Are you satisfied with the updates this year?

[NPCMaxwell]

8 minutes ago, Well-met said:

skill trees will never make sense until they're made to reset every new world anyway. I won't lose sleep over it

 

I don't like them either so I get it, but some people seem to be very excited about them.

[DegenerateFurry]

1 hour ago, Well-met said:

skill trees will never make sense until they're made to reset every new world anyway. I won't lose sleep over it

 

Cool opinion bro, can you please keep it to yourself since you don't seem to care about what anyone else wants for the game and just want it to die?

[RozeMeteor]

1 hour ago, Well-met said:

skill trees will never make sense until they're made to reset every new world anyway. I won't lose sleep over it

 

I don't get why people would want that, some characters skilltrees are band aid reworks and without them they would be horrible, not to mention many of the perks are usefull only during early game or too niched later on so what would be their point. Why not put some personal metas youself them ? apply x skills if i beat y boss etc...

[arubaro]

46 minutes ago, RozeMeteor said:

I don't get why people would want that, some characters skilltrees are band aid reworks and without them they would be horrible, not to mention many of the perks are usefull only during early game or too niched later on so what would be their point. Why not put some personal metas youself them ? apply x skills if i beat y boss etc...

That is because they arent doing proper skill trees but fixing characters that needed tweks.

The trees are so incosistent... just compare the design of willow, wormwood, Wolfgang or woodie's skill trees to see how they dont make sense. Such random designs

[RozeMeteor]

i don't disagree with you, but only time will tell if those will be adressed later or no, the problem is that it will take time and that means less time in development just to fix inconsistent things who could been made better from the start. Take options away from players to make the game harder for our own pleasure is selfish, the best way they could adress that is giving us options, as for us self impose challenges can be fun, it all depends of the person and if that doesn't cut it maybe a break from the game could be the right way. @arubaro

[Echsrick]

2 hours ago, NPCMaxwell said:

Hmm a bit unfair towards the characters that are still waiting for their skilltrees.

(Plus I still want to finally know if the moon/shadow thing will end up in an apocalypse!)

(But then from a modder's perspective I'd kind of wish for less updates too, at least lest frequently)

what i expect from the moon shadow thing is that at some point and shehanigans rift nonsenticalnonsense that at the end a final boss comes, that in the end resets the rifts to be "disabled" again untill you re do the rift trigger that being charlie and wagstaff being given something, the final boss of shadow being....big dark dragon...because the eye makes sense to be classic european dragon right? and i got a weakness for big dark dragons, for moon? hmm...plant....something weird plant life i would guess, wormwood 2.0 or something, bigger vine monster like kinda thingy

[mima_]

any update made is better than none, been throwing all expectation after the year of dragon.. lol
its good for your mental health too. just dont expect anything so all update is good update 
as long as there new things i will always coming back to DST 

[SilverSpoon]

11 hours ago, arubaro said:

The trees are so incosistent... just compare the design of willow, wormwood, Wolfgang or woodie's skill trees to see how they dont make sense. Such random designs

Rather more I think skill trees should be random and inconsistent. I would like each character be got as much individuality as possible.

[arubaro]

16 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

Rather more I think skill trees should be random and inconsistent. I would like each character be got as much individuality as possible.

Yes, agree but i dont think the current iteration is what describes that.

Just compare Wolfgang’s with willow's tree...

[Semind]

I'm still too new to gauge. Given that I started playing late 2023, my honest answer is yes I'm satisfied; but that's coming from a place of "Oh wow DST has so much more stuff than DS which I've been playing for a few months. Oh cool, the game keeps getting even more new stuff every few months!" I'm just now getting close to all the pre-2024 content having lost its sense of novelty (well even then, I'm still short of experiencing every character). I also find it encouraging to see Klei continues making changes that are direct responses to player feeback like making the atrium Tentapillar visually identifiable (and simpler to locate).

