为什么？

[Dingle]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Tbh the food resources would always be lacking for newcomers. They won't waste their dumplings by rotten in most scenarios. This is not worthy for them.

Same reason for tents.

Additionally, this part you mentioned is extremely inconvenient.

I'm sorry but experienced Wendy players could easily get jelly beans and binding warps. I don't think it's such meaningful what you mentioned here.

 

But Wendy could easily to kill bee queen in day 5 for experienced players. Already mentioned above.

And the night vision is enough by using mole hat and the star caller for experienced players. Wreath is just a novel thing to them but unnecessary.

No, this would be not enough for early game especially when you want to rush something.

When you want to rush some particular aims, you have no time to collect enough MGs for keep wreath working.

When you have time to collect MGs, wreath become unnecessary for you.

It's similar like what the situation W.A.R.B.I.S gears at.

Newcomers have food issues is a pretty terrible argument, if you're presenting that these newcomers have access to a birdcage and are making eggs. And are Wendy. Being disingenuous in your arguments is bad for multiple reasons. One of which is that it makes me distrust other things you say. Example, I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding my "convert extra health to cure alls" point or not.

Could also use revenant restorative to heal instead. Those don't take player health.

One 2 minute pipspook quest is 20 mg. Saves you time from getting moles, finding depths worm.

[WeWoWa]

10 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Even if you ignore most of the other potions how in the world is better moggles/miner's hat only good until winter? Like maybe if you're glued to the backpack or immediately rush the lunar rifts maybe I could somewhat understand but even just barely but it's hard for me to understand as it's the best obtainable pre rift equip based light source and that's just one of it's effects if anything considering how much you get out of that skill point it's stranger it doesn't cost more when compared with other characters.

I don’t think Wraith’s Wreath is better than Moggles/Miner’s Hat. When it comes to the night vision potion, it’s only useful until you obtain something like the Miner’s Hat, which is a much cheaper and easier option. Besides, almost everyone uses the Lantern anyway. I said that Wraith’s Wreath is useful at most until winter because of the speed-boost potion, which becomes useless once you get the Walking Cane.

[Koomin]

1 hour ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

When I first entered the forum for Wendy's feedback, I showed that I was a Chinese player, and the main character was Wendy. Then I put forward my idea, but it was maliciously interpreted as a thug (it's really strange. I tried to explain and communicate with them, but they only satirized that you were a Chinese thug and gagged me with some unreasonable words)

But these people were not punished, and then I hit him back in the same way, and then I was warned????

It's so funny

I have no idea what this post you are referring to is, but if you have a link or something that would be helpful.  Regardless, this makes no sense.  Why would you even know that they were not warned?  That is not public information, they might have been.  And also you say you "hit him back in the same way".  It honestly sounds like maybe your warning was deserved?  Hitting him back in the same way sounds pretty bad honestly.

 

1 hour ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

Can't I say that I have encountered such unfair treatment???? It's strange.

 

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163348-a-feeling-of-emotion-towards-the-current-situation/

 

Look at this.

现成的

 

 

Am I missing something here?  Why did you link me this?  It's just people talking about the beta pretty normally.  Nothing here seems wrong at all if this is what you are upset about.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

2分钟前，Koomin说：

我不知道你指是这个帖子是什么

…你也挺会装的，之前玩家标签的时候你看不见吗？还让我自证什么，说实话你这个态度，你没必要跟我进行什么对话了，挺可笑的你

[Steorra]

11 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Being disingenuous in your arguments is bad for multiple reasons.

You know it's normal when people have different opinions right?

I think you have ignored the vegetable source for newcomers, and same for the cooking recipe problem.

I was raised many newcomers to have base knowledge of DST by play together with them. Many arguments here was based on what happened to me when I take care of those newbies.

14 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Example, I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding my "convert extra health to cure alls" point or not.

I could understand this point, but I disagree that this point would work for newcomers. It need more experiences and when they at that stage they may still feeling the telltale hearts are more expensive than dumplings, which makes the wreath not worthy for them.

You should not to ignore the inconvenience of telltale hearts crafting I have to say - even I was mentioned this before when the discussion of "if to change the CureAll recipe from telltale heart to life giving amulet". The telltale heart is far more expensive than amulet when you want to crafting CureAll massively after mid game.

Time is a resources of DST.

16 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Could also use revenant restorative to heal instead. Those don't take player health.

I would agree with this. I would like to recommend newbies to try this in future. But only this point is weak to prove the wreath is good enough. (And of course it's not. Devs already said that more improvements would comes for it in future 2 months before.)

18 minutes ago, Dingle said:

One 2 minute pipspook quest is 20 mg. Saves you time from getting moles, finding depths worm.

