there are 3 major roles in this game

[Echsrick]

and its as follows

COMBAT: that is self explanatory, if the character has something that helps him in combat then they are for sure more combat role then the other 2 roles, even if its as minimal as having more then average health

GATHERING: how good is the character in collecting things? resources from like tree choping, rock mining, or just goin and collecting things

BASE MANAGEMENT: this role more difficult and you may see why with the picture, in a way its more so the who sould be left behind in base so he can....build structures, do cookin, do farming...that kinda thing of not leaving the base

and i belive about roles it would look something more like this





as we can see here, most characters are more goin towards gathering and combat then base management, some characters are more tricky to place like wurt, simple because yes, she does combat better with her merms and even if not she has more health then average but merms can alsol attack trees and rocks for resource gathering, and she may want to build all that in some sort of mini base so the merms dont get in the way of the others

so what you think? is this about right? if not heres a blank one or you think i missed what you consider a role? then please tell me!

[douan33]

[NPCMaxwell]

The amount of combat related characters

 

 

Also funny side effect of this graphic: Wes watching everyone as if he was some villain only being there to handicap everyone

[cybers2001]

Winona: I can do all of these

[Echsrick]

19 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said:

The amount of combat related characters

the thing is some are goin more towards gathering, and some of them do have combat related stuff, maxwell for example has his shadow duelist and prison wich are combat related while having shadow gatherers for the gathering role, or wortox, he has above average health, can heal himself and anyone near him, and he gets souls from killing things so it plays all into that role but he can gather because he can teleport and collect things if needed



 

 

15 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

Winona: I can do all of these

for winona i dont remember if she realy had something like gathering aspects, i do remember she can build things faster so makin cutstones for cookin pots will be faster wich falls into the base management part and her catapults are a combat tool...

some things may or may not be differend depending on some characters future skill trees and or if one even gets those perks that have gathering focus

[cybers2001]

6 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

for winona i dont remember if she realy had something like gathering aspects, i do remember she can build things faster so makin cutstones for cookin pots will be faster wich falls into the base management part and her catapults are a combat tool...

some things may or may not be differend depending on some characters future skill trees and or if one even gets those perks that have gathering focus

She can level a forest with planar strike, and have winbots clean it all up. Then she can stack everything onto a telepad and send it all to base in one go.

[Kwaik]

I get your point that it's hard to find a catch all term for the 3rd category, although base management is kind of misleading since 99% of that everyone can do. 

Gardening/fishing imo should be it's own thing imo  since wickerbottom, maxwell,.wormwood (and a lesser extent Wurt) have very unique and powerful roles 

 

And Wolfgang while a monster at combat, is also better than a fairly substantial percentage of other characters when it comes to gathering. His increased movement speed, and ability to 1 hit TKO gathering objects is legit. Many of these other characters offer little to no advantage when it comes to gathering

[Mike23Ua]

You forgot exploration, which we all know goose Woodie excels most at, but you also can’t count out Walter and Woby..

Early game map exploration is important.

[grm9]

10 minutes ago, Kwaik said:

His increased movement speed

it got removed 3 years ago and got added back to normal form that has no perks for working now

[Echsrick]

3 minutes ago, Kwaik said:

I get your point that it's hard to find a catch all term for the 3rd category, although base management is kind of misleading since 99% of that everyone can do. 

Gardening/fishing imo should be it's own thing imo  since wickerbottom, maxwell,.wormwood (and a lesser extent Wurt) have very unique and powerful roles their 

 

 

thing is, a trianble is better then a 2 point line, and it exist with the reason of them being less good at gathering or combat, so its easyer to leave them behind in a base, like in a typecal 5 or 6 or so player server, would you rather have warly go about the world or would you keep him in base to check the garden wich i think is more part of base managemend because it is part of the base, fishing however depends, pond fish you usualy dont base too close to one because the frogs may get annoying and ocean fishing depends if base is close to ocean or not, and if close the trawlers net exist for easy ocean fish wich is even better when someone is actualy in base to spawn fish and get them passively trapped

 

5 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

You forgot exploration, which we all know goose Woodie excels most at, but you also can’t count out Walter and Woby..

