1 minute ago, Elpida said:

I said in my first post, I feel bad for all characters who have to tame beefalo for a fairly long time and in the end the result is worse.

Picking a character is all about priorities. If you pick a character other than Walter, you have decided that something else that that character can do that Walter can't was more important than having a mount you could access on day 1. That doesn't make rider beefalo with a glossamer saddle any slower, it just means that Walter's mount is the fastest because by choosing Walter people show that one of their top priorities is having a good mount.