Why is Wendy so popular in China?

[loopuleasa]

Honest question

Judging by the forum posts, the entirety of China seems to have a sweet spot for Wendy, so they can't settle for anything other than perfection.

Wortox and Walter get no traction, and in past beta branches we never saw these many Chinese posts.

 

Anyone has any theories that is more familiar with Chinese culture and gaming habits?

[HowlVoid]

Its because of how accessible Wendy is as a character. Larger player base -> larger number of wendy fans. As we know, the populous of China is very large.

Now, more interestingly you'll find a lot of them are displeased with being able to move the graves. Thats because messing with the dead is essentially "disgusting" and morally reprehensible behavior in their culture (And i do apologize if that is incorrect).

[Peasant]

25 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Now, more interestingly you'll find a lot of them are displeased with being able to move the graves. Thats because messing with the dead is essentially "disgusting" and morally reprehensible behavior in their culture (And i do apologize if that is incorrect).

Partly correct. In china digging up one's or his relatives' grave means an ultimate insultation and defile towards the person themself and their whole family. And it had happened in history several times before. For example Wu Zi Xu's family was slaughtered by a king, he fled to another country, helpt the king to make the country strong, and led an army to revenge. When he conquered the country the king who had kill all of WuZiXu's family was long dead, so he dug up his grave, and was said that had "struck the body for three hundred times". That was about 2500 years ago.

[Peasant]

32 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Now, more interestingly you'll find a lot of them are displeased with being able to move the graves. Thats because messing with the dead is essentially "disgusting" and morally reprehensible behavior in their culture (And i do apologize if that is incorrect).

On ther other hand, it is not the main reason why people aren't pleased, after all you can dig up graves in dst long ago, adding gravestones into them won't change much. The main reason people aren't pleased is that the skilltree failed to either solving certain problems the character faces(like woodie), nor adding much interesting stuff(like willow&winona), nor simply giving her bigger number(like wolfgang), thus makes people unpleased. Under this circumstance the gravestone moving seems rather a mock to wendy, alongside with dark petal to petal.

[Crimson Hollow]

Wendy seems to be popular everywhere, and I still don't understand why. Gameplay wise she is probably the easiest which draws ppl in, and she's kinda good looking I guess? 

[WenericMember]

3 minutes ago, Crimson Hollow said:

Wendy seems to be popular everywhere, and I still don't understand why. Gameplay wise she is probably the easiest which draws ppl in, and she's kinda good looking I guess? 

I mean its not difficult for me to see why, as you said she's easy to achieve baseline survival, Accessible AOE was for the longest time an exceptionally rare trait, she has a lot of room for skill expression, Abigail is a unique feeling of companionship in a very lonely world, amongst the original DS cast she's unique, as iirc there were two "sciency" (Wicker & Wilson), two "chaos" (Willow & WX), two "masculine" (Woodie & Wolfgang). Wendy has a uniquely reserved personality.

That's just off the top of my head.

[flamboyant wolf]

1 hour ago, HowlVoid said:

Thats because messing with the dead is essentially "disgusting" and morally reprehensible behavior in their culture 

As opposed to Canada, where this is a perfectly normal hobby to have.

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, HowlVoid said:

Its because of how accessible Wendy is as a character. Larger player base -> larger number of wendy fans. As we know, the populous of China is very large.

Now, more interestingly you'll find a lot of them are displeased with being able to move the graves. Thats because messing with the dead is essentially "disgusting" and morally reprehensible behavior in their culture (And i do apologize if that is incorrect).

I am confused… isn’t Cult of the lamb also a largely Chinese game? And well that.. it has a ton of stuff I won’t mention here despite DST being rated T for Teen.. the forums are much more family friendly E for Everyone.

But the game I mentioned above (known for much darker, more bloody humor) Is also rated T for Teen same as DST & they shared a Crossover event.

It gets blurry between the lines.. but I’m sure that if the game can have half eaten Zombiefied animal carcasses that it’s okay for Wendy to move and create Gravestones.

*shrugs*

[Blue Tangerine]

She's cute and beautiful,that's why her players and fans give her skill tree a high expectation,then when this terrible beta branch version came out,a lot of them got pissed off. 

[cropo]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

And well that.. it has a ton of stuff I won’t mention here despite DST being rated T for Teen.. the forums are much more family friendly E for Everyone.

Cult of the lamb has that information and knowledge almost immediately available with a cursory glance. The first thing you're going to learn about the game is that you can feed your followers crap and make them eat it, sacrifice them on a whim, and starve them at your leisure.

Compared to a skill tree, which suddenly added an intimate feature to mess around with graves with one of the most popular characters in China. 

