Players are starting to give bad reviews!

[Catapult 2.0]

  After the last update, many players began to think that Wendy's designers were arrogant and lacked understanding of the character of Wendy, and began to give up posting suggestions on the forums.

  Players have instead started to give bad reviews for DST (there have been hundreds of more in the past two days), not only because of the dissatisfaction with Wendy's skill book, but also because of the increasing number of bugs that have been updated over the past few months, the similarly poorly designed Wigfrid skill tree, the slower frequency of updates, and the stupid frustration of the giant worm drops, all of which were ignited by Wendy's fuse

[RiceMilk]

Although I haven't posted any negative reviews on Steam, I don't think it's a problem to do so. If players don't like the new content of the game, can't they respond with negative reviews?

Or, do negative reviews have "standard" usage rules?

[Catapult 2.0]

13 minutes ago, arubaro said:

What a surprise, the same "group" of players doing the same unethical methods to obtain what they want

If they were as worried and organized for everything that trully affects their lives...

They have tried to post suggestions on the forum, but they are disappointed by the arrogance of the designers. The large-scale bad reviews are not caused by Wendy's one thing, but the long-term backlog explodes at this moment

[Catapult 2.0]

I didn't give a bad review, and I think it will have a bad reputation for the game. I have been speaking out for Walter who has low attention, but I pay attention to and reflect on this matter, hoping that every character can be well designed.

[mkemal23]

11 minutes ago, RiceMilk said:

Or, do negative reviews have "standard" usage rules?

Yes, you are right, there isn't a "standard" rule when giving good/bad reviews on steam.

But if you just say "This game sucks" or "Dev X needs to leave the team!" and mass downvote the game just beacuse your unrealistic standards aren't met with your favorite character, It's safe to say those people are just spoiled jerks.

Edit: I apologise If I sound mean, this post was about *Certain* Community that specifically targets developers.

[Jakepeng99]

Leaving bad reviews because you dont like developers boss drops for the worm seems demanding.

2 minutes ago, arubaro said:

The only arrogance were their. How were the devs arrogants? Because they dont listened to every stupid thing you and your gang posted? By not listening to topics that simply insulted them and their work without giving proper feedback???

Klei added so much of their feedback too.

 

They have listened to feedback and opened the most they have ever in  the past years. They are also adding their feedback so quickly and well.

[Hollow soul 3]

Tbh, I'm not planning on leaving a great review if the controls aren't fixed. They've had years to rework the teleport controls on controller, this is a character people are paying extra money for. What you're presenting on PC is not what you get on console. 

[salty_cookie]

Imagine looking at game reviews and you just see this. (review I found on steam)

[RiceMilk]

1 minute ago, arubaro said:

Ofc is legit to write bad reviews when you think the game doesnt deserve a good one but we all know how these kids act to harras klei and their workers when they dont get their stupid requests

Clearly they are a bunch of inmature and frustrated kids who dont respect the works of others because they never had to work. Not even want to work in the game so they ask for stupid power ups hahahah

No, I think you have a misunderstanding about them, or your judgment is too subjective.

The skill tree is a very important game content, and if the skill tree does not provide a good experience, players may easily think that the designer is perfunctory. They may lose confidence in subsequent updates.

A truly good design can win everyone's approval, even if it's not necessarily what they originally wanted. Players expect something new, something exciting, and something out of imagination. If something needs to be discussed as good or bad, it means it's not good enough.

[mkemal23]

2 minutes ago, salty_cookie said:

10 years of non-stop content filled updates and this is what the devs get the second they refuse to wendy into a anime character.

It's a shame. Especially the fact that some people started to target certain developers. No wonder klei was so silent all this time.

[Jakepeng99]

2 minutes ago, salty_cookie said:

Imagine looking at game reviews and you just see this. (review I found on steam)

I dunno what the redacted is, but i saw some players saying some vulgar things personally to the developers in this forum (deleted 7 mins later), and some just mean in general. They personally attack and blame Jason for some reason.

 

[mkemal23]

3 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

 They personally attack and blame Jason for some reason.

