Stupid question... But what does everyone actually want with wendy

[Tranoze]

2 minutes ago, Tarnishedmax said:

you meant it not being worthwhile in a solo world.

I mean it not worthwhile in a solo fight. Ofcourse if you already spend days building beehives, or have your friends building them for you, which still take them days, it fair to have 20 bees ready in 1 mins.
But if not and it take 2~4 mins to catch bees, the damage buff for a short duration doesnt cut it.

In gang fight, i have no idea, does the vex buff from potions buff friends damage too?

[Tarnishedmax]

3 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

I belive that's called practice, if a fight requires practice then that means it's engaging. That's not a bad thing. I would hope and endgame fight takes more than one attempt lol

yeah the fact that Wendy is genuinely engaging and needs some effort to be played makes her one of my favorites, im not really insane at the game because i didnt really practice ant of the bosses in those videos, i did fight them a couple times before recording them just so i can get a feel but i would rather not do a perfect run because it shows a more natural way of using your buffs and how to fight compared to an Ameslarii video in which literally EVERYTHING is perfect.

The bosses are fun and fighting as Wendy is fun because its really engaging and i couldnt really ask for more out of this game, specially when Maxwell exists 

[WenericMember]

5 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

I did ask the community earlier about if they use potions as wendy, and half of them dont use potions, and half use potions regularly.
So it just not someone, i will assume half Wendy player dont like potions, but my poll size too small to reflect this.

Thats fair enough, but they do provide a significant portion of Abbys strength and survivability, which is maybe where the disparity of her overall strength also stems from. Probably worth investigating more.

Would make sense as people are also calling pipspook skills unrelated to Abigail.

[Peasant]

1 minute ago, WenericMember said:

Would make sense as people are also calling pipspook skills unrelated to Abigail.

I don't think he meant "unrelated" either...

The fellow simply meant "not useful", and nothing else...

[Tarnishedmax]

Just now, Tranoze said:

I mean it not worthwhile in a solo fight. Ofcourse if you already spend days building beehives, or have your friends building them for you, which still take them days, it fair to have 20 bees ready in 1 mins.
But if not and it take 2~4 mins to catch bees, the damage buff for a short duration doesnt cut it.

In gang fight, i have no idea, does the vex buff from potions buff friends damage too?

THE GAME IS NOT ABOUT FIGHTING BOSSES!!!!!!!!! Im setting up beehives for food and because i like decorating and having fun, Im not going to consider making bee boxes a waste when i use them since the day i got them till the end of the world, the amount of time i save just for building bee boxes is insane and more than makes up for it on the long run.

If you want a character thats about speedrunning play Wortox but im playing Wendy because i want to relax and have fun.

Also yes Abigail vex buffs other players. The vex potion costs 1 pure horror which is quite literally nothing and you usually craft more than one with a skill.

[Tranoze]

1 minute ago, Tarnishedmax said:

fight compared to an Ameslarii video in which literally EVERYTHING is perfect.

The reason i nickpick on your post is because post like that without context showed that Wendy can kill all bosses under 2 mins just make klei give more unnecessary nerf to Wendy, just like how they overnerfed Gesatl abi instead of changing its core.

[Tarnishedmax]

Just now, Tranoze said:

The reason i nickpick on your post is because post like that without context showed that Wendy can kill all bosses under 2 mins just make klei give more unnecessary nerf to Wendy, just like how they overnerfed Gesatl abi instead of changing its core.

The reason im posting these is to show that Wendy is doing perfectly fine and doesnt need to be nerfed or buffed, a lot of fans just want her to be buffed to heaven and its getting to a point where she is going to become like Maxwell and just be so good it becomes boring, i do not want her nerfed, i want people to realize that calling her "weak" is just plain false.

[WenericMember]

Just now, Tranoze said:

The reason i nickpick on your post is because post like that without context showed that Wendy can kill all bosses under 2 mins just make klei give more unnecessary nerf to Wendy, just like how they overnerfed Gesatl abi instead of changing its core.

If they buff abbys damage slightly, along with her circling radius shes fine imo. The only issue rn is that she gets hit by stray attacks in her endlag too much. If they dont rebuff her by the end of this week the fair enough, but give Klei a chance to fine tune Gesalt Abbys balance.

[Arcwell]

12 minutes ago, Siren11 said:

Werepigs are a major one for me. I’m also planning to make an “infinite” meat/pigskin farm by using one of the guardian pig setpieces.

Some people have also figured out some interesting ways to use staffs. It may not be particularly useful, but it’s something. And I might actually trust my friends with star caller’s staffs now that I can put a badly placed dwarf star out.