[Blue Tangerine]

Despite of  the low quality of the skill tree itself, many Wendy players are dissatisfied because the skill tree Floria Shroud violates Wendy's original setting. "How can a girl who is pessimistic about the death of her twin sister be willing to let her sister's soul bear the damage for herself?" Some people even think that the skill tree does not respect Wendy's will. "If Wendy saw her skill tree herself, she would definitely borrow Willow's lighter and burn it to the ground."
The most devastated Wendy player I have seen is this guy. This poor guy changed his name from "Happy Lizard Has Rested" to "Sorrowful Lizard Has Rested" (his pet lizard died, and in memory of it, he took the former name)

[LazyMole]

The main reason is Wendy's appearance. People naturally love beautiful things. This is particularly evident among female gamers, as many of my female friends who play DST only choose Wendy and are unwilling to try other characters (including Willow and Wigfid). AB's ability can easily help beginners get started with the game, and many players who frequently use Wendy in the early stages of the game have special feelings for her. In addition, Wendy's lines are particularly poetic and philosophical after being translated into Chinese (I'm not sure if English is the same), which has attracted some people, but the excellent appearance is still the main reason.

[cropo]

3 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

"How can a girl who is pessimistic about the death of her twin sister be willing to let her sister's soul bear the damage for herself?"

A girl mourning the death of her sister one moment next, and then literally using her as muscle to screw with the local pig population was one of the great parts of Don't Starve's absurdism. These people are not nice people.

[Blue Tangerine]

3 minutes ago, cropo said:

A girl mourning the death of her sister one moment next, and then literally using her as muscle to screw with the local pig population was one of the great parts of Don't Starve's absurdism. These people are not nice people.

No,they are not,on the contrary, the only reason they think so is because they are Wendy's dearest fans and care about her feelings,view her as a living person. 

[WenericMember]

14 minutes ago, cropo said:

A girl mourning the death of her sister one moment next, and then literally using her as muscle to screw with the local pig population was one of the great parts of Don't Starve's absurdism. These people are not nice people.

That and the point is its Abigail that wants to protect Wendy- the description says Abigail was the one who taught Wendy to make it.

It's not "wendy's using abigail as a meat shield" its "Abigail and Wendy care for each other and are willing to do what they can to protect each other - Abigail can heal easily and wendy can't."

It's not out of character for Wendy because they made sure to give Abigail the primary agency in the creation of the shroud. Maybe that aspect isn't present in the chinese localization though? Not sure how that works.

[Peasant]

4 minutes ago, cropo said:

A girl mourning the death of her sister one moment next, and then literally using her as muscle to screw with the local pig population was one of the great parts of Don't Starve's absurdism. These people are not nice people.

I think there's difference between how people play and the settings of a character. Wendy has nothing to do with beefalos in her settings, yet players made beefalo her best companion. Such things is similar in Wanda, she used the ageless watch without hesitate when she turned into old in the video, yet players often choose to stay in old age to maximum their damage.

[purelove]

1 hour ago, HowlVoid said:

这是因为 Wendy 这个角色非常平易近人。更大的玩家群 - >更多的 wendy 粉丝。众所周知，中国的人口非常多。

现在，更有趣的是，你会发现他们中的很多人对能够移动坟墓感到不满。那是因为在他们的文化中，惹死者本质上是“令人作呕”和道德上应受谴责的行为（如果这是不正确的，我深表歉意）。

Oh, my God, I'm so glad you can understand us, which is amazing, because on our own platform of communication, even those who agreed to move the grave wished that the ghost could carry its own tombstone and follow Wendy, instead of Wendy doing it

[Blue Tangerine]

39 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I am confused… isn’t Cult of the lamb also a largely Chinese game? And well that.. it has a ton of stuff I won’t mention here despite DST being rated T for Teen.. the forums are much more family friendly E for Everyone.

But the game I mentioned above (known for much darker, more bloody humor) Is also rated T for Teen same as DST & they shared a Crossover event.

It gets blurry between the lines.. but I’m sure that if the game can have half eaten Zombiefied animal carcasses that it’s okay for Wendy to move and create Gravestones.

*shrugs*

Things are not what you think, there are differences between these two games.
First, Cult of the lamb itself has a strong cult style, while DST is more like "dark, cruel nature style" rather than "cult style"
Second, most of the characters in Cult of the lamb are animals, while most of the characters in DST are human (at least they are all humanoid)
Third, compared to DST, Cult of the lamb is not "that popular" in China, which is also due to its cult style background.

[Fufuji]

It is because an arguable skill tree happens to be made for a largely welcomed character, Wendy. She has been known for easy for newbies to survive for multiple years (until FB arc).

