Please calm down about wendy.

[HellHeater]

Wendy skill tree was taken incredibly negatively and I don't think I haven't seen anyone actually like it unlike the wolfgang rework. It is virtually impossible for klei to not completely redo her skill tree after this intense negative backlash. There is no need to make more hate posts because they definitely got the message.

[PunkShark]

I am just really confused with the backlash. Wendy was already a pretty solid character, she had issues sure, but i thought the skill tree is in the right direction of that?
One thing i've almost never see anyone do is actually put petals inside the sisturn, cause getting petals can be quite tedious after a while without having to explore or take flowers outside of your comfortable base. the purification perk helps with that once you have settled your own adorned graveyards. To me it makes perfect sense why she got what she did. petals and evil petals are useful for Wendy.

Pipspooks hunting was incredibly tedious, so her being able to relocate graves which includes pipspooks, making the task a lot shorter and more worth it made perfect sense as well?

Is it perfect? No, there's still some perks that could use some tweaks but i could not see why it needs a redo as a whole. Maybe i'm just missing something here... I'm not a Wendy main so perhaps i'm just not seeing the bigger picture.
 

[Mr Giggio]

10 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

I am just really confused with the backlash

It speak volumes about Wendy fanbase. Also the amount of people showing up just for this scenario. People saying shes not strong when shes hitting 123 with Void set versus Crab King. Im as lost as you.

[HellHeater]

23 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

I am j

Lets see, Wilson got a t- he doesn't count.

Willow became a firebender (cool- um I mean hot as hell)

Wolfgang became Popeye (with rocks instead of spinach)

Woodie is now... every character at once.

Wigfrid is now an actual warrior with sick weapons and playstyle

Winona became what she always should have been- J. Winona Oppenheimer

Wormwood- okay I never played his skill tree (as if I ever played him normally lol)  I have no idea but people seem to love it sooo

AVENGERS ASSEMBLE 

So yeah, Wendy got the most uninteresting skill tree by far, even beating Wilson and that's saying something. Klei did her so wrong. To be fair, this update was totally incomplete and It's not really fair to compare her against completed updates. I'm just here to explain.

[Mr Giggio]

14 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

To me it makes perfect sense why she got what she did.

Also I cant avoid to think some people are being spoiled about it. Like even getting her own devs graveyard to personal pig farm in full moon where she wants. It has strong stuff neat enough to make it worth but people just scream for more.

[Mike23Ua]

4 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

I am just really confused with the backlash. Wendy was already a pretty solid character, she had issues sure, but i thought the skill tree is in the right direction of that?
One thing i've almost never see anyone do is actually put petals inside the sisturn, cause getting petals can be quite tedious after a while without having to explore or take flowers outside of your comfortable base. the purification perk helps with that once you have settled your own adorned graveyards. To me it makes perfect sense why she got what she did. petals and evil petals are useful for Wendy.

Pipspooks hunting was incredibly tedious, so her being able to relocate graves which includes pipspooks, making the task a lot shorter and more worth it made perfect sense as well?

Is it perfect? No, there's still some perks that could use some tweaks but i could not see why it needs a redo as a whole. Maybe i'm just missing something here...
 

The answer to this is quite easy.. you only need to look at every other skill tree (including Wilson’s which most people see as a Joke) to see why the majority of people aren’t happy with Wendy’s Skill Tree.

I will do my best to explain, Wilson the skill tree most people say is the most boring skill tree of them all right? Got something NEW in the form of Beard hair food storage, which while on paper might not sound like much… does at least disguise the smell of meat he is carrying on him so rabbits don’t murder him to death on sight.

This was something NEW that added to the Character.. and every character got this in some form or another, Wigfrid can spear dash across gaps, sing songs to revive the dead etc..

Winona got extremely useful Heated spotlights which serve as both a light source and a source for warmth in Winter, AND it can be picked up and relocated, that isn’t even touching her other perks.. like being able to freely teleport between wormholes with no cost, and the ability to refill her generators with the easy to obtain Nightmare fuel.

Dont even get me started on Wormwood, people hated his first skill tree presentation too and fans raged till the got a jumbled mess of “choose what you want”

But Wendy’s skill tree: Double Duration of potions which can only be used one at a time and when a new one is applied replaces the other, a weird dark petals to regular petals conversion method which no Wendy player will ever actually need to use at any given point of the game..

