Stupid question... But what does everyone actually want with wendy

[Tranoze]

8 minutes ago, Tarnishedmax said:

I dont think you have tested or played this at all, why do you say 1-4 minutes? i took less than 2 minutes on both and less

So walking around map looking for bee hives doesnt count? Walking around looking for graves doesnt count? Beehive just naturally spawn at where you are and have 20 bees ready for you? Cuz as far as i know each hive only have 6 bees.
One flower just naturally spawn 20 butterflies for you? instantly? Even in winter?

You sure tested it, but do you even play the game to know those things take unpredictable amount of time?

[Xplan]

5 minutes ago, Tarnishedmax said:

我认为你根本没有测试或玩过这个，为什么你说 1-4 分钟？我在这两个项目上都花了不到 2 分钟，在 Varg 上花了不到 20 秒......整个游戏不是关于与 Boss 战斗，你同时做一些事情，这个增益是值得的，因为它将她的伤害增加到每次打击 100 或对平面实体 50，如果我没记错的话，普通的艾比只对平面的东西做大约 20 件事，而且你甚至不需要利用那个增益，因为长生不老药本身就携带了所有的伤害， 而且 Elixir 便宜得离谱，我真的被你的评论弄得目瞪口呆，你有没有想过玩其他角色，也许意识到每个角色都有自己的准备和他们必须做的怪癖????WDYM 将时间投入到 Boss 身上????网需要 1 根绳子和 2 个 sils 和 1 根棍子，捕捉 20 只蝴蝶（或自己制作哀悼荣耀）不需要什么，你也可以捕捉它们并将它们放在你的库存中以备不时之需，你也可以不使用 20，因为 20 对增益的持续时间来说是多余的，我不知道你就是一点都没意义

You two can do a race. He directly fights the boss. You start the battle soon as you get enough butterflies and elixirs. Let's see who cost the least time. 

[WenericMember]

9 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

So walking around map looking for bee hives doesnt count? Walking around looking for graves doesnt count? Beehive just naturally spawn at where you are and have 20 bees ready for you? Cuz as far as i know each hive only have 6 bees.
One flower just naturally spawn 20 butterflies for you? Even in winter?

You sure tested it, but do you even play the game to know those things take unpredictable amount of time?

Wendy needs to find bees anyway for mortis and a few other things, doubly so if you want to kill bq first.

[HowlVoid]

12 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

So walking around map looking for bee hives doesnt count? Walking around looking for graves doesnt count? Beehive just naturally spawn at where you are and have 20 bees ready for you? Cuz as far as i know each hive only have 6 bees.
One flower just naturally spawn 20 butterflies for you? Even in winter?

You sure tested it, but do you even play the game to know those things take unpredictable amount of time?

As wormwood i caught bees all the time and you can spawn 20 bees at at camp incredibly easily.

6 hives with a fling-o in the middle, torch the hives and all the bees will be frozen and easy to catch. Takes about a minute to catch 20 bees if not seconds. 

I'm getting so tired of the "do you even play this game" insult, it proves nothing.

[Tranoze]

Just now, HowlVoid said:

As wormwood i caught bees all the time and you can spawn 20 bees at at camp incredibly easily.

6 hives with a fling-o I'm the middle, torch the hives and all the bees will be frozen and easy to catch. Takes about a minute to catch 20 bees if not seconds. 

I'm getting so tired of the "do you even play this game" insult, it proves nothing.

i dont even try to build bee hives near base because how much lag they caused the entire server each time day come. Maybe solo world is different that you dont have to care about server loading 10 people at the same time.

[layangan putus]

1 minute ago, HowlVoid said:

6 hives with a fling-o I'm the middle, torch the hives and all the bees will be frozen and easy to catch. Takes about a minute to catch 20 bees if not seconds. 

Ah the classic, I hope new players can figure this out. 

[Tarnishedmax]

3 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

So walking around map looking for bee hives doesnt count? Walking around looking for graves doesnt count? Beehive just naturally spawn at where you are and have 20 bees ready for you? Cuz as far as i know each hive only have 6 bees.
One flower just naturally spawn 20 butterflies for you? Even in winter?

You sure tested it, but do you even play the game to know those things take unpredictable amount of time?

Dude... this is post rifts... do you not have bee boxes by then? do you not know where your graveyard is by then? why do you talk like we are fighting this bosses day 1, these 3 bosses are post rifts, bearger comes in autumn, autumn has butterflies, Varg can be spawned whenever you want so you have all the time in the world to catch some bees/butterflies, deerclops is the only one that cant but you could just like, punch a bee hive and thats it... Wendy can also move graveyards to her location of choice to farm mourning glories daily and quickly, have you like actually played or thought about it for more than a second or are you just like talking for the sake of talking, because you are seriously not making sense, and before you say anything Wendy benefits from having bee boxes, she can farm her nightshade and vigor mortis like this, it seriously seems like you dont really play anyone but Wilson.

[Tranoze]

5 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

I'm getting so tired of the "do you even play this game" insult, it proves nothing.

He did this to me first.