It's sad because jason is the most active dev in the forums lately and only reason why poeple target him because he tried to explain the idea behind her skill tree.

He should have never communicated and gave his name in first place.

[Mike23Ua]

This is hilarious.. , I WISH they’d try this crap on Xbox Live… (you can get banned for leaving false or illegitimate reviews on there) Steam needs to step up their game. 

But people also pay 20$ a month for access to online features on said platform, so they’re likely not going to want to say or do anything that bans them from access to something they pay a small fortune for.

[Jakepeng99]

6 minutes ago, mkemal23 said:

It's sad because jason is the most active dev in the forums lately and only reason why poeple target him because he tried to explain the idea behind her skill tree.

He should have never communicated and gave his name in first place.

I think jason was also the one to make the Wendy skilltree?

[renamoe]

I completely understand the frustration, and I'm not here to dismiss the negative reviews—though I'd rather call them expressions of dissatisfaction than simply "bad". Players have every right to express themselves, whether their feedback comes with detailed reasoning or not.

That said, Steam reviews can be updated, and that leaves room for improvement and reconciliation. Many of these reviews are written by players with thousands of hours in the game. If they've invested so much time into DST, it shows their deep connection to it—and their criticism comes from a place of care, not malice. Ignoring or silencing these voices wouldn't solve anything.

[_mylilsunshine_]

While this is a serious enough issue, and I empathize with the developers, please remember to refrain from being racist/discriminatory toward Chinese players/people, nor should you group the actions of individuals to represent a whole. I've been seeing and reporting some sour comments.

[RiceMilk]

17 minutes ago, mkemal23 said:

Yes, you are right, there isn't a "standard" rule when giving good/bad reviews on steam.

But if you just say "This game sucks" or "Dev X needs to leave the team!" and mass downvote the game just beacuse your unrealistic standards aren't met with your favorite character, It's safe to say those people are just spoiled jerks.

Edit: I apologise If I sound mean, this post was about *Certain* Community that specifically targets developers.

If you think the meaning of these negative reviews is that they want to make the character ooooooooooooop, then I think you misunderstood. Its difficult to explain why these comments are not just the literal meaning you see, as they involve some cultural differences.

I am also dissatisfied with Wendy's skill tree. Because I don't think it's interesting or unique enough, and it doesn't solve the problem of Wendy's performance as a combat character not being as good as characters without special combat abilities when facing the Lunar buff boss.

I don't think I have unrealistic standards. Skilled Wendy players never want Abigail to inflict a lot of damage or bear a lot of damage. They just want to fight alongside Abigail.

Fighting alongside Abigail should be Wendy's core, and Abigail should never be a burden.

[PunkShark]

Don't take these minority of people seriously. Whatever they want from Wendy is not at all within her character and themes and simply think what's best for her as if they know her. And this is not all chinese players, these are people who try to generalize their whole community as all of them that wants change to get what they want, and i assure you in no way is there billions of people that think the same like ants in a colony. These people can't and shouldn't be taken seriously when they can't even figure out what they want out of Wendy or understand her character.

[Fufuji]

Klei's forum is surely a small part of DST player communities. Klei have the access to all the information they need. Do turst that they'll see clearly what players truly want and present better update contents.

[Quadratordo]

Such behavior, you don't usually see on something like Terraria... what gives?
Validity of the message that's being pushed nonwithstanding, what matters now is Klei's answer to this kind of attack; that'll either cement this as a valid ''strategy'' to just bull the game's development whichever way the reviews push towards, or send a strong message that this kind of behavior won't lead anywhere. Not like I have stakes in the matter, but if base coercion like that proves enough, then a shift for the worse towards the community's treatment of Klei will make itself clear; after all, what good is constructive criticism if you can just review bomb and insult the devs into doing your bidding and vent out your pent up rage while you're at it?

9 minutes ago, renamoe said:

Many of these reviews are written by players with thousands of hours in the game. If they've invested so much time into DST, it shows their deep connection to it—and their criticism comes from a place of care, not malice.