I can’t play in betas so I don’t fully understand what all her skills do, but from the information I can gather: Shorter or Longer Pipspook Quests which only serve to yield Mourning Glory resource for those very same potions that see little actual use.

Even Woodie got new Semi-Useful things in his skill tree with free walking canes and helmets made of wood, and the health regeneration in Weremoose form.

[Mr Giggio]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

you only need to look at every other skill tree

Its not fair by a ton of reasons.

Weak characters need more buffs

Already strong characters dont need as many

Woodie WAS A JOKE before Skill trees. Willow was by far not important around fire mechanics being the pyromancer. They got buffed to gods cuz they needed to. Saying Wendy needs the same to me is baffling.

[HellHeater]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

skil

Beat you to it 

Spoiler

i accidentally placed this why cant i remove it anyway lets not let it go to waste:

im straight

[kroban]

11 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

But Wendy’s skill tree: Double Duration of potions which can only be used one at a time and when a new one is applied replaces the other, a weird dark petals to regular petals conversion method which no Wendy player will ever actually need to use at any given point of the game..

She does have something new, the petal dress, it transfers all damage taken from Wendy to Abigail, if you wear head armor of course abi takes even less dmg, and you can heal her by just eating food. It even has some buggy mechanics like, you can use petal dress + leave Abigail near a sisturn gaining constant hp regen due to the "more hp pool" perk, and Wendy becomes this weirdly tanky character.

I agree tho in that half her skill tree is boring, the entire "potions last longer" branch is so useless considering its only for some potions and that you can craft as many potions as you want now that you can relocate tombs and pipspooks give you more mourning glory

[Mysterious box]

5 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Wolfgang became Popeye

His skill was just bad if you look at it in any way that isn't the character known for his strength wasn't hitting very hard post rift being solved

5 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Willow became a firebender (cool- um I mean hot as hell)

She was in a poor state pre skill tree

6 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Woodie is now... every character at once

He's a jack of all master of none unless you count ocean travel rushing but the skill tree didn't affect that as he doesn't really do anything better than anyone even with his wereforms which I still don't understand the lock system on them. He was also in a poor state pre skill tree

7 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Wigfrid is now an actual warrior with sick weapons and playstyle

Wigfrid got just as much filler as Wendy did.

8 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Winona became what she always should have been- J. Winona Oppenheimer

She was in a poor state pre skill tree

9 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Lets see, Wilson got a t- he doesn't count.

I'd like to see the explanation on this.

[PunkShark]

14 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Lets see, Wilson got a t- he doesn't count.

Willow became a firebender (cool- um I mean hot as hell)

Wolfgang became Popeye

Woodie is now... every character at once.

Wigfrid is now an actual warrior with sick weapons and playstyle

Winona became what she always should have been- J. Winona Oppenheimer

Wormwood- okay I never played his skill tree (as if I ever played him normally lol)  I have no idea but people seem to love it sooo

AVENGERS ASSEMBLE 

So yeah, Wendy got the most uninteresting skill tree by far, even beating Wilson and that's saying something. Klei did her so wrong. To be fair, this update was totally incomplete and It's not really fair to compare her against completed updates. I'm just here to explain.

I think it's important to remind all that Willow was barely a character, Woodie was a giant mess that needed fixing for a long time.
Wigfrid needed progression, Winona needed smth more.

Wolfgang (to me) is in the same category as Wendy. These were very well liked  they felt like a complete character for a long time and for good reason people played these cause they were already good. in my mind, they felt complete. And what their style did? They did well. so their skill tree was about QOL features to their existing mechanics, with some smaller but unique perks. So, it makes sense at least to me that their skill tree wasn't as expansive as Willow who before her skill tree, had barely anything, so it makes sense why her skill tree was as expansive as it is.

The way i see skill trees being balanced is how much they already feel like a complete character. The more complete, the less requirement is used to make them even more interesting. Cause they already are.

[Mysterious box]

14 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

So yeah, Wendy got the most uninteresting skill tree by far, even beating Wilson and that's saying something. Klei did her so wrong. To be fair, this update was totally incomplete and It's not really fair to compare her against completed updates. I'm just here to explain.