Actually there were a large number of feedback from china too during Wigfrid skill tree beta. We had failed to save her skill tree though.

[purelove]

9 minutes ago, purelove said:

Oh, my God, I'm so glad you can understand us, which is amazing, because on our own platform of communication, even those who agreed to move the grave wished that the ghost could carry its own tombstone and follow Wendy, instead of Wendy doing it

In ancient China, rich people who died would bury most of their property together with themselves. However, there was a shortage of gold in China for a period of time, because a large amount of gold was used as funerary goods. However, tomb robbers with the acquiescence of the imperial court, even though they secretly obtained funerary goods, did not dare to deliberately destroy bones and coffins, but were careful. Worried about offending the spirits of the dead, and these people often live their whole lives like the executioners

[Blue Tangerine]

59 minutes ago, flamboyant wolf said:

As opposed to Canada, where this is a perfectly normal hobby to have.

At this point, I believe that it is more because of cultural differences. In Chinese culture, "digging graves" is a very offensive behavior. I will give the following allusion as an example. During the Spring and Autumn Period, the King of Chu killed Wu Zixu's father and brother. When Wu Zixu finally led his army to break through the capital of Chu and wanted to kill the King of Chu for revenge, the King of Chu had already died of illness, so he dug up the King's grave and whipped the King's dead body. On the Chinese Internet today, there is still a popular phrase "dancing disco on someone's grave" to describe some extremely insulting and provocative behaviors. In fact, the dissatisfaction with the grave-related skill tree is mainly due to the "digging" action itself, which is regarded as a destruction of the grave and disrespect for the dead. I suppose it might be more acceptable to change it to transplanting the graves in more magical and romantic ways.

[WenericMember]

Trying to be respectful, but there are a couple of things i'm curious about. Firstly, graverobbing and destroying corpses is already a mechanic in DS, so I don't see how things with dubious respect for the dead is uncharted territory.

Secondly, while I understand what Wendy does while moving graves is disrespectful in Chinese culture, is there any particular reason why an American Child created by a Canadian studio should follow Chinese culture? How to care for the dead has many different interpretations across many different parts of the world, none are absolute.

Not meaning this to be rude, but when I see games with cultural elements I'm unfamiliar with, I usually just understand that it was made by someone different to me and move on.

[LazyMole]

6 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Trying to be respectful, but there are a couple of things i'm curious about. Firstly, graverobbing and destroying corpses is already a mechanic in DS, so I don't see how things with dubious respect for the dead is uncharted territory.

Secondly, while I understand what Wendy does while moving graves is disrespectful in Chinese culture, is there any particular reason why an American Child created by a Canadian studio should follow Chinese culture?

Not meaning this to be rude, but when I see games with cultural elements I'm unfamiliar with, I usually just understand that it was made by someone different to me and move on.

I agree with you. Many Chinese also don't understand why Klei made concessions to Jewish culture last year.Besides, we don't pay too much attention to graves. Many people dig graves to collect necessary gems (Wanda)

[Peasant]

7 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Trying to be respectful, but there are a couple of things i'm curious about. Firstly, graverobbing and destroying corpses is already a mechanic in DS, so I don't see how things with dubious respect for the dead is uncharted territory.

Secondly, while I understand what Wendy does while moving graves is disrespectful in Chinese culture, is there any particular reason why an American Child created by a Canadian studio should follow Chinese culture?

Not meaning this to be rude, but when I see games with cultural elements I'm unfamiliar with, I usually just understand that it was made by someone different to me and move on.

The culture stuff is never a main reason, we do dig graves to get gems/toys. It's just that with her skilltree providing little valuable contents to do things I mentioned above, the grave removing looks rather almost a mock to the character, and the dark petal to petal skill too.

[Blue Tangerine]

13 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Trying to be respectful, but there are a couple of things i'm curious about. Firstly, graverobbing and destroying corpses is already a mechanic in DS, so I don't see how things with dubious respect for the dead is uncharted territory.

Secondly, while I understand what Wendy does while moving graves is disrespectful in Chinese culture, is there any particular reason why an American Child created by a Canadian studio should follow Chinese culture? How to care for the dead has many different interpretations across many different parts of the world, none are absolute.

Not meaning this to be rude, but when I see games with cultural elements I'm unfamiliar with, I usually just understand that it was made by someone different to me and move on.

I suppose you are trying to reply me. First of all, I am not saying "Canadian companies must abide by the rules of Chinese culture" but want to explain "why some players are dissatisfied with grave-related skills". Secondly, the original "digging graves" is actually more like "grave robbing", not digging up the tombstones together like now. Personally, I think it is better to handle "grave transplantation" in a more romantic and magical way.