2 minutes ago, Tarnishedmax said:

Dude... this is post rifts... do you not have bee boxes by then? do you not know where your graveyard is by then? why do you talk like we are fighting this bosses day 1, these 3 bosses are post rifts, bearger comes in autumn, autumn has butterflies, Varg can be spawned whenever you want so you have all the time in the world to catch some bees/butterflies, deerclops is the only one that cant but you could just like, punch a bee hive and thats it... Wendy can also move graveyards to her location of choice to farm mourning glories daily and quickly, have you like actually played or thought about it for more than a second or are you just like talking for the sake of talking, because you are seriously not making sense, and before you say anything Wendy benefits from having bee boxes, she can farm her nightshade and vigor mortis like this, it seriously seems like you dont really play anyone but Wilson.

We reach post rift by day 16 every world, so no, base are not even half way done. And in public world there are people who join late and rift already open with you trying to get rift materials to get rift gears...

[HowlVoid]

8 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

i dont even try to build bee hives near base because how much lag they caused the entire server each time day come. Maybe solo world is different that you dont have to care about server loading 10 people at the same time.

You can build it on the other side of a wormhole, a few screens away and maybe even underground.

7 minutes ago, DST enjoyer said:

Ah the classic, I hope new players can figure this out. 

Its a very common technique for collecting honey actually. So the bees don't sting you and has been around since single player. Catching the bees easily is a byproduct.

Edit: Sorry I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not. I'm not good at catching sarcasm.

[Lee Sy]

37 minutes ago, aidankocherhans said:

Then why were none of these people happy when the added the flower crown? it doesn't matter how interesting they make the tree, y'all will still be angry.

Wendy already had a lot going on before the skill tree: elixirs, pipspooks, the sisturn, plus Abby herself. This is the kind of stuff that would've been added to the skill tree if it didn't already exist, like how fire spells were added to Willow because she didn't have enough going on

Pure look things, not a pretty wreath with some useless effects.

And I don't like elixirs system as well as Wigfrid's song. My partners and I never use them intentionally, it's kind of waste slots.

[IAmAFurrz]

i want her to have the ability to reposition abi WITHOUT a stupid animation, makes her a LOT more proactive than just using abi on things shes good at and not at all on any of the bosses with aoe

[WenericMember]

5 minutes ago, DST enjoyer said:

Ah the classic, I hope new players can figure this out. 

The new players that have defeated AF as to get the skill this discussion centres around? Im sure they can figure it out.

[Tranoze]

Just now, HowlVoid said:

You can build it on the other side of a wormhole, a few screens away and maybe even underground.

 

Im not saying it hard to collect 20 bees, im saying it will take unpredictable amount of time, maybe because it winter that you need to set hive on fire, and you have to prepare fire extinguise...
Ofcourse if you familiar with the world, and have every farm ready, it will take less, but you cant tell me it will always take 1 mins to do those thing in all circumstances.

Even boss fight that showed take 2 mins, people might have fight it like 10 times and take the shortest video, because it better it look, and ignore the 9 runs it goes wrong.

[WenericMember]

Just now, IAmAFurrz said:

i want her to have the ability to reposition abi WITHOUT a stupid animation, makes her a LOT more proactive than just using abi on things shes good at and not at all on any of the bosses with aoe

Yes!!! Just... this!!! She does have the ability to getbAbby to dodge attacks, its just really weak right now and its bringing dow. The whole tree so badly.

[Peasant]

22 minutes ago, Tarnishedmax said:

Wendy skill tree provides infinite healing for both you and your sister while also giving you infinite night vision, i know sacrificing a head slot is not ideal but when you are on a beefalo its genuinely free night vision which is incredibly cool to me, you can also share this with your friend!! Wendy being an alcoholic was not on my expected list, you can generate around 20 mourning glories per day thanks to the perks which just means basically unlimited elixirs, Wendy can move graveyards to put pipspooks wherever she wants making this resource even MORE accesible, she can decorate graves to make automated farms with the bigspooks or just full moons, she can command her sister to stunlock ANY mob that is not a boss, the scare command cooldown is shorter than the panic effect itself, you can quite literally stunlock any mob you want free of charge, attack command just gives her a range attack and a way to kite with Abigail, you can haunt with Abigail which has a LOT of beneficial effects (treeguards, mushrooms, werepigs, sanity farm with a beequeen crown)

Her shadow side gives her all the damage she could EVER need and lunar side gives you the safety.

I seriously don´t know what else do you want, Wendy has so many perks and quirks you can take advantage off and you guys are still asking for it while Walter is over here without a SINGLE boy scout perk.

Do i think she needs some tweaks? obviously, like making reviving butterflies cost 1 mourning glory, buffing gestalt Abigail, give more of a reason to decorate graves and make the sisturn thing better but overall she has SO much going on and yall lowkey being greedy at this point.

I don't know how to put this to you...As I said above, "Make Abigail got better survival chance when fighting an aoe boss, that's basically all is needed." And currently there seems only one perk is actually solving this issue, and it's nerfed.