On the other hand, I see and hear people being dissatisfied with the state of the game. I can look back on trailers and how the game world has evolved over the game's lifespan with new biomes, new quest lines and I do think that I'm hoping I'll be able to personally experience another substantial addition to the game like those. Even if my personal estimation is that the scope of these past few updates is representative of the workload the dev team can currently bear and that I think whole new biomes are likely to be too tall an order, I think I don't disagree with sentiments like "Most cave biomes give no incentive to explore and as a result boil the caves down to like 5-6 places you want to go to at best".

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6 hours ago, mima_ said:

any update made is better than none, been throwing all expectation after the year of dragon.. lol
its good for your mental health too. just dont expect anything so all update is good update 
as long as there new things i will always coming back to DST 

This is another good way I could have expressed my feelings

[Echsrick]

whats a year of dragon? all i remember is boats

[mima_]

57 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

whats a year of dragon? all i remember is boats

exactly.

[SOS-Ouroboros-K]

15 hours ago, Echsrick said:

whats a year of dragon? all i remember is boats

Great bargain boat mall:

[phoenixtoma99]

i really love Klei but these updates are getting worse and it seems they lost their main focus. of course they are giving out free updates and extra content so its always be better than nothing at all so im not complaining about that these updates being low quality or bad for the game. for me its just i always thought that there will be an 'end of the game' where you can save/beat Charlie/Them and finish the game and it felt like the updates supported that. the first updates of this DLC-update chain were better imho. In the 'From Beyond' updates first we got the Taking Root and Terrors below which gave the lunar and shadow rifts exploring further the effect of beating the 2 big boss (Celestial Champion, Ancient Fuelweaver), then we got Host of Horrors which gave us the junkyard and 3 possessed boss. then Scrappy Scanvangers which honestly adds 1 reskin boss, Stay Afloat which a Skill Spotlight Update with a small Crab King rework and now Depths of Duplicity which adds 1 new boss and small cave update. Meanwhile we have stuff in the game which still has no purpose and it 'may' have something to do more in the future (like the the whole Stage thing or the portal in the Archive) or things they didnt address for years after teasing it like Wanda knowing everything about Constans' timeline, Wortox knowing about the portal etc. So basically all i want is to say that the update-chain started way different like the updates they are adding now and i think they should focused more on 'finishing the game' and then adding the Skilltrees (which i honestly not a fan of) and other QoL updates. the more skin and curio they add i wouldnt mind because of course the more quality and beautiful thing we can buy, the more way we could support the development for this game.

[Uedo]

4 hours ago, phoenixtoma99 said:

i really love Klei but these updates are getting worse and it seems they lost their main focus. of course they are giving out free updates and extra content so its always be better than nothing at all so im not complaining about that these updates being low quality or bad for the game. for me its just i always thought that there will be an 'end of the game' where you can save/beat Charlie/Them and finish the game and it felt like the updates supported that. the first updates of this DLC-update chain were better imho. In the 'From Beyond' updates first we got the Taking Root and Terrors below which gave the lunar and shadow rifts exploring further the effect of beating the 2 big boss (Celestial Champion, Ancient Fuelweaver), then we got Host of Horrors which gave us the junkyard and 3 possessed boss. then Scrappy Scanvangers which honestly adds 1 reskin boss, Stay Afloat which a Skill Spotlight Update with a small Crab King rework and now Depths of Duplicity which adds 1 new boss and small cave update. Meanwhile we have stuff in the game which still has no purpose and it 'may' have something to do more in the future (like the the whole Stage thing or the portal in the Archive) or things they didnt address for years after teasing it like Wanda knowing everything about Constans' timeline, Wortox knowing about the portal etc. So basically all i want is to say that the update-chain started way different like the updates they are adding now and i think they should focused more on 'finishing the game' and then adding the Skilltrees (which i honestly not a fan of) and other QoL updates. the more skin and curio they add i wouldnt mind because of course the more quality and beautiful thing we can buy, the more way we could support the development for this game.

This perfectly captures everything I'd love to have in this game. Brilliantly put.

[dst_lover]

On 10/3/2024 at 1:28 PM, arubaro said:

Yes, agree but i dont think the current iteration is what describes that.