I understand this point, but the pipspooks has regeneration chances problem before day 2-5, and the insight points build for making your argument works is not suitable for everyone playstyle imo.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

11分钟前，Koomin说：

他们可能是。你还说你“以同样的方式回击他”。老实说，听起来也许你的警告是当之无愧的？

说的好像你没这样做过似的，你怎么这么喜欢睁眼说瞎话啊

[Dingle]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

You know it's normal when people have different opinions right?

I think you have ignored the vegetable source for newcomers, and same for the cooking recipe problem.

I was raised many newcomers to have base knowledge of DST by play together with them. Many arguments here was based on what happened to me when I take care of those newbies.

I could understand this point, but I disagree that this point would work for newcomers. It need more experiences and when they at that stage they may still feeling the telltale hearts are more expensive than dumplings, which makes the wreath not worthy for them.

You should not to ignore the inconvenience of telltale hearts crafting I have to say - even I was mentioned this before when the discussion of "if to change the CureAll recipe from telltale heart to life giving amulet". The telltale heart is far more expensive than amulet when you want to crafting CureAll massively after mid game.

Time is a resources of DST.

I would agree with this. I would like to recommend newbies to try this in future. But only this point is weak to prove the wreath is good enough. (And of course it's not. Devs already said that more improvements would comes for it in future 2 months before.)

I understand this point, but the pipspooks has regeneration chances problem before day 2-5, and the insight points build for making your argument works is not suitable for everyone playstyle imo.

Tents convert food to health. As Wendy with a birdcage, even a complete newcomer shouldn't have food issues. You don't even need to teach them a crockpot recipe. Have them eat raw eggs if you need to.

After that, if you taught them bacon and eggs, they wouldn't need veggies for pierogi. I was going to say you would have to teach them about frogs for easy legs, but now team spirit will let them kill birds for morsels.

Then teach them that if they're hungry, but at full health, craft a telltale heart sometimes.

 

[Koomin]

3 minutes ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

说的好像你没这样做过似的，你怎么这么喜欢睁眼说瞎话啊

Writing "why do you like telling lies so much" is a good example of what you are getting warned for.  It's just rude and against the community guidelines.  They are here, it might be good to read through them (I'm assuming you haven't since the very first one is to post in English and you are not doing that, and you are also breaking a number of other ones):

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/guidelines/

  I'm not really sure what you are expecting here - you keep acting rude, and then get warned for acting rude.  Even in your own thread where you are saying it's unfair.  I don't think there are any malicious actions or anything against a specific country - if you want people to be friendly, try being friendly?

[Steorra]

9 minutes ago, Dingle said:

. You don't even need to teach them a crockpot recipe. Have them eat raw eggs if you need to

Tbh the food resources would never become what you described here for them... 

Yes to kill spiders would be easy as Wendy but to collect Spider den for a farm is hard for them. They always die by spider queen.

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, WeWoWa said:

I don’t think Wraith’s Wreath is better than Moggles/Miner’s Hat. When it comes to the night vision potion, it’s only useful until you obtain something like the Miner’s Hat, which is a much cheaper and easier option. Besides, almost everyone uses the Lantern anyway. I said that Wraith’s Wreath is useful at most until winter because of the speed-boost potion, which becomes useless once you get the Walking Cane.

This is just factually incorrect in every possible way.

First with her skill you get 20 morning glory's in a single pipspook quest.

Second stingers are the cheapest and fastest resource to amass for Wendy.

Third the potion is non perishable unlike light bulbs and while the wreath is it takes a long time to perish and the materials it's made from are non perishable.

Fourth the potion can be created in batches and you can store multiple stacks of the potion in a single inventory slot.

I can't think of a single advantage for the miner's Hat in comparsion. You can use a lantern if you want but even then a lantern is a inferior light source in terms of seeing what's going on around you much like the miner’s hat. That aside the healing potion is also strong for how cheap they are to produce. The logic being appiled to the wreath would be like someone saying Maxwell's shadow prision needs buffed because they personally don't find it's holding useful as techinically speaking there are those who don't care to use it. If your saying the shield effect isn't very good I can accept that but to downplay what the rest of the abilities give is just silly.

[Steorra]

28 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

This is just factually incorrect in every possible way.

First with her skill you get 20 morning glory's in a single pipspook quest.

Second stingers are the cheapest and fastest resource to amass for Wendy.

Third the potion is non perishable unlike light bulbs and while the wreath is it takes a long time to perish and the materials it's made from are non perishable.

Fourth the potion can be created in batches and you can store multiple stacks of the potion in a single inventory slot.