The rest, though providing certain improvements, are not, shall we say, that urgently needed. Scare for example, it simply makes Wendy more excel at what she already excels. Moving graves is new, yet offers little beside providing more mourning glory, which is kinda already solved by the pipspook perk. Potion crown is interesting, but the effects are of little use, and they're gone once you took the crown off. For the commands, charge and haunt is most useful, others are not that useful.

As for shadow Abigail...It simply made the numbers bigger, making Wendy almost crashing enemies pre-rift, and Abigail would still die in the hands...claws of armored bearger within three blows. The shadow perks are like Wolfgang skilltree, powerful? Yes, but it's boring.

[Tranoze]

1 minute ago, WenericMember said:

The new players that have defeated AF as to get the skill this discussion centres around? Im sure they can figure it out.

Not everyone play alone, there are people who play together and there different skill gap between them, with the more skillful killed afw and the less skill one just trying to survive.

[WenericMember]

2 minutes ago, Lee Sy said:

Pure look things, not a pretty wreath with some useless effects.

And I don't like elixirs system as well as Wigfrid's song. My partners and I never use them intentionally, it's kind of waste slots.

Thats fine, but the tree shouldnt be balanced around someone not using a significant portion of Abbys depth. 

[Peasant]

22 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

That doesnt make any degree of sense, vecause both Wendy and Wolfgangs give substantial damage buffs. There is no minus damage.

Why are you still focusing on damage...The first fellow's point wasn't on damage at all...He meant that, current skilltree has not much useful stuff, not that it has no damage...

[WenericMember]

2 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Not everyone play alone, there are people who play together and there different skill gap between them, with the more skillful killed afw and the less skill one just trying to survive.

Yeah, but that shouldnt particularly be   the focus on balance. Like if some newbies enable rifts  by altering worldgen, saying theyre too hard is kind of... well yeah, the content wasnt meant for you yet.

[Tranoze]

2 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Thats fine, but the tree shouldnt be balanced around someone not using a significant portion of Abbys depth. 

I did ask the community earlier about if they use potions as wendy, and half of them dont use potions, and half use potions regularly.
So it just not someone, i will assume half Wendy player dont like potions, but my poll size too small to reflect this.

[Tarnishedmax]

9 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

We reach post rift by day 16 every world, so no, base are not even half way done. And in public world there are people who join late and rift already open with you trying to get rift materials to get rift gears...

Oh my god could you at least have given some context first, of course all these buffs are not worth it when you are 10 PEOPLE, i play this game with a lot of friends and we are usually 6 and genuinely not a single thing matters for a boss fight because 6-10 people can just kill bosses in mere seconds, whenever people discuss about these sort of things we usually refer to playing solo or with at most 4 people in which makes wasting the extra time on buffs worthwhile, but 10 people? hell no nothing matters by then, every single boss is gonna die in 10 seconds with that many players, sorry for being mean i just thought you meant it not being worthwhile in a solo world, this is more of an issue of the game itself really, nothing can really survive 10 Wilsons with hambats lol.

[HowlVoid]

10 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Im not saying it hard to collect 20 bees, im saying it will take unpredictable amount of time, maybe because it winter that you need to set hive on fire, and you have to prepare fire extinguise...
Ofcourse if you familiar with the world, and have every farm ready, it will take less, but you cant tell me it will always take 1 mins to do those thing in all circumstances.

I'm confused, it doesn't take any hoop jumping to turn on the fling-o and pick up a torch? 

And this is an endgame boss, at least the one in the video example.

I can go to my honey farm and collect 20 bees in a minute in all circumstances. There arnt any variables that change when walking to a pre-established farm...

10 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Even boss fight that showed take 2 mins, people might have fight it like 10 times and take the shortest video, because it better it look, and ignore the 9 runs it goes wrong.

I belive that's called practice, if a fight requires practice then that means it's engaging. That's not a bad thing. I would hope an endgame fight takes more than one attempt lol

[Siren11]

30 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

I am still curious about the and more part because these personally do not seem very useful to me.

Werepigs are a major one for me. I’m also planning to make an “infinite” meat/pigskin farm by using one of the guardian pig setpieces.

Some people have also figured out some interesting ways to use staffs. It may not be particularly useful, but it’s something. And I might actually trust my friends with star caller’s staffs now that I can put a badly placed dwarf star out.

[Lee Sy]

2 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Thats fine, but the tree shouldnt be balanced around someone not using a significant portion of Abbys depth. 

Don't like doesn't mean don't know or never experience. Without the new container in beta, who will carry all kinds of potions for a long time adventure?

[WenericMember]

Just now, YXukun said:

Why are you still focusing on damage...The first fellow's point wasn't on damage at all...He meant that, current skilltree has not much useful stuff, not that it has no damage...

Considering like 3 separate people have made the exact same mistake. Id say its poorly worded. That was all I said.

1 minute ago, Lee Sy said:

Don't like doesn't mean don't know or never experience. Without the new container in beta, who will carry all kinds of potions for a long time adventure?

Maybe I misunderstood you, but I thought you were saying that Abigail didnt have enough mechanical depth, which Id take issue with if you thought she needed more.

Between team spirit, potions, alignment and a few other misc skills Abby has more than enough going on imo.

Its hard to keep track, there like 3 conversations in this thread lol.