Just compare Wolfgang’s with willow's tree...

I think it’s because willow needed that more then Wolfgang to me Wolfgang is still batter then willow even though that she get a skill tree , if wolf gang was 8 in them of strength he becomes like 9 after the skill tree but willow was like 5 or 6 so she needed a strong skill tree more then Wolfgang and there is characters like wanda and maxwell they can compete with characters that have skill tree and they are even batter then them even though that they doesn’t have a skill tree and of klei didn’t give them a good skill tree that is fine because they are already good

[arubaro]

1 hour ago, dst_lover said:

I think it’s because willow needed that more then Wolfgang to me Wolfgang is still batter then willow even though that she get a skill tree , if wolf gang was 8 in them of strength he becomes like 9 after the skill tree but willow was like 5 or 6 so she needed a strong skill tree more then Wolfgang and there is characters like wanda and maxwell they can compete with characters that have skill tree and they are even batter then them even though that they doesn’t have a skill tree and of klei didn’t give them a good skill tree that is fine because they are already good

Then make it so Wolfgang’s perks are distributed in the skill tree... same happens with maxwell and he was the previous update to the 1st skill tree...

[Anis5240]

27 minutes ago, arubaro said:

previous update to the 1st skill tree...

Again, the disparity between the first and the last (be it reworks or skill trees) are so extreme I bet there WILL BE a 3rd round of character "reworks". Like, god. Wilson players really not expecting any OP bs for him, but the mediocrity he got was so, so boring and so saddening to look at.

Imagine, I proposed Wilson to have a blueprint perk where he can do copies of blueprints, yet it was met with ridicule here. And guess what? Winona got it and no one here ever say a thing. Like, ????? Double standards much?????

[arubaro]

54 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

Again, the disparity between the first and the last (be it reworks or skill trees) are so extreme I bet there WILL BE a 3rd round of character "reworks". Like, god. Wilson players really not expecting any OP bs for him, but the mediocrity he got was so, so boring and so saddening to look at.

Imagine, I proposed Wilson to have a blueprint perk where he can do copies of blueprints, yet it was met with ridicule here. And guess what? Winona got it and no one here ever say a thing. Like, ????? Double standards much?????

In this case is different, they even confirmed it in streams. They are developing better skill trees for weaker characters instead of making tweks outside of the skill tree, and making bland skill trees  for the powerful ones. Idk why they didnt wanted to make changes like how they did to wormwood and wurt pre-skill trees.

Is like "this 3 or 4 characters needs improvements but we are add skill trees for everyone,  just make then blank for the strongest ones"

And because of that weird design choice we end up having:

- interesting trees like wormwood's (that initially was a non sense until they listened to feedback),ll

- a skill tree that adds completely new layer of gameplay in willow's with her ember mechanic band spells. Instead of embers being something willow's base kit and configured with the skill tree

- woodie's that is a bunch of perks to remove downsides, the moose branch which are stuff that should be in the base kit and another bunch of niche perks that you cant use because you are going to go for the moose branch

- Winona's is another example of skill trees trying to fix boring characters.  Without the skill tree she is still wilson and, like in wigfrid's)

I dont think skill trees are a bad idea in a game with such ammount of mechanics, content to interact and that allows 2 players to pick the same character but i dont think the execution is being perfect and is hilarious how maxwell without skill tree has more perks than characters with them despite him being refreshed before than the 1st skill tree

[BezKa]

Sheesh, almost like all this could be avoided by not adding skill trees and just adding slight adjustments to characters during other updates like they did with Wortox that one time

[dst_lover]

1 hour ago, arubaro said:

Then make it so Wolfgang’s perks are distributed in the skill tree... same happens with maxwell and he was the previous update to the 1st skill tree...

