Danila6300 Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 Unfortunately, due to the huge backlash against Wendy's skill tree, the other characters have received very little attention. I noticed that the post was specifically written JUST for Wendy. I would like to note separately the update only for Wendy, but I will not do this for now, I assume that there may be some fairly large or interesting changes for Walter and Wortox. I understand that disgruntled players shout very loudly and you are forced to react to this, but other players may understand that everything on this forum can only be achieved by shouting and they will also start shouting. All this can lead to mass screams. I think it's really time to start working on Walter and Wortox, but if someone is unhappy, then you can leave the Wendy update for the back burner. It's time for us to move on! I really like you as a company, you try to listen to the players and implement some of the ideas that are suggested. Sometimes you come up with some pretty original solutions. But you won't be able to please absolutely everyone, and I'll remind you that not all DST players are on the forum. I live in Russia and of all my friends who play this game, only a few somehow monitor the forum. I am sure that the situation is exactly the same in other countries. I believe in you and I think you can solve everything. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Hollow Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 Thx for bringing some positivity to this place. At this point I feel like Wendy deserves a separate game dedicated to her. its a nice thing that the trees are developed in parallel. really hoping for an upgraded Walter skill tree in the near future, he has a bunch of stuff rn that are either obsolete or just unfinished. (though i found it kinda funny how such positivity is masked under a title of "dissatisfaction" xdd) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 Is there any possibilities that the issue you mentioned in resulted by lack of times? I mean, the latest patch is obviously hurry, which means even the changes of Wendy is lack of consideration. It was published out after the first week when Klei return to work completely, for the short period they have to manage the business of TYOX. Wendy's changes is hurry and lack of consideration. This might hint Wortox's and Walter's would have more complex adjustments and all of them are still in cooking.(Which means for their quality , they have not be available in the latest patch) We already have code evidence to prove that the changes of Wendy is simple. (Which makes her changes could published on time) Don't be such anxiety. Believe what Klei planning. Elaborate: The aesthetic works is obviously in parallel with function (code) works. There's a possibility that the aesthetic works for all three characters were all finished and waiting to match their codes. Wendy have almost no code changes due to the latest patch, the new aesthetic is just for exchanging. However, Wortox and Walter may have some new functions or new skill reworks, which these things need far more longer to cook than Wendy. The latest patch is focused on TYOS, which may result the lack of time for function works of Wortox and Walter. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danila6300 Posted January 30, 2025 Author Share Posted January 30, 2025 30 minutes ago, Steorra said: The aesthetic works is obviously in parallel with function (code) works. There's a possibility that the aesthetic works for all three characters were all finished and waiting to match their codes. Wendy have almost no code changes due to the latest patch, the new aesthetic is just for exchanging. However, Wortox and Walter may have some new functions or new skill reworks, which these things need far more longer to cook than Wendy. The latest patch is focused on TYOS, which may result the lack of time for function works of Wortox and Walter. Theoretically, the beta test update should be either tomorrow or Saturday. Let's see what they give us. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewabacca Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 Personally, it would go a long way if they provided more detailed writeups for Walter and Wortox just like they have with Wendy. I'm assuming the best and hoping that Wendy doesn't take priority in the office, but she sure has taken priority in terms of communication. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danila6300 Posted January 30, 2025 Author Share Posted January 30, 2025 7 minutes ago, Chewabacca said: Personally, it would go a long way if they provided more detailed writeups for Walter and Wortox just like they have with Wendy. I'm assuming the best and hoping that Wendy doesn't take priority in the office, but she sure has taken priority in terms of communication. I also hope that Wendy does not occupy a priority position in the office, but sometimes it feels like Wendy is the one who occupies such a high position. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nithalm Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 Wendy is love, Wendy is life. All jokes aside, if the majority of player want a good Wendy, or are very emional about it in some way, Klei should listen. Not because its fair, but because Klei is a business. A business needs to make money, and if Wendy makes them money, than Wendy should have their full, and I mean FULL attention! Like it or not, but the game needs income. The developers better make sure the majority of players stay happy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwaik Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 My expectation is that well get a major update on progress (or the update itself) from Klei tonight. This has been lingering way way way too long without communication, and at this point this entire year getting thrown off because of Wendy outrage is at high risk. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcAngela Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 Forever hilarious that Klei already stated that Walter will be addressed after Wortox and Wendy so they can be sure that all characters get the proper attention they deserve since these 2 are in a very satisfying state already, but this too has drowned in the posts talking about Wendy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 23 minutes ago, ArcAngela said: Forever hilarious that Klei already stated that Walter will be addressed after Wortox and Wendy so they can be sure that all characters get the proper attention they deserve since these 2 are in a very satisfying state already, but this too has drowned in the posts talking about Wendy. For most of them, they knew it. They just disbelieve it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroban Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 Man, as a Walter main im just biting my nails at this much waiting, I really, REALLY hate the fact that he got put on the same skill tree batch as Wendy. She is obviously the most popular character in the entire game while Walter is barely played and really few people know his basekit from top to bottom. The amount of times I have seen good, solid Walter's posts getting overshadowed and buried in seconds by some "Wendy SkIl TrEEe BaD ShEe ShOuLd fLyY aNd HavE a ghOsT WorlD" delulu posts made me really frustated throughout this beta. I hope he ends up having a pretty good final skill tree and isn't rushed at the end in like, Klei dropping the last changes and a few days later the beta goes live without any adjustement from feedback beforehand Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danila6300 Posted January 30, 2025 Author Share Posted January 30, 2025 2 hours ago, Nithalm said: All jokes aside, if the majority of player want a good Wendy, or are very emional about it in some way, Klei should listen. Not because its fair, but because Klei is a business. A business needs to make money, and if Wendy makes them money, than Wendy should have their full, and I mean FULL attention! Like it or not, but the game needs income. The developers better make sure the majority of players stay happy. It will be difficult to know what the majority wants, since the majority does not use the forum. Well, if such business decisions suddenly begin, then I think there will be a lot of screaming, including from me. I myself was silent for some time and just watched, but as you can see, now I am starting to write posts about this. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 I don't know why everyone in the forum wants to take sides on one of the three characters as if they were destined to be mortal enemies. Wendy is only getting a lot of attention mainly because her skilltree is extremely bad. I was there when Wormwood got a bad skilltree, and I was there when Wig got a bad branch. If the survival part branch that Walter gets in a later update or other skilltree in the future can be as bad as they are, you'll see me and other players who really care DST be there either. Just as a dying patient being wheeled into the emergency room would attract a doctor's attention, that's really not a healthy attraction. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nithalm Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 A good way to know character popularity is the sale of character skins. And maybe steam also share some data with them, like anonymus character playtime or so. Who knows? I don't even play the base characters that much, I'm more into modding. But the game must stay alive, and Klei must make some money, one way or another. If they need to give a character extra attention to keep everyone happy, then they have my blessing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koomin Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 14 minutes ago, Cassielu said: I don't know why everyone in the forum wants to take sides on one of the three characters as if they were destined to be mortal enemies. Wendy is only getting a lot of attention mainly because her skilltree is extremely bad. I was there when Wormwood got a bad skilltree, and I was there when Wig got a bad branch. If the survival part branch that Walter gets in a later update or other skilltree in the future can be as bad as they are, you'll see me and other players who really care DST be there either. Just as a dying patient being wheeled into the emergency room would attract a doctor's attention, that's really not a healthy attraction. People originally were not unhappy about Wendy getting extra attention, because as you said her skill tree was bad and needed help. It made sense for her to get extra focus. Now, though, her skill tree is easily one of the best and most in-depth and thought out skill trees in the game, and she has had update after update focused on her, at the expense of the other characters and the rest of the game. And there are still requests from people to focus on her at the expense of everyone else. That is why people are unhappy: it has gone too far and no longer makes sense, and is just blatant favoritism at this point. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroban Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 3 hours ago, Nithalm said: All jokes aside, if the majority of player want a good Wendy, or are very emional about it in some way, Klei should listen. Not because its fair, but because Klei is a business. A business needs to make money, and if Wendy makes them money, than Wendy should have their full, and I mean FULL attention! Most people understand that, at the end of the day if Wendy is the chicken with the golden eggs then yeah they will pay more attention to her. The problem is that Klei made a HORRIBLE decision by putting her and Walter together. I think Walter-Wortox is fine, but Walter should have been put with Wes, Webber or Warly. All these characters have a low amount of players, and would have made the forum more balanced for having discussions and all that. Throughout this beta the forum has been a mess, Wortox and Walter posts are almost non-existent and the few that are posted get buried in seconds by Wendy posts all talking about the same crap in different threads. And yeah sure, Klei most likely has a method to filter posts, but the annoying thing is that since those posts get buried quickly, few people sees them to discuss and give more feedback. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVGMedia Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 44 minutes ago, Koomin said: Now, though, her skill tree is easily one of the best and most in-depth and thought out skill trees in the game, The fact that she has items that don't work and follow the standard rule for those items means she has not really had much thought put into it. Potions are ment to make abby stay alive While Sisturn is ment to help abby recover. yet currently the new content for those swap roles. Ive already made a post on this. That would address this matter and make it so the powers are not unbalanced and also fit within the rules that the character kit is supposed to follow. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koomin Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 3 minutes ago, DVGMedia said: The fact that she has items that don't work and follow the standard rule for those items means she has not really had much thought put into it. Potions are ment to make abby stay alive While Sisturn is ment to help abby recover. yet currently the new content for those swap roles. Ive already made a post on this. That would address this matter and make it so the powers are not unbalanced and also fit within the rules that the character kit is supposed to follow. Things like this are kind of my point: these types of design disagreements and small concerns are present in all skill trees that are released, and are definitely not critical to be fixed. Most of them aren’t even agreed upon by the community, and are hotly debated. Asking for every single nitpick to be addressed in Wendy’s skill tree at the expense of everything else, while Wortox is wandering around with very large and obvious problems and design issues, Walter literally has half a tree, and other game updates are delayed, is excessive. It’s been 2 months of Wendy focus. If you want to poke holes in anything it’s always possible, but at this point it’s enough. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDa_waw Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 I already have content that can be edited into a journal to respond to this idea, and I don't mind rereading a part of it every time. Every character deserves better, so you can strive for it. It's boring here to comment on things you don't understand and try to shift the blame onto the proposer. If you feel that the content updated by KLei is not satisfactory enough, Then express your opinion and let KLei update more satisfactory content. Blaming players like you for the responsibility, the only difference between you and him is that he is not satisfied with the content, which is what you are doing now. Do you want someone to obstruct your right to speak with such lame excuses when you encounter content that you are not satisfied with? Using the lame reason you're giving now? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingle Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 Wortox and Walter players have had their right to speak obstructed, though. Intentionally. 4 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said: I already have content that can be edited into a journal to respond to this idea, and I don't mind rereading a part of it every time. Every character deserves better, so you can strive for it. It's boring here to comment on things you don't understand and try to shift the blame onto the proposer. If you feel that the content updated by KLei is not satisfactory enough, Then express your opinion and let KLei update more satisfactory content. Blaming players like you for the responsibility, the only difference between you and him is that he is not satisfied with the content, which is what you are doing now. Do you want someone to obstruct your right to speak with such lame excuses when you encounter content that you are not satisfied with? Using the lame reason you're giving now? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDa_waw Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 9 minutes ago, Koomin said: Things like this are kind of my point: these types of design disagreements and small concerns are present in all skill trees that are released, and are definitely not critical to be fixed. Most of them aren’t even agreed upon by the community, and are hotly debated. Asking for every single nitpick to be addressed in Wendy’s skill tree at the expense of everything else, while Wortox is wandering around with very large and obvious problems and design issues, Walter literally has half a tree, and other game updates are delayed, is excessive. It’s been 2 months of Wendy focus. If you want to poke holes in anything it’s always possible, but at this point it’s enough. What do you think is enough for a skill tree filled with such 'small problems'? Is it a skill horse nest? If you are satisfied, then go ahead and focus on other things you are not satisfied with. Hindering others from pursuing better things, you are doing disgusting things now. Whether KLei wants to do things well or not is KLei's own business, KLei chooses to do it, and KLei is responsible for it. And you keep betraying your identity as a player and talking nonsense, which is just a complete insult to you as a player. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVGMedia Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 9 minutes ago, Koomin said: Things like this are kind of my point: these types of design disagreements and small concerns are present in all skill trees that are released, and are definitely not critical to be fixed. Most of them aren’t even agreed upon by the community, and are hotly debated. Asking for every single nitpick to be addressed in Wendy’s skill tree at the expense of everything else, while Wortox is wandering around with very large and obvious problems and design issues, Walter literally has half a tree, and other game updates are delayed, is excessive. It’s been 2 months of Wendy focus. If you want to poke holes in anything it’s always possible, but at this point it’s enough. Just like the others we do have the right to voice our concerns. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewabacca Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 4 minutes ago, DVGMedia said: Just like the others we do have the right to voice our concerns. Fair enough. But it would be nice if those concerns were voiced without comparisons to other trees or saying that Wortox and Walter's are supposedly great trees that show how much the developers understand those characters, or saying that because Wendy has more players her skill tree deserves more effort than theirs. That just invites counter-comparisons. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDa_waw Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 6 minutes ago, Dingle said: Wortox and Walter players have had their right to speak obstructed, though. Intentionally. Let me see your speech for Wortox and Walter, and I'll give you a thumbs up. Or is it that condemning Wendy's speech is a suggestion for Wortox and Walter? The advice needed for Wortox and Walter is a bit too pathetic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koomin Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 3 minutes ago, DVGMedia said: Just like the others we do have the right to voice our concerns. I’m perfectly happy with your concerns being voiced. Your hope with your post is to get focus and development time devoted once more to Wendy’s skill tree. I am simply voicing my own concern and request, which just happens to be the opposite: stop focusing on Wendy’s skill tree, and give time to everything else that has been ignored, it is more than enough now. I’m not at all saying you can’t voice your opinion, but this forum exists to offer different views and pieces of advice, and for Klei to decide which to move forwards based off of. I’m not trying to silence you or anything, but instead making my opinion known, and hoping that Klei’s decision making and time allocation is affected by it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163545-my-dissatisfaction-with-the-excessive-attention-paid-to-wendy/#findComment-1791399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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