aoka404 Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 There's no shame in admitting your failure. We'd much rather see a Wendy's skill tree from scratch than a tinkered "balanced" skill tree that is unlikely to be impressive anyway. Only by starting over and incorporating the ideas of other designers can the skill tree shine. Now you're just paranoid about betting on klei's future for your "self-esteem". @Jason Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille6785 Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 nah Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catuna_ Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 how spoiled can you be? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoka404 Posted January 30, 2025 Author Share Posted January 30, 2025 15 minutes ago, Guille6785 said: nah Not talking to you. 5 minutes ago, Catuna_ said: how spoiled can you be? How about you? You can eat anything. That's amazing! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDa_waw Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 8 minutes ago, Catuna_ said: how spoiled can you be? The post is very intense, but it's not a big problem either. After all, when the real rioters appeared, KLei immediately made a promise. This makes those who were once and even now being accused of being thugs very negative, doesn't it? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 how about no? it got allready TOO MUCH CHANGES AND ATTENTION for ONE CHARACTER ONLY, wortox and walter DESERVE better then being put into the same update as wendy Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDa_waw Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 2 minutes ago, Echsrick said: how about no? it got allready TOO MUCH CHANGES AND ATTENTION for ONE CHARACTER ONLY, wortox and walter DESERVE better then being put into the same update as wendy They deserve better, so you can go and fight for it. And here, commenting on things you don't understand and trying to shift the blame onto the proposer is boring. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoka404 Posted January 30, 2025 Author Share Posted January 30, 2025 3 minutes ago, Echsrick said: how about no? it got allready TOO MUCH CHANGES AND ATTENTION for ONE CHARACTER ONLY, wortox and walter DESERVE better then being put into the same update as wendy Updates should focus on quality rather than quantity. No amount of tinkering with an already boring and cumbersome framework will help. And if they do it all over again, put it off for a later update. They can focus their updates on the other two. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDa_waw Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 7 minutes ago, Echsrick said: you are boring you and your flame war baiting all the time....and playing victim, and not even makin sense of the things you say, like what do you mean "i dont understand"? in what way dont i understand hmm? dont you think people have tried so many times posting feedback about wortox and walter all the time? heres the sad truth, people do so but being drown out so often by nonsense and hostile like STRAIGHT UP hostile talk like this is just not normal anymore, wendy got SO MUCH more and QUALITY too...like...seriously??? yes....and wendys skill tree HAS DONE ALLOT of quality work being put into, way more then half the skill trees COMBINED!!! and it allready has been changed so many times, tell us for once, WHAT EXACTLY do you wish for the skill tree? dont just say "dont make it boring" or what ever....come up with ACTUAL ideas of a skill tree WITHOUT any name callings or otherwise things that could be considered hostile, insulting, or in any way being unreasonable for the skill tree....PLEASE seriously its goin to realy hurt my nerves at this point PLEASE just.....just stop with this insulting and name calling of the devs please...they deserve better then just this....it makes me sad that this just keeps happening I am just an dissatisfied player, and you are just a satisfied player. The biggest problem is that you prevent me from giving feedback. Do you want a plan? I have both personal and integrated suggestions here. Let me send you the integrated ones to show you how many suggestions have been buried and why dissatisfied players are angry. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoka404 Posted January 30, 2025 Author Share Posted January 30, 2025 6 minutes ago, Echsrick said: you are boring you and your flame war baiting all the time....and playing victim, and not even makin sense of the things you say, like what do you mean "i dont understand"? in what way dont i understand hmm? dont you think people have tried so many times posting feedback about wortox and walter all the time? heres the sad truth, people do so but being drown out so often by nonsense and hostile like STRAIGHT UP hostile talk like this is just not normal anymore, wendy got SO MUCH more and QUALITY too...like...seriously??? yes....and wendys skill tree HAS DONE ALLOT of quality work being put into, way more then half the skill trees COMBINED!!! and it allready has been changed so many times, tell us for once, WHAT EXACTLY do you wish for the skill tree? dont just say "dont make it boring" or what ever....come up with ACTUAL ideas of a skill tree WITHOUT any name callings or otherwise things that could be considered hostile, insulting, or in any way being unreasonable for the skill tree....PLEASE seriously its goin to realy hurt my nerves at this point PLEASE just.....just stop with this insulting and name calling of the devs please...they deserve better then just this....it makes me sad that this just keeps happening The victim? If a developer can't design something that will satisfy the majority of players, it's not worth the effort, it's better to postpone and start again later! Moreover, the person in charge of different roles is different. The other two designers have their own ideas and plans, and even if Wendy's skill tree design is completed, it can't advance their progress. The point of testing is to give developers advice and make more players happy. None of our previous comments can be incorporated into this version unless we start over. We want designers to realize this now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethin Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 2 minutes ago, aoka404 said: The point of testing is to give developers advice and make more players happy. None of our previous comments can be incorporated into this version unless we start over. We want designers to realize this now. I agree. Her skill tree is a complete failure. Let's postponed her update to later, maybe after all other characters receive theirs and then after all post-rift contents and the post-rift final boss. THEN we can design the best skill tree that ever was for her. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Rage Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 45 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said: The post is very intense, but it's not a big problem either. After all, when the real rioters appeared, KLei immediately made a promise. This makes those who were once and even now being accused of being thugs very negative, doesn't it? What did Klei promise? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethin Posted January 30, 2025 Share Posted January 30, 2025 20 minutes ago, somethin said: In case this isn't obvious, this is sarcasm. Please release Wendy the way that she is. Or better, the first iteration of her tree would be even funnier. Anyway, I just hope the people at Klei know what they're dealing with currently. This whole thread is really messy, so let's talk about Walter instead. Can you guy add a skill that made his tent more durable/usable during the day? Thanks Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163534-advice-to-designers/#findComment-1791175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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