I don’t think this is the best idea because there is people to this day refusing to use skill tree so putting Wolfgang perks in his skill tree will make a lot of people upset that is why i think giving him a bad skill tree is batter choice the problem is when you give the strongest characters like wanda or maxwell or Wolfgang a good skill tree will make the game easier but giving characters like willow or woodie a good skill will not be that of a problem because it will not make the game easier it will only make them useful 

and with the new content yes Wolfgang is now stronger and making an already strong character even more stronger will lead to the game becoming easier but the add more difficulty with the ruins having more threats and the new great worm and if they continue making the game harder this will fix the problem of the game becoming more easy 

and I know that a lot of characters like woodie right now doesn’t have any downside but I don’t think this is the skill tree problem more then the design of woodie and his rework the same goes for willow 

[arubaro]

11 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

I don’t think this is the best idea because there is people to this day refusing to use skill tree so putting Wolfgang perks in his skill tree will make a lot of people upset that is why i think giving him a bad skill tree is batter choice the problem is when you give the strongest characters like wanda or maxwell or Wolfgang a good skill tree will make the game easier but giving characters like willow or woodie a good skill will not be that of a problem because it will not make the game easier it will only make them useful 

and with the new content yes Wolfgang is now stronger and making an already strong character even more stronger will lead to the game becoming easier but the add more difficulty with the ruins having more threats and the new great worm and if they continue making the game harder this will fix the problem of the game becoming more easy 

But that isn't a good reason to develop boring and uninteresting skill trees... why even bother doing them? I was really hyped for the updates of this years since finally characters refreshes were mostly done but instead we have characters refresh 2.0 but worst...

11 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

and I know that a lot of characters like woodie right now doesn’t have any downside but I don’t think this is the skill tree problem more then the design of woodie and his rework the same goes for willow 

The problem isnt that they dont have impactful downsides... is that a good portion of woodie's skill tree is wasted on removing downsdes from the idols, from the moon cycle and the insanity while in wereform... is simply boring and uninteresting 

Is like if wormwood's skill tree had 10 perks that each gives 10% of the healing receive from food instead of 10 proper and fun perks

[dst_lover]

9 minutes ago, arubaro said:

But that isn't a good reason to develop boring and uninteresting skill trees... why even bother doing them? I was really hyped for the updates of this years since finally characters refreshes were mostly done but instead we have characters refresh 2.0 but worst...

The problem isnt that they dont have impactful downsides... is that a good portion of woodie's skill tree is wasted on removing downsdes from the idols, from the moon cycle and the insanity while in wereform... is simply boring and uninteresting 

Is like if wormwood's skill tree had 10 perks that each gives 10% of the healing receive from food instead of 10 proper and fun perks

1 they give wolf a boring and simple skill tree because he is strong and if they didn’t it will fell weird if he all the characters got one and he didn’t get any skill tree so they give him useless one like Mini game will complete automatically or some stats buffs because it is probably simple to code and he doesn’t need that much to begin with

2 I agree but this is not the skill tree fault let us take woodie for example his downside is literally that he transform every full moon like what is this downside it doesn’t even hurt you or make your experience more difficult just don’t full your hunger before a full moon and the problem with this downside that it’s only  impactful in the cc event so most people just swap character like what is this weird design of a downside the problem is woodie himself not the skill tree and yes the skill tree take that downside but the downside is so bad designed taking a way a downside like that is actually batter then making stay as it is what woodie need is a real downside not that moon downside 

3 but he does have a good and fun perks 

 

[arubaro]

28 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 I agree but this is not the skill tree fault let us take woodie for example his downside is literally that he transform every full moon like what is this downside it doesn’t even hurt you or make your experience more difficult just don’t full your hunger before a full moon and the problem with this downside that it’s only  impactful in the cc event so most people just swap character like what is this weird design of a downside the problem is woodie himself not the skill tree and yes the skill tree take that downside but the downside is so bad designed taking a way a downside like that is actually batter then making stay as it is what woodie need is a real downside not that moon downside

I wilk try a 3rd time... isnt about he having or not a downside, is about having boring perks in the skill tree

[Szczuku]

Free updates are usually better than not getting anything. In case of these updates, you can even opt out of doing anything related to them. So sure, stuff's nice

Doesn't change the fact that Klei is constantly dancing around the issues this game has, as if thinking that adding enough raid bosses will solve them