Have you tried this? It's a 25% chance to turn a pigguard into a werepig, and they *will* counterattack Abigail for trying it. I think moonstorms / moonbook + spamming pig houses is still your best bet for a pigskin farm.

Putting out dwarf stars is neat tho, I did not know that one c:

[HowlVoid]

2 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Thats fair enough, but they do provide a significant portion of Abbys strength and survivability, which is maybe where the disparity of her overall strength also stems from. Probably worth investigating more.

Would make sense as people are also calling pipspook skills unrelated to Abigail.

Omg you're right this is clicking a few things for me. 

In a few monster hunter games I've played people were complaining that the games were too difficult while completely ignoring key mechanics in the game like collecting small stat buffs around the map.

Is this what's causing the desperarity between Wendy players???

A lot of them seem to really like collecting skins for her or something. Makes sense why some people want Abigail to be able to kill bosses solo or why they think Abigail is built like wet paper. 

[Lee Sy]

1 minute ago, WenericMember said:

Thats fair enough, but they do provide a significant portion of Abbys strength and survivability, which is maybe where the disparity of her overall strength also stems from. Probably worth investigating more.

Would make sense as people are also calling pipspook skills unrelated to Abigail.

Don't like potion and Wigfrid's song anyway. Collect materials, craft potion or song, use it just for a time-limited effect, even can't work together if you drink two. All kinds of different items occupy your slots, more trouble than buff.

[Tranoze]

3 minutes ago, Tarnishedmax said:

doesnt need to be nerfed or buffed

I blame your title for this, if you can, change it to something more neutral.

[WenericMember]

2 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Omg you're right this is clicking a few things for me. 

In a few monster hunter games I've played people were complaining that the games were too difficult while completely ignoring key mechanics in the game like collecting small stat buffs around the map.

Is this what's causing the desperarity between Wendy players???

A lot of them seem to really like collecting skins for her or something. Makes sense why some people want Abigail to be able to kill bosses solo or why they think Abigail is built like wet paper. 

 

2 minutes ago, Lee Sy said:

Don't like potion and Wigfrid's song anyway. Collect materials, craft potion or song, use it just for a time-limited effect, even can't work together if you drink two. All kinds of different items occupy your slots, more trouble than buff.

We have our answer lol

[Tarnishedmax]

1 hour ago, DST enjoyer said:

Ya exactly like this just like I tested, good demonstrations to showcase how strong shadow Abi could be now in post-rift situation if you have knowledge to deal with such bosses. Although, the current Abi before unlocking shadow version for pre-rift situation would be having relatively bad time against DF, Klaus, Shadow Pieces, CC but still doable & you can easily kill AFW first to unlock shadow Abi (effective before fighting CC) then proceed to kill other optional bosses for extra dps, thus shorter time to fight. The fun part of keeping Abi alive is when fighting Shadow Pieces without lunar/shadow power. 

The thing is, if you have already killed either of the bosses with ANY other character you unlock the alignments day 1 for everyone, so its going to be very common for players to be using her alignment stuff day one, and second thing is that thanks to Nightmare Werepig you can get and farm these potions before even killing AFW!!!! you could obtain this damage and power relatively safe early game if you know what you are doing (˶◜ᵕ◝˶)

[Lee lol]

1 minute ago, HowlVoid said:

Omg you're right this is clicking a few things for me. 

In a few monster hunter games I've played people were complaining that the games were too difficult while completely ignoring key mechanics in the game like collecting small stat buffs around the map.

Is this what's causing the desperarity between Wendy players???

A lot of them seem to really like collecting skins for her or something. Makes sense why some people want Abigail to be able to kill bosses solo or why they think Abigail is built like wet paper. 

Don't be stereotyped. First, Wendy players like to let Abigal solo boss, and now Wendy players like to buy skins but don't collect potions? All of these are unfounded accusations. We have been saying that we just want Wendy and Abigail to fight together, but Gesstal can't do it well now, and her survivability has been weakened too much.

[Arcwell]

Just now, Fitzee said:

In my suggestion post, I did include the possibility of increasing the RNG chances for Haunt, potentially to 100%; I feel like it'd be fair since it's a tier-3 skill, and the haunt mechanic is rather niche by nature. 

For what it's worth I agree, a lot of the reason why I question haunt's usefulness is because of those low chances for haunt effects to occur, especially when combined with the 4 second haunt cooldown. Cuts into the effectiveness if you need to waste time on it (I also don't like Blessed Sisturn IV for this reason, but that's another story).

Some haunts are already guaranteed tho, which is very nice.