In-game experience has its importance in giving one's opinion more context, but you should not forget that people are going to be biased no matter how experienced they are. If that wasn't the case, all it'd take for Klei to make the perfect update would be to round up the ''top bunch'' of players by whichever metric it'd be and exclusively listen to their input. For the record, that wouldn't work.

 

[mkemal23]

33 minutes ago, RiceMilk said:

If you think the meaning of these negative reviews is that they want to make the character ooooooooooooop, then I think you misunderstood. Its difficult to explain why these comments are not just the literal meaning you see, as they involve some cultural differences.

I am also dissatisfied with Wendy's skill tree. Because I don't think it's interesting or unique enough, and it doesn't solve the problem of Wendy's performance as a combat character not being as good as characters without special combat abilities when facing the Lunar buff boss.

I don't think I have unrealistic standards. Skilled Wendy players never want Abigail to inflict a lot of damage or bear a lot of damage. They just want to fight alongside Abigail.

Fighting alongside Abigail should be Wendy's core, and Abigail should never be a burden.

No, I also dislike Wendy's skill tree as well. If anything, I dislike every skill tree klei has ever added. They are unfair, unbalanced and bloated with cheap high damage abilities to cover up klei's poor balancing issues.

However, It doesn't matter how right I am or How popular my ideas are, If I go into forums and create a thread that specifically targets the devs, or if go give the game a negative review saying stuff like "What the hell they were thinking! I hate this skill tree!" Then I don't help the situation. 

I agree that Wendy got the short end of the stick with the flashy stuff, and its understandable why people are dissapointed. Just look what Winona and Willow got. However these people don't help the situation. Thats what I'm saying.

[Well-met]

2 minutes ago, Quadratordo said:

Such behavior, you don't usually see on something like Terraria... what gives?
 

You don't see this on other survivors either.

2 minutes ago, mkemal23 said:

I agree that Wendy got the short end of the stick

-if- that is true, then you have to consider that wendy was always very powerful since her refresh unlike most other survivors. It's only logical that her tree would be less blantantly unbalanced than the others.

[renamoe]

10 minutes ago, Quadratordo said:

In-game experience has its importance in giving one's opinion more context, but you should not forget that people are going to be biased no matter how experienced they are. If that wasn't the case, all it'd take for Klei to make the perfect update would be to round up the ''top bunch'' of players by whichever metric it'd be and exclusively listen to their input. For the record, that wouldn't work.

I understand it's not a great situation, and I'll admit I probably shouldn't have stepped in—it's easy to get caught up in such discussions. What I'm trying to say is that Steam reviews are a channel for feedback, even if some of the comments are insulting, rude, or unfairly target a specific developer who's just doing their job. I empathize deeply with the developers—they've been working hard, rolling out hotfixes every week after the beta release, and even taking the time to hold livestreams. Their efforts are remarkable and appreciated.

However, I can't deny the reality that players are frustrated, and their emotions are spilling out into reviews. It's not an ideal way to handle things, but it's also a symptom of dissatisfaction with the update—a situation that's partially caused by how the beta has been received.

That said, I truly believe the Klei team will adjust and fine-tune Wendy's skill tree. It's still a beta, and they've shown they're listening. We have to remember: they're human, not gods. Perfection is unattainable for anyone except an all-knowing, all-powerful deity. What matters is that they're working toward improvement—and I trust they'll get there.

[Fufuji]

10 minutes ago, mkemal23 said:

poor balancing issues.

Most of my friends have long lost their trust in Klei that the devs will handle the balance problems well. Combined with the fact that balance is already broken, no wonder why there are so many people simply don't care about balance and only what a powerful skilltree, and morepowerful skilltrees.

A balanced skilltree won't save DST, however an unbalanced will certainly ruin their beloved character's gameplay. 

[mkemal23]

4 minutes ago, Well-met said:

-if- that is true, then you have to consider that wendy was always very powerful since her refresh unlike most other survivors. It's only logical that her tree would be less blantantly unbalanced than the others.

That was not what I meant, Thanks for warning. I will change the original post.