Early game map exploration is important.

heres the thing, exploration just happens, everyone has to do so, the combat ones the gatherers the base manager, if all players spawn in day 1 and all go there way the map will be explored easy, and theres that, early game, meaning after like day 10 they are practicaly not needed anymore and a role thats not needed anymore so fast sould realy not be a role

11 minutes ago, Kwaik said:

And Wolfgang while a monster at combat, is also better than a fairly substantial percentage of other characters when it comes to gathering. His increased movement speed, and ability to 1 hit TKO gathering objects is legit. Many of these other characters offer little to no advantage when it comes to gathering

his speed wich only comes in normal mode aswell has needing at least 1 skill point to instand work on resources is just too random to be relied on, while other characters do have some sort of more gathering partwise

woodie can chop fast the tress and as beaver can mine rocks too
walter can carry more things thanks to woby, the combat part comes from the slingshot and his tent wich can be used if needed
wendy and webber can both gather spider stuff, but webber is slightly above wendy for combat for having bit more hp then average and of course not having damage penality
willow can control fire and with that be able to more save gather burnt trees without burning too much or other things nearby aswell as her special thing for her spells but its because of her spells she is more towards combat

[Kwaik]

6 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

thing is, a trianble is better then a 2 point line, and it exist with the reason of them being less good at gathering or combat, so its easyer to leave them behind in a base, like in a typecal 5 or 6 or so player server, would you rather have warly go about the world or would you keep him in base to check the garden wich i think is more part of base managemend because it is part of the base, fishing however depends, pond fish you usualy dont base too close to one because the frogs may get annoying and ocean fishing depends if base is close to ocean or not, and if close the trawlers net exist for easy ocean fish wich is even better when someone is actualy in base to spawn fish and get them passively trapped

 

heres the thing, exploration just happens, everyone has to do so, the combat ones the gatherers the base manager, if all players spawn in day 1 and all go there way the map will be explored easy, and theres that, early game, meaning after like day 10 they are practicaly not needed anymore and a role thats not needed anymore so fast sould realy not be a role

Sure a triangle is convenient but base management isn't a thing. And I think the problem is Warly atm is such a garbage character that you're essentially altering the presentation of your graphic for him 

 

IMO I'd acknowledge that Warly is an extreme outlier and Maxwell is an extreme outlier then come up with a graphic that represents everyone else

 

Warly brings nothing to the table when it comes to gardening, absolute zero. And yes you may have. A5 or 6 player server but you can have duplicates. 

 

Who would you rather have managing a base/gardening Warly or Maxwell? The answers Maxwell. 

 

I guess how you define the 3rd category is most significant. Is it who is the BEST at managing a base, or who is the most useless at everything else that you should leave them at the base

[Valase]

13 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

his speed wich only comes in normal mode aswell has needing at least 1 skill point to instand work on resources is just too random to be relied on, while other characters do have some sort of more gathering partwise

Actually he has the 1% "crit" in his base kit, the skill points only increase it.

[arubaro]

That warly at the right and wormwood so far of combat and gathering hurts my eyes and brain

[Valase]

Also, this triangle is not really good at conveying what you want to convey, Wolf for example, he is the best fighter in the everyday context, and he is a above average gatherer due his 1.33 axe/pickaxe power, as well as being able to use a piggy back without the drawbacks, but in your graph, he is placed in the furthest away from gathering.

1 minute ago, arubaro said:

That warly at the right and wormwood so far of combat hurts my eyes and brain

Sadly Warly is allergic to pepper and jelly, therefore he can't eat his special dishes food and only give to other characters.

[Echsrick]

21 minutes ago, Kwaik said:

Sure a triangle is convenient but base management isn't a thing. And I think the problem is Warly atm is such a garbage character that you're essentially altering the presentation of your graphic for him 

 

IMO I'd acknowledge that Warly is an extreme outlier and Maxwell is an extreme outlier then come up with a graphic that represents everyone else

 

Warly brings nothing to the table when it comes to gardening, absolute zero. And yes you may have. A5 or 6 player server but you can have duplicates. 

 

Who would you rather have managing a base/gardening Warly or Maxwell? The answers Maxwell. 

 

I guess how you define the 3rd category is most significant. Is it who is the BEST at managing a base, or who is the most useless at everything else that you should leave them at the base

the thing is, maxwell is better at gettin things or combat related things, warly however has his own cookin station and the need to farm for the good stuff and for that you kinda want to be in the base, and base is gartening too, not gathering given thats an outside base thing
 

22 minutes ago, Valase said:

Actually he has the 1% "crit" in his base kit, the skill points only increase it.

that i dit not know
 

13 minutes ago, arubaro said:

That warly at the right and wormwood so far of combat and gathering hurts my eyes and brain

wormwood is a bit more in the middle, he has spike armour and can get easy living logs, but he is better at farming wich is base management

14 minutes ago, Valase said:

Also, this triangle is not really good at conveying what you want to convey, Wolf for example, he is the best fighter in the everyday context, and he is a above average gatherer due his 1.33 axe/pickaxe power, as well as being able to use a piggy back without the drawbacks, but in your graph, he is placed in the furthest away from gathering.

