Dear Klei, please add Nightmare Fuel -> Pure Horror transmutation to Wilson's shadow affinity.

[Anis5240]

As per the title, I think this should be added. Players will have countless nightmare fuel but running low on pure horror before shadow rifts. Sure, we can kill Daywalker again and again but that's just too bothersome in my opinion.

Besides, pure horror is often compared to the equivalent of 2 nightmare fuel. So to make this new transmute balanced, have it 3 nightmare fuel -> 1 pure horror.

Thanks in advance if you consider it.

[Jakepeng99]

It should be 10 nightmare fuel for 1 pure horror.

[Anis5240]

Bringing this idea back considering the Shadow Maul can eat through a lot of repair kits, and at the very least, players can have some decent stock of pure horror.

[Radicaljoe]

Yeah, Ickers have really overflown my chests with nightmare fuel recently. I went mapping in the caves, after only 6 days I had 12 full stacks of nm fue froml just walking around the caves. I would not mind converting them into pure horror at all.

[aidankocherhans]

Considering Winona can get pure horror from the start of the game this probably wouldn't be too powerful, even if the exchange rate needs to be poor to balance it

[Anis5240]

10 minutes ago, Radicaljoe said:

Ickers have really overflown my chests with nightmare fuel recently

So real man. I have over 1k+ nightmare fuel by now (included the ones I don't pick up in caves cuz that's just how many I've gotten).

The disparity here is so much.

[arubaro]

On 9/16/2024 at 5:28 PM, Jakepeng99 said:

It should be 10 nightmare fuel for 1 pure horror.

Minimum 

[Jakepeng99]

Yeah this is way too op.

 

[SOS-Ouroboros-K]

My radical idea: We need more Nightmare Fuel solutions, even Icker Jars.

[Mr Giggio]

Hard pass. Nightmare fuel never was easier to farm than nowadays to be using it as free horror and dreadstone like that.

[Maxil20]

I really don’t see the issue with the fuel -> pure horror trade, even if it was 3->1. Compared to the myriad of uses nightmare fuel has, the best use you will use for pure horror is one of the 2 materials for the repair kits and a 2X nightmare fuel for refueling things (which I highly doubt most people are using this for).

Even in the context of dreadstone pillars, in order to craft 1 pillar at a 3->1 NMfuel to pure horror ratio, you would need 396 nightmare fuel, or almost ten stacks (and this isn’t even accounting the time to transmute it all…). Are you really going to get almost 10 stacks of fuel to make a pillar compared to like ~4-5 green gems?

[Anis5240]

1 hour ago, Maxil20 said:

Are you really going to get almost 10 stacks of fuel

You underestimate insane players lol, especially in multiplayer. They can get tons of fuel as long as any of them are insane.

[loopuleasa]

By comparison, brilliance is converted from infused moon shards, which is also an endgame material

NMF is not endgame material

We need more reasons to farm unique materials, not less

 

[Anis5240]

1 hour ago, Maxil20 said:

to make a pillar compared to like ~4-5 green gems?

Also you still gotta put 40 dreadstone within the pillar, so yes. Anything to save resources, or convert them to more useful counterparts.

[Maxil20]

Just now, Anis5240 said:

Also you still gotta put 40 dreadstone within the pillar, so yes.

The cost of the building part of the pillar was factored into the green gems (you use 44 dreadstone per pillar, and you can get 10 dreadstone via making 20 walls with 10 dreadstone with the amulet and smashing them to get 20, or you can get slightly more with a construction amulet/deconstruction staff combo of making the nightmare saddle and transmuting the excess horror you get into dreadstone).

[Anis5240]

22 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

NMF is not endgame material

Meanwhile you can change pure horror into 2 nightmare fuel with the perk. I'd rather take this new transmute (nightmare fuel -> pure horror). At the very least, you can have a small neat sense of progression instead of this "one transmute and its reverse" type only in almost all his transmutation skills.

Of course, I can see this possible perk to happen with Maxwell too, but until then, nothing wrong with giving ideas.

[Maxil20]

2 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

Meanwhile you can change pure horror into 2 nightmare fuel with the perk. I'd rather take this new transmute (nightmare fuel -> pure horror). At the very least, you can have a small neat sense of progression instead of this "one transmute and its reverse" type only in almost all his transmutation skills.

Of course, I can see this possible perk to happen with Maxwell too, but until then, nothing wrong with giving ideas.

Ah, my bad. I would not be opposed to the option of the transmute myself. I just wanted to point out that a lot of people who claim it would be super powerful/breaking don’t realize that existing options available are already very good for this purpose, and not that I think the transmute would be outclassed (as I do see it having a niche in servers with a lot of people for instance).

[arubaro]

1 hour ago, Maxil20 said:

I really don’t see the issue with the fuel -> pure horror trade, even if it was 3->1. Compared to the myriad of uses nightmare fuel has, the best use you will use for pure horror is one of the 2 materials for the repair kits and a 2X nightmare fuel for refueling things (which I highly doubt most people are using this for).

Even in the context of dreadstone pillars, in order to craft 1 pillar at a 3->1 NMfuel to pure horror ratio, you would need 396 nightmare fuel, or almost ten stacks (and this isn’t even accounting the time to transmute it all…). Are you really going to get almost 10 stacks of fuel to make a pillar compared to like ~4-5 green gems?

We dont know how a cheap trade will unbalance the future content recipes. Nf is easier to farm than ever

[Anis5240]

3 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

Ah, my bad.

Tut tut, don't underestimate my knowledge about Wilson 

Yes, I know that it's somewhat detrimental that his entire character currently got reduced to "le funny material grinding character", but as long as the options are good (I know plenty of people that used him for the most basic transmutation of all: flint-rock for le funny cobblestone), then it's fine.

[Maxil20]

8 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

Yes, I know that it's somewhat detrimental that his entire character currently got reduced to "le funny material grinding character", but as long as the options are good (I know plenty of people that used him for the most basic transmutation of all: flint-rock for le funny cobblestone), then it's fine.

I mean I certainly have gotten my fair share out of it. He’s got some nice situational transmutes, and in a megabase scenario a lot of those are very helpful (shoutout to the bone shard/pure brilliance trades which I have unironically transmuted thousands of times  with either, alongside beard hair into beefalo wool from my splumonkey farms because why not).

[Anis5240]

3 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

He’s got some nice situational transmutes

And then you got the useless one: 6 rot -> 1 poop. I REALLY don't see where this transmute can ever be useful.

[Jakepeng99]

16 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

Are you really going to get almost 10 stacks of fuel to make a pillar compared to like ~4-5 green gems?

Yes