Stupid question... But what does everyone actually want with wendy

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

The small optimization of Wendy's skill tree is useless at all.

没用的东西干嘛要用它，重做温蒂技能树！！！！

[Anis5240]

12 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

It's been a year and Wilson mains still can't comprehend that their character's entire gimmick is that he's plain beginner-friendly character and was intended by devs to be like that from the very beginning.

And yet even you can't deny that a more generalized light source tree is miles better than a tree that just focus ON ONE SINGLE DAMN THING THAT WAS OUTCLASSED BY ANOTHER ITEM. Get real.

Also IT IS OVER A YEAR ALREADY. GETTING CLOSE TO 2 YEARS, IN FACT.

[RexySeven]

3 hours ago, Tarnishedmax said:

do you ever like play other characters and maybe realize every character has their own prep and quirks they have to do

I feel like Wendy "mains" don't know about existence of other characters in this game because they just play only Wendy in every world.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

Strictly speaking, none of Wendy's skill trees is useful.

从严格角度来说，温蒂技能树没有一个是有用的

[RexySeven]

1 minute ago, Anis5240 said:

And yet even you can't deny that a more generalized light source tree is miles better than a tree that just focus ON ONE SINGLE DAMN THING THAT WAS OUTCLASSED BY ANOTHER ITEM. Get real.

Also IT IS OVER A YEAR ALREADY. GETTING CLOSE TO 2 YEARS, IN FACT.

Pick alchemy skill tree, nobody is holding you at gunpoint to use torch tree.

[IAmAFurrz]

3 hours ago, WenericMember said:

Yes!!! Just... this!!! She does have the ability to getbAbby to dodge attacks, its just really weak right now and its bringing dow. The whole tree so badly.

yea... itd be so cool to have wendy be a functional summoner cuz she'd be be real fun to control

[Anis5240]

Just now, RexySeven said:

nobody is holding you at gunpoint to use torch tree.

Yet you can't deny such torch tree is a waste of potential. Why even bother having that be put in? Might as well not exist and people won't even blink an eye over it.

[katarinagray03]

Personally, I would like Wendy and Abigail to be able to fight together and Abigail are able to survive until the end of the boss fight.

Now, a lot of people here seems to misunderstand the difference between Abigail destroying bosses on her own and Abigail is able to survive until the end of the boss fight.

Bernie is a good example.

If you're not able to read and understand before commenting. Please read again.

[RexySeven]

Just now, Anis5240 said:

Yet you can't deny such torch tree is a waste of potential. Why even bother having that be put in? Might as well not exist and people won't even blink an eye over it.

Imagine that it doesn't exist then and live happily ever after. 

[WenericMember]

1 minute ago, katarinagray03 said:

Personally, I would like Wendy and Abigail to be able to fight together and Abigail are able to survive until the end of the boss fight.

Now, a lot of people here seems to misunderstand the difference between Abigail destroying bosses on her own and Abigail is able to survive until the end of the boss fight.

Bernie is a good example.

If you're not able to read and understand before commenting. Please read again.

Pretty much everyone agrees with you, just disagrees onnwhat that requires. 

Should you just play normally as any other survivor and expect Abby to survive? Micromanage potions? Make use of simulaneous kiting and  team spirit commands? How much margin for error?

 

 

[RexySeven]

Why people exaggerating Abigail dying in a boss fight like something crazy game breaking that shouldn't ever happen?

[NINA1917]

2 hours ago, Koomin said:

-"We need Abigail to be able to survive boss fights" -> Klei makes an Abigail form specifically for surviving boss fights that maintains her dps, and gives her planar defense, easily living way longer than normal Abigail
-"What we actually need is to be able to control where Abigail goes to help her dodge" -> Klei gives the ability to command her yourself
-"We need Wendy to be able to be able to do more damage"-> Klei makes an Abigail form that lets Wendy do Wolfgang dps
-"Oh also we don't want the bug with Wendy doing way too high damage on a beefalo that removes her downside even though it's clearly not intended" - Klei doesn't remove it
"-We need Wendy to have some bonuses that do not need Abigail" -> Klei let's the potions be used on Wendy for fun new bonuses
-"We need Abigail to have some extra fun uses for flavor" -> Klei gives Abigail the ability to haunt stuff in the world for cool effects
"-Wendy takes too much time and effort doing her quests and storing the resources" -> Klei gives bonuses to the gather rate of pipspooks and a thing to carry everything
-"We need some fun flavorful perks even if they are not super strong" -> Klei gives ability to move and create graves and revive from them

