Steorra Posted December 19, 2024 Share Posted December 19, 2024 Current Cursed Vex seems has same problem as the shadow abi before. It need buff for postrift endgame since it need postrift material. To unlock something in endgame but only performed good for postrift is meaningless. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyoton123 Posted December 19, 2024 Share Posted December 19, 2024 Remind me again. Is this a form that you unlock via celestial champion/fuelweaver kill, or a pure horror potion? (Which is still available prerift, but regardless). EDIT: I think this is largely duplicative with another thread here, which I agreed with. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1780810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 19, 2024 Author Share Posted December 19, 2024 8 minutes ago, hyoton123 said: Remind me again. Is this a form that you unlock via celestial champion/fuelweaver kill, or a pure horror potion? (Which is still available prerift, but regardless). EDIT: I think this is largely duplicative with another thread here, which I agreed with. The Cursed Vex is the elixir from Shadow Sisterhood II. I know pure horror is achievable for pre-rift, but it is extremely rare. And if an affinity skill only served for the shorter game period of when you got the pure horror, it would be unreasonable. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1780812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussoDaFederal Posted December 19, 2024 Share Posted December 19, 2024 7 minutes ago, Steorra said: The Cursed Vex is the elixir from Shadow Sisterhood II. Which is still locked behind the "achievement" of killing AF. 14 minutes ago, hyoton123 said: Remind me again. Is this a form that you unlock via celestial champion/fuelweaver kill, or a pure horror potion? (Which is still available prerift, but regardless). You need to kill CC/AF to unlock this perk, and the elixir still takes pure horror to craft. So it's mostly a post rift stuff. Tbh if you manage to kill NW to farm pure horror (the only pre rift source of pure horror) you shouldn't have a problem killing AF and activating the shadow rift anyway Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1780815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApoIIo Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 10 hours ago, RussoDaFederal said: Which is still locked behind the "achievement" of killing AF. It's once per account, so if you ever tested this perk there is no longer such a restriction ever for you. 10 hours ago, RussoDaFederal said: You need to kill CC/AF to unlock this perk, and the elixir still takes pure horror to craft. So it's mostly a post rift stuff. Tbh if you manage to kill NW to farm pure horror (the only pre rift source of pure horror) you shouldn't have a problem killing AF and activating the shadow rift anyway I can see myself duping pure horror using green gems and dreadstone armor tbf. Elixirs shouldn't be too costy with the bonus crafting perk. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 20, 2024 Author Share Posted December 20, 2024 9 minutes ago, ApoIIo said: I can see myself duping pure horror using green gems and dreadstone armor tbf. Elixirs shouldn't be too costy with the bonus crafting perk. I may take your point, but I don't think the duping by green gem would makes the design of Cursed Vex become a pre-rift item. It seems more like a special scenario for me. I mean, we can't say that there is a item which is designed as a green gem duping only don't we? Cursed Vex is obviously as a post rift item by design, the green gem is only a special source for it, but not main. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussoDaFederal Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 1 minute ago, ApoIIo said: It's once per account, so if you ever tested this perk there is no longer such a restriction ever for you. Yes, I thought that was implied when I wrote "achievement". 1 minute ago, ApoIIo said: I can see myself duping pure horror using green gems and dreadstone armor tbf. Elixirs shouldn't be too costy with the bonus crafting perk. Same issue, only NW drops pure horror pre rift. If you can kill NW, it's usually more productive to just activate the shadow rift, it becomes way easier to farm pure horror then Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardee Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 Simple solution is to make all additional vex buff damage planar. For example, if vex boosts Wendy's damage by 60%, then that 60% will be planar instead of normal damage. This will have zero affect on pre-rift. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApoIIo Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 18 minutes ago, RussoDaFederal said: Yes, I thought that was implied when I wrote "achievement". I meant as in "I don't think this restriction matters too much in practice 19 minutes ago, RussoDaFederal said: Same issue, only NW drops pure horror pre rift. If you can kill NW, it's usually more productive to just activate the shadow rift, it becomes way easier to farm pure horror then I think FW is a significantly bigger roadblock than NMpig Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranoze Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 1 hour ago, Lardee said: Simple solution is to make all additional vex buff damage planar. I think klei avoided this because vex buff scale with base physical damage, and it might make wendy with dark sword/beefalo along with stuff that buff base physical damage like spice goat jelly chilli powder... have more planar vex than brightshade swords that have like 30 base physical damage. Making vex buff scale with bonus planar damage then make wendy better than wolfgang, as wolf only add flat planar damage with his skill tree, and if there are more planar damage in future, wendy then become the new wolfgang. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 20, 2024 Author Share Posted December 20, 2024 38 minutes ago, Tranoze said: I think klei avoided this because vex buff scale with base physical damage, and it might make wendy with dark sword/beefalo along with stuff that buff base physical damage like spice goat jelly chilli powder... have more planar vex than brightshade swords that have like 30 base physical damage. Making vex buff scale with bonus planar damage then make wendy better than wolfgang, as wolf only add flat planar damage with his skill tree, and if there are more planar damage in future, wendy then become the new wolfgang. I think vex should not work for planar damage but the Cursed Vex should, since general Vex is obtained from the beginning, but Cursed Vex is mainly for post-rift... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardee Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 47 minutes ago, Tranoze said: I think klei avoided this because vex buff scale with base physical damage, and it might make wendy with dark sword/beefalo along with stuff that buff base physical damage like spice goat jelly chilli powder... have more planar vex than brightshade swords that have like 30 base physical damage. I mean, you have to swap to a completely different character, farm volt goat horns, cook and bundle all of that, and then wait until it rains to pull this off. Not sure why this is an issue. 47 minutes ago, Tranoze said: Making vex buff scale with bonus planar damage then make wendy better than wolfgang, as wolf only add flat planar damage with his skill tree, and if there are more planar damage in future, wendy then become the new wolfgang. Why does it matter if Wendy can achieve a higher DPS than Wolfgang if you jump through a bunch of hoops to give her spicy volt goat jelly and wait till it rains? Did Klei say that Wendy isn't allowed to deal more damage than Wolfgang? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koomin Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 1 hour ago, Tranoze said: I think klei avoided this because vex buff scale with base physical damage, and it might make wendy with dark sword/beefalo along with stuff that buff base physical damage like spice goat jelly chilli powder... have more planar vex than brightshade swords that have like 30 base physical damage. Making vex buff scale with bonus planar damage then make wendy better than wolfgang, as wolf only add flat planar damage with his skill tree, and if there are more planar damage in future, wendy then become the new wolfgang. Just make the potion change a flat amount of the vex damage to planar and the problem is solved. "This potion changes up to 20 vex damage to planar damage." (20 is a completely random number just as an example) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 20, 2024 Author Share Posted December 20, 2024 8 minutes ago, Koomin said: Just make the potion change a flat amount of the vex damage to planar and the problem is solved. "This potion changes up to 20 vex damage to planar damage." (20 is a completely random number just as an example) Sounds reasonable, I hope klei would consider this method... The planar damage would get boost by this, but the upper limit would prevent Wendy from being overpower. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranoze Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 1 hour ago, Lardee said: Why does it matter if Wendy can achieve a higher DPS than Wolfgang I dont know, i just think of possible reason why klei didnt give wendy more planar damage in first place. If they give her, i wouldnt mind. Or cursed vex could go different route -> Make boss attack weaker (-20% damage vs friends, - 40% damage vs wendy)... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_NiX Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 Speaking off, am I the only one who feels like some Lunar/Shadow based perks should be locked behind boss kill in existing world, providing talent re-spec upon the first shadow/lunar boss in said world? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingle Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 4 hours ago, Master_NiX said: Speaking off, am I the only one who feels like some Lunar/Shadow based perks should be locked behind boss kill in existing world, providing talent re-spec upon the first shadow/lunar boss in said world? That would make more sense, and also make things a lot more consistent between characters. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argwarn Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 Yes the vex potion buff currently is half the reason wendy is in top damage charts even if it is tuned down it is valuable enough,25% vex and extra 8 planar per hit would work well too The other thing is mostly the damage reduction from sisturn 3 , Abigail could take 50% more damage more from bosses and be good with it Either way the value on either would be good enough Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162671-cursed-vex-need-nerf-for-pre-rift-and-buff-for-post-roft/#findComment-1781722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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