[WenericMember]

3 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

Don't be stereotyped. First, Wendy players like to let Abigal solo boss, and now Wendy players like to buy skins but don't collect potions? All of these are unfounded accusations. We have been saying that we just want Wendy and Abigail to fight together, but Gesstal can't do it well now, and her survivability has been weakened too much.

@Tranoze could source the poll please, but there is data to support the idea that a large number of people dont use potions.  Such as @Lee Sy, who anecodtally says they and their friends dont use them.

[Tarnishedmax]

1 minute ago, Fitzee said:

In my suggestion post, I did include the possibility of increasing the RNG chances for Haunt, potentially to 100%; I feel like it'd be fair since it's a tier-3 skill, and the haunt mechanic is rather niche by nature. 

I LOVE THIS IDEA, i feel like the RNG from regular hunts being rare is fine because like, what else are you gonna be using your time for when you are dead, but with Abigail haunting stuff you actually have things to do, meaning that the RNG just becomes plain annoying.

[WenericMember]

Just now, Arcwell said:

For what it's worth I agree, a lot of the reason why I question haunt's usefulness is because of those low chances for haunt effects to occur, especially when combined with the 4 second haunt cooldown. Cuts into the effectiveness if you need to waste time on it (I also don't like Blessed Sisturn IV for this reason, but that's another story).

Some haunts are already guaranteed tho, which is very nice.

They did say they would consider buffs to rng in the dev stream. I think a good number of us are just assuming those buffs are coming.

[Lee lol]

1 minute ago, Lee lol said:

Don't be stereotyped. First, Wendy players like to let Abigal solo boss, and now Wendy players like to buy skins but don't collect potions? All of these are unfounded accusations. We have been saying that we just want Wendy and Abigail to fight together, but Gesstal can't do it well now, and her survivability has been weakened too much.

In fact, the bosses that can be killed can be killed without medicine, and Abi basically won't be injured, such as dragon fly; bosses that are not easy to kill, even if you give Abi full of medicine, she is still easy to die, such as lunar bear (specifically referring to the gesta). It is wrong to think that Wendy players don't know how to use the potion. We know exactly when to use the potion.

[layangan putus]

3 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

In my suggestion post, I did include the possibility of increasing the RNG chances for Haunt, potentially to 100%; I feel like it'd be fair since it's a tier-3 skill, and the haunt mechanic is rather niche by nature. 

I could get free ham bat without losing 4 MM? DEAL!

[Xplan]

Just now, Tarnishedmax said:

我发布这些的原因是为了表明温迪做得很好，不需要被削弱或增强，很多粉丝只是希望她被增强到天堂，它到了她会变得像麦克斯韦一样的地步，变得如此优秀以至于变得无聊， 我不希望她被削弱，我想让人们意识到称她为“弱者”完全是错误的。

You may be a master of Wendy. I guess you think the situation is still acceptable. You can proudly speak out that even Klei continue to nerf Wendy, you can still handle all the problems. However, for most of the Wendy Player, the first thing before fighting a boss is unsummon Abi, cause it's impossible for them to protect Abi while fighting. Beefalo can no longer help Wendy since there are so many knockbacks. Once she gets hit and falls of the beefalo, the hilarious scene will show up: Save Abi? Save beefalo? Or save Player itself if they are not wearing a helmet?

[Tranoze]

2 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

@Tranoze could source the poll please, but there is data to support the idea that a large number of people dont use potions.  Such as @Lee Sy, who anecodtally says they and their friends dont use them.

It was 2 weeks ago, might as well make a new poll cuz noone comment on my poll.

[WenericMember]

1 minute ago, Lee lol said:

In fact, the bosses that can be killed can be killed without medicine, and Abi basically won't be injured, such as dragon fly; bosses that are not easy to kill, even if you give Abi full of medicine, she is still easy to die, such as lunar bear (specifically referring to the gesta). It is wrong to think that Wendy players don't know how to use the potion. We know exactly when to use the potion.

Again, a good portion at least doesnt use potions, two, bad machups are inevitable in the context of followers.

[Wendigail]

17 minutes ago, Tarnishedmax said:

context first, of course all these buffs are not worth it when you are 10 PEOPLE

31 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

We reach post rift by day 16 every world,

Usually, unless it is specifically marked as a slow-paced on server title, Chinese players usually progress very quickly, even with only two to three players. Because the number of Chinese people is too large, there are billions practices, they have the optimal solution to clear the game thanks for internet-develpment.

I'm not a fan of "fast food", I don't like Shadow Line purely adding damage numbers to Abigail. 

I still hope that devs can create more interesting and novel mechanisms for Abigail as she used to be human girl, like help farming something.