-"You need to actually try fighting the bosses for yourself she is actually really weak" -> people post videos of beating all the bosses with Abigail with simple strategies

Everyone on the forum "Why is Klei not listening to our feedback.  Wendy's skill tree is horrible and they gave her nothing she needed.  They should redo the whole thing."
It is pretty clear at this point that the problem here is that they really wanted to get all this stuff but overpowered. 

The clear fact is that the Wendy players who asked for the skill tree to be changed are not a group, and each of them has their own ideas. There is a conflict between these ideas, but it is overshadowed by another common thread - they believe the skill tree needs to change (I originally proposed the idea of grave resurrection in a Chinese forum, which I thought was great, but some people clearly disagreed)

[layangan putus]

1 hour ago, RexySeven said:

Why people exaggerating Abigail dying in a boss fight like something crazy game breaking that shouldn't ever happen?

It's an awful experience, you are given this power which is Abi but you can't effectively use it in combat because of her limiting AI design. You suffer from character downside not because your mistakes or your lack of preparation but this unstoppable force without solution except back to basic and dismiss Abi. For example: You are earth mage fighting golem boss (immune to earth magic), you are struggling this weak match-up but then you can always reset your skills to other affinity and use different build to solve this problem. Now can Wendy use another build to solve this issue? No, because Wendy is Wendy so you just deal with it using Wilson's way. Imagine in the future, they add more engaging bosses similar to A-Bearger with high health pool, little to no downtime, swift AoE & knockback attacks that needs precise movement to dodge, input reading, and also immune to planar damage so basically you are caged as poor Wilson (Abi wouldn't survive this and you would have no window to summon her) from the beginning until the end of fight while others could use catapults, fiery spells, teleportation, etc for extra damage and utility. They should add this future boss that can disable all power, turning survivors into their spirit form free from upsides and downsides as part of the fight. The current balancing for Wendy issue are riding beefalo (ignoring 0.75 for physical damage) and planar equipment (only calculating 0.75 attack modifier for physical but not planar damage for final damage output). The fun part of being Wendy is to keep Abi alive, fighting enemies side by side like the twins they are.

TLDR: Whaddya mean? Everything is totally fine! Wendy and Abigail are eating good, totally better than some guy with torch & beard.

[Anis5240]

29 minutes ago, DST enjoyer said:

totally better than some guy with torch & beard.

[Mike23Ua]

2 hours ago, RexySeven said:

It's been a year and Wilson mains still can't comprehend that their character's entire gimmick is that he's plain beginner-friendly character and was intended by devs to be like that from the very beginning.

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of, first of all.. Wilson isn’t the only character unlocked from the start (like he is in Solo Don’t Starve) and you have to unlock others overtime, second: There’s no flashing arrow pointing to Wilson on the character select screen that says “Recommended” But perhaps the BIGGEST reason this is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard…

Is because Wilson & Willow are the Male & Female Mascots of the franchise, they both occupy the games main loading screen or the digital box art or whatever.. this is the very REASON why Willows character prior to her rework and skill tree was so close to Boring and Basic like Wilson’s… because she was the “Female” version of the basic starter character.

But now Willow has overstepped Wilson in Major ways by getting both a fun rework (Wilson never got a Rework…) AND a cool skill tree that made her even more unique to play.

Im not a Wilson Main.. but the poor fella got shafted in that shady deal.

[WenericMember]

I think theres room to buff wilson, but the tricky part is they need to keep him "honest" I suppose. Hes the vanilla character, meaning by default hes supposed to interact with the world in the intended method. (Except for the iridescent gem for some reason.) By default the game is balanced around wilson, so giving him something wacky would throw that off, hard.