This just isn't even close to true Wolfgang's and Wilson's are the most boring skill trees to date.

[SilverSpoon]

The focus of the drama is "Other forum rioter vs Chinese haters" and  about Wendy, it's just proxy war regarding.
This will happen if Klei's community manager doesn't management both of the above.

[HellHeater]

Just now, Mysterious box said:

This just isn't even close to true Wolfgang's and Wilson's are the most boring skill trees to date.

Wilson is a joke, Wolfgang is actually fun tbh, Wendy is a disappointment.

[RussoDaFederal]

16 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

Also I cant avoid to think some people are being spoiled about it. Like even getting her own devs graveyard to personal pig farm in full moon where she wants. It has strong stuff neat enough to make it worth but people just scream for more.

The ability to relocate and build graves is by far one of the coolest additions to the skill tree and people are complaining about beefalo damage

[HellHeater]

3 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

His skill was just bad if you look at it in any way that isn't the character known for his strength wasn't hitting very hard post rift being solved

I have no idea what this sentence says.

4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

She was in a poor state pre skill tree

Yup and klei did a good job fixing her

4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

He's a jack of all master of none unless you count ocean travel rushing but the skill tree didn't affect that as he doesn't really do anything better than anyone even with his wereforms which I still don't understand the lock system on them. He was also in a poor state pre skill tree

He doesn't need to do something better than everyone yet he does exploration much better than anyone. You can even get AG on day 2. He also sucked before and klei also fixed him well.

6 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Wigfrid got just as much filler as Wendy did.

No, wigfrid actually got interesting stuff. I agree that beefalo section is completely a filler, but she became MORE fun and interesting to play as. Especially with a whole new entire mechanic just for her weapon.

7 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

She was in a poor state pre skill tree

I don't see what this argument is. She was totally in a poor state and klei fixed it. What about it?

8 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I'd like to see the explanation on this.

Many people including me don't take his skill tree seriously. That's about it.

9 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

I think it's important to remind all that Willow was barely a character, Woodie was a giant mess that needed fixing for a long time.
Wigfrid needed progression, Winona needed smth more.

Wolfgang (to me) is in the same category as Wendy. These were very well liked  they felt like a complete character for a long time and for good reason people played these cause they were already good. in my mind, they felt complete. And what their style did? They did well. so their skill tree was about QOL features to their existing mechanics, with some smaller but unique perks. So, it makes sense at least to me that their skill tree wasn't as expansive as Willow who before her skill tree, had barely anything, so it makes sense why her skill tree was as expansive as it is.

The way i see skill trees being balanced is how much they already feel like a complete character. The more complete, the less requirement is used to make them even more interesting. Cause they already are.

Wendy skill tree was probably very highly anticipated by her fans, what they got was a number play and a damage transfer. Sure, she didn't need anything more but that doesn't mean the skill tree has to be bland.

5 minutes ago, RussoDaFederal said:

The ability to relocate and build graves is by far one of the coolest additions to the skill tree and people are complaining about beefalo damage

I AGREE WITH THAT BEING COOL AS HELL  FJKDJGKSBFKDNFBNS

Does it mean anything after you've already collected all graves though?

[Mysterious box]

3 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Wilson is a joke, Wolfgang is actually fun tbh, Wendy is a disappointment.

Explain to me what new skill he got in his skill tree that made him more fun? Was it the whistle or the elemental dumbells? Because those are the only 2 new things they added.

[HellHeater]

2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Explain to me what new skill he got in his skill tree that made him more fun? Was it the whistle or the elemental dumbells? Because those are the only 2 new things they added.

Eh, not really, I always played him with all mighty gym buffs, instamine buffs and one planar and 3 lunar alignment buffs. I haven't ever used either of those. Wolfgang's tree was definitely also a numberplay but I don't think I can really explain why I didn't feel disappointment with him. I liked playing as him for a while and I liked playing with his skill tree specifically.

[RussoDaFederal]

7 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Does it mean anything after you've already collected all graves though?

It means you just became the new Tomb Raider™

[Mysterious box]

2 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

I have no idea what this sentence says.