I can't think of a single advantage for the miner's Hat in comparsion. You can use a lantern if you want but even then a lantern is a inferior light source in terms of seeing what's going on around you much like the miner’s hat. That aside the healing potion is also strong for how cheap they are to produce. The logic being appiled to the wreath would be like someone saying Maxwell's shadow prision needs buffed because they personally don't find it's holding useful as techinically speaking there are those who don't care to use it. If your saying the shield effect isn't very good I can accept that but to downplay what the rest of the abilities give is just silly.

If we only talking about the night vision, the wreath of Wendy has a similar issue like what W.A.R.B.I.S gears was mentioned in GD before - it only take a role between the period from "I can't get star caller" to "I have star caller". It's hard to say that if star caller is more expensive than wreath or not when you are experienced enough for early ruin rush.

And additionally, before the star caller (normally in day 5-8), there have too many other competitors. And pipspooks is rare and expensive for early game before day 10 if you managed to go for a ruin rush if you have bad luck or special needs of other aims.

And if we consider the insight assigning... I guess more potential arguments would comes.

[Mysterious box]

2 hours ago, Steorra said:

If we only talking about the night vision, the wreath of Wendy has a similar issue like what W.A.R.B.I.S gears was mentioned in GD before - it only take a role between the period from "I can't get star caller" to "I have star caller". It's hard to say that if star caller is more expensive than wreath or not when you are experienced enough for early ruin rush.

And additionally, before the star caller (normally in day 5-8), there have too many other competitors. And pipspooks is rare and expensive for early game before day 10 if you managed to go for a ruin rush if you have bad luck or special needs of other aims.

And if we consider the insight assigning... I guess more potential arguments would comes.

They don't fill the same role you don't use a star caller with every step you take you use it in points of interest or combat locations there is no other light source pre rift that fulfills the role of the wreaths mobile large range light sources. Also even while lesser the other potions outside of the shield are good enough to stand on their own as well.

[Steorra]

7 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

you don't use a star caller with every step you take you use it in points of interest or combat locations

However, It's unnecessary to use mole hat or wreath night vision out of these locations.

7 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

the role of the wreaths mobile large range light sources

Mole hat and nightberry (yes it might be endgame normally but it could be first than rift opened)

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

However, It's unnecessary to use mole hat or wreath night vision out of these locations.

Mole hat and nightberry (yes it might be endgame normally but it could be first than rift opened)

Night berries are far more limited, mole hat is not only worse but it's fuel is only accessible in a fixed location whereas Wendy can bring her spawners to base.

Why would it be unnecessary to use one of the best sources of light outside of places of interest? Do you just move during the day?

[SilverSpoon]

5 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

I can't think of a single advantage for the miner's Hat in comparsion.

It's too far "The night vision potion, it’s only useful until you obtain something like the Miner’s Hat" but...

1.Miner Hat shares fuel with Lantern.
2.Miner Hat has 20% water proofness.
3.Wraith's Wreath is soakable and will drain the player's -2.7/min sanity if it is raining.
4.Wraith's Wreath's night vision effect does not show how much time is left, and will immediately black out when it expires.
5.Removing the Wraith's Wreath will consume the entire night vision duration.

By the way, I only use Enlightened Crown which my simps brings.

[Maxil20]

31 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

By the way, I only use Enlightened Crown which my simps brings.

I admittedly don’t think it’s a good idea to compare a light item you get right at the end of the lunar questline to early-game alternatives like the wreath/miner hat. It doesn’t hold much value since the crown really should be better than most early-midgame alternatives anyway  for how far in the game you get it.

That being said, I feel it’s good that the wreath/miner hat both have ups and downs and one isn’t strictly “better” or “worse” than the other. I’ve seen a lot of my friends use the wreath for light and like it and I know a lot of people like the miner hat and are alright with it. The choice pretty much comes down to personal preference, and I think that’s nice.

If anything, the only thing I would want is for the wreath to “remember” the potion duration when you unequip it, but would still go down internally (so instead of unequipping it and immediately losing the buff, it would still remain in the hat but passively count down in the background). I feel that would be a good middle ground without turning it into a 99% strictly better moggles.

[SilverSpoon]

11 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

I admittedly don’t think it’s a good idea to compare a light item you get right at the end of the lunar questline to early-game alternatives like the wreath/miner hat. It doesn’t hold much value since the crown really should be better than most early-midgame alternatives anyway  for how far in the game you get it.

Oh boy, it's just joke by bozo. But it's no joke that in the most late game Wraith's Wreath is almost replaced by Enlightened Crown and Polar Bearger Bin.

[Maxil20]

52 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

Oh boy, it's just joke by bozo. But it's no joke that in the most late game Wraith's Wreath is almost replaced by Enlightened Crown and Polar Bearger Bin.

It was a bit hard to tell given the forums, well, lively nature lately, but that’s fair enough!

[Wendyskill]

狭隘的设计师和充满外来者偏见的社区环境正在摧毁这个游戏，十年以来这是最失望的时刻。