Imagine balancing boss hp around wolfgang, or hordes around wendy, or mobility around wortox. Wilson doesnt have any of that so the developers and players can engage with a "control"

[Anis5240]

1 minute ago, WenericMember said:

they need to keep him "honest"

It's not like the OG DS WILSON AIN'T THERE, god. THAT'S YOUR DAMNED HONEST WILSON FROM DS.

The biggest thing that irked me most was the torch tree for such a lame perk that again, ONLY WORKS FOR AN ITEM. Meanwhile, Willow can do many things with her lighter - and hey, guess what???? HER LIGHTER PERKS HAD THE BRIGHTNESS AND DURABILITY COMBINED.

MEANWHILE WILSON SLAVING OFF 3-7 POINTS JUST FOR LE FUNNY TORCH THROW.

[Tarnishedmax]

3 hours ago, Anis5240 said:

And yet even you can't deny that a more generalized light source tree is miles better than a tree that just focus ON ONE SINGLE DAMN THING THAT WAS OUTCLASSED BY ANOTHER ITEM. Get real.

Also IT IS OVER A YEAR ALREADY. GETTING CLOSE TO 2 YEARS, IN FACT.

He doesn’t even have anything to do with anything here

[WenericMember]

12 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

It's not like the OG DS WILSON AIN'T THERE, god. THAT'S YOUR DAMNED HONEST WILSON FROM DS.

The biggest thing that irked me most was the torch tree for such a lame perk that again, ONLY WORKS FOR AN ITEM. Meanwhile, Willow can do many things with her lighter - and hey, guess what???? HER LIGHTER PERKS HAD THE BRIGHTNESS AND DURABILITY COMBINED.

MEANWHILE WILSON SLAVING OFF 3-7 POINTS JUST FOR LE FUNNY TORCH THROW.

I dont disagree, its just from the dev streams it doesnt appear that they particularly have a dev build. So in the current update, ds wilson doesnt exist.

So until they rework their entire dev pipeline I doubt that would change.

In any case, I thought Wilsons entire appeal was that he was the only entirely honest character. If you're interested in the personality and not the gameplay style (which is possibly whats making the wendy discourse so toxic)  then idk if they should be balancing around you.

Apologies if this is sounding dismissive/jumping down your throat but idk what else it could be.

 

[Anis5240]

Just now, Tarnishedmax said:

He doesn’t even have anything to do with anything here

That's my secret, Cap. Whenever people mention Wilson, I'll be there.

[Tarnishedmax]

1 minute ago, Anis5240 said:

That's my secret, Cap. Whenever people mention Wilson, I'll be there.

Thats a really sad gimmick

[SilverSpoon]

2 hours ago, RexySeven said:

Why people exaggerating Abigail dying in a boss fight like something crazy game breaking that shouldn't ever happen?

After Abigail dies in the boss battle, Wendy will become to Wes. Even if the Sisturn is active, the player is forced to fight the boss as Wes for 3 minutes, or fight the already vulnerable Abigail as 4 times more vulnerable. There are elixirs to instantly make Abigail 600 HP, but "Forget me lots" is one of hard items to get in this game. So "Soothing Tea" or "Beefalo Treats" are some of the most underused items in the game.

In the first place, being unable to use Abigail in the boss battle is a fatal issue character-wise. While unable to use Abigail, so what is the point of using Wendy?

[Anis5240]

5 minutes ago, Tarnishedmax said:

Thats a really sad gimmick

Just as sad of a gimmick as torch tree 

[IAmAFurrz]

3 hours ago, RexySeven said:

Why people exaggerating Abigail dying in a boss fight like something crazy game breaking that shouldn't ever happen?

its not that it shouldnt ever happen, its that abi is either good at a boss or she isnt, and there is nothing wendy can do to help out, which is very bad game design cuz its very 'key-and-lock' design in fights when she is for that`for wendy (since she explicitly has a special vex for wendy, but she is still a mob so takes full damage from bosses, usually 150/200 damage, and nowadays a lot of bosses are aoe as they should be so abi cant survive for a minute even with spectral curealls). its why im all for allowing controlling her positioning without a stupid animation to make it smoother in combat.

the problem of her dying, is if you **** up, rather than just the game deciding if wendy can use abi for a certain boss

[Tranoze]

20 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

That's my secret, Cap. Whenever people mention Wilson, I'll be there.

It was my plan all along.