The only way his skill tree was good is if you consider them fixing his damage problem good.

 

4 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

He doesn't need to do something better than everyone yet he does exploration much better than anyone. You can even get AG on day 2. He also sucked before and klei also fixed him well.

The problem he had was all his wereforms were bad now they're passable.

Also you can get to ag day 2 with Warly and Wilson completely scienceless possibly even sooner with some luck.

7 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

No, wigfrid actually got interesting stuff. I agree that beefalo section is completely a filler, but she became MORE fun and interesting to play as. Especially with a whole new entire mechanic just for her weapon.

How is what Wigfrid got interesting but Wendy's somehow wasn't? She got multiple new mechanical concepts exclusive to her moving graves and being able to fight after death for example.

10 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

I don't see what this argument is. She was totally in a poor state and klei fixed it. What about it?

The people who bigger changes on average were those in a bad state which Wendg is not.

 

10 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Many people including me don't take his skill tree seriously. That's about it.

So in otherwords a skill tree that actually needs fixed?

11 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Wendy skill tree was probably very highly anticipated by her fans, what they got was a number play and a damage transfer. Sure, she didn't need anything more but that doesn't mean the skill tree has to be bland.

It being bland is highly debatable as for values being under tuned well that's a different story

4 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Eh, not really, I always played him with all mighty gym buffs, instamine buffs and one planar and 3 lunar alignment buffs. I haven't ever used either of those. Wolfgang's tree was definitely also a numberplay but I don't think I can really explain why I didn't feel disappointment with him. I liked playing as him for a while and I liked playing with his skill tree specifically.

That's called a double standard plain and simple.

[HellHeater]

7 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

That's called a double standard plain and simple.

Why would I want to denounce wendy?

[Mysterious box]

3 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Why would I want to denounce wendy?

What do you mean?

[DegenerateFurry]

I really don't get it either. Some people are just seemingly obsessed with Wendy and want her to be the next Wolfgang or something instead of accepting that characters in this game have niches, and she's already the strongest in hers for little effort and thus doesn't need much power from a skill tree and should instead get quality-of-life stuff. She still gets a power boost for the post-rifts part of the game like everyone else, too, and the lunar portion of that even makes Abigail more viable for bosses at the cost of losing out on Wendy's signature crowd control abilities. 

As far as quality-of-life goes, the skill tree's pretty decent for reasons mentioned already: relocating graves for easier pipspook farming, more mourning glories when you do assist pipspooks, and some buffs to her potions. The flower cloak item thing apparently factors in armor-based damage reduction when transferring Wendy's damage taken over to Abigail and lets her heal Abby by healing herself, too, so that means that if Wendy's tanking (like during Bee Queen), she can just let Abigail focus on damage and doesn't need to use cure-alls. 

[Mike23Ua]

6 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

I really don't get it either. Some people are just seemingly obsessed with Wendy and want her to be the next Wolfgang or something instead of accepting that characters in this game have niches, and she's already the strongest in hers for little effort and thus doesn't need much power from a skill tree and should instead get quality-of-life stuff. She still gets a power boost for the post-rifts part of the game like everyone else, too, and the lunar portion of that even makes Abigail more viable for bosses at the cost of losing out on Wendy's signature crowd control abilities. 

As far as quality-of-life goes, the skill tree's pretty decent for reasons mentioned already: relocating graves for easier pipspook farming, more mourning glories when you do assist pipspooks, and some buffs to her potions. The flower cloak item thing apparently factors in armor-based damage reduction when transferring Wendy's damage taken over to Abigail and lets her heal Abby by healing herself, too, so that means that if Wendy's tanking (like during Bee Queen), she can just let Abigail focus on damage and doesn't need to use cure-alls. 

Then what is the purpose of relocating tombstones or doing Pipspook quests if this one item obsoletes the need for Ectoherbology potion using?

You want my opinion.. Wendy should be able to chug down the vigor Mortis potion herself for Speeeeeedd boost, and why not? Woodie, WX and Wes have minimal effort speed.

[Kvetevk]

1 hour ago, HellHeater said:

Lets see, Wilson got a t- he doesn't count.

As a wilson main Im saying, you did us dirty