Sadly Warly is allergic to pepper and jelly, therefore he can't eat his special dishes food and only give to other characters.

maybe, but does the average player use wolfgang for that random instand tree fall or rather for killing things? and with warly is more so supportive, he does gain boost from his spices like everyone else, but is it not better to give wolfgang the spicy jelly? maybe there it is, maybe it sould have been "support" then "base management", i see it now that maybe base management was maybe not the best of terms used

[SapoLover]

Nothing to be surprised about. If there is combat in a game, the vast majority of people will mainly focus on that; it's what makes others look at you like a pro after all. Devs know that, so combat characters will always be the priority.

Also, I don't understand Walter. By the descriptions I think he should be between Warly and Wormwood, because the slingshot does have a few tricks, but helping in combat eh... and you have the sanity mechanics which is a double edge, and bee allergy... he does cook fast tho!

[Echsrick]

3 minutes ago, SapoLover said:

Nothing to be surprised about. If there is combat in a game, the vast majority of people will mainly focus on that; it's what makes others look at you like a pro after all. Devs know that, so combat characters will always be the priority.

Also, I don't understand Walter. By the descriptions I think he should be between Warly and Wormwood, because the slingshot does have a few tricks, but helping in combat eh... and you have the sanity mechanics which is a double edge, and bee allergy... he does cook fast tho!

more so walter being able to have a bigger inventory and his tent for healing if needed, like an adventure drip to fuelweaver, wich after you need health walter got a tent for that if needed, and slingshot is just fine some damage he can do without goin into the range of the enemy and alsol it makin it less likely that an enemy goes towards walter if he uses that while other characters attack

[cybers2001]

1 hour ago, Echsrick said:

his speed wich only comes in normal mode aswell has needing at least 1 skill point to instand work on resources is just too random to be relied on, while other characters do have some sort of more gathering partwise

Maxed crit is pretty reliable. I'd say just about every marble tree I mine as Wolfgang gets critted. Another +1 for mobility for Wolfgang is he can carry a piggy backpack as mighty without the speed penalty.

[NPCMaxwell]

2 hours ago, Echsrick said:

the thing is some are goin more towards gathering, and some of them do have combat related stuff, maxwell for example has his shadow duelist and prison wich are combat related while having shadow gatherers for the gathering role, or wortox, he has above average health, can heal himself and anyone near him, and he gets souls from killing things so it plays all into that role but he can gather because he can teleport and collect things if needed

 

I know ^^ I just meant dead-Wilson-smilie in the sense of: They are so crowded in this part of the charts it hurts my eyes ^^

[ShadowDuelist]

There seems to be another type of highly specialized gathering that I wouldn't pair with the usual gathering near the base, like collecting logs, meat, vegetables, marble, etc. This is long-distance gathering: tasks that require traveling very far to pick up specific items. For example, crafting a new batch of Starcallers, collecting more resources on Monkey Island, bringing back cacti if the base isn't near them, harvesting ocean resources, completing Pearl quests, etc.

Although anyone can do this, in a multiplayer setting with a group of decently skilled and useful players, the ones who will do it most often are those with natural superior mobility perks, as they can complete such tasks faster. These include Wanda, Wortox, and Winona, and to a lesser extent, Woodie, WX, and Walter.

I'm not so sure about base management as something that specific characters excel at. To be honest, the only one I've noticed with a clear advantage in this area is Winona, with her army of organizing robots. Some people don't enjoy fighting as much or prefer world-building, so they take on the role of base builder or architect. From what I've seen, they can be any character, even those typically oriented toward combat.

[Evelo]

Warly really needs to be more central on your chart. He has Pepper Spice and Honey Spice for combat and gathering. As well as Volt Goat Jelly for combat too.

Now that I am looking at it more closely, Base management isn't really a role. What is there to manage? You mentioned cooking, farming, build structures. Everyone does that. Regardless of who you play at. It is a responsibility shared among everyone equally. If there were to be a third category I think it would be "Exploration" or "Travel" which most people are in the middle with since Beefalo exist so taking them out you have the people on foot. Which leaves build in speed boosts where Woodie, Walter, Wormwood, Wanda, Winona, and Wortox are in the lead with speed boosts or teleportation.

You are less likely to have a Willow go across the map to grab something when you can have the speedy Woodie as a Goose do it much faster.

[Echsrick]

8 hours ago, Evelo said:

Warly really needs to be more central on your chart. He has Pepper Spice and Honey Spice for combat and gathering. As well as Volt Goat Jelly for combat too.

Now that I am looking at it more closely, Base management isn't really a role. What is there to manage? You mentioned cooking, farming, build structures. Everyone does that. Regardless of who you play at. It is a responsibility shared among everyone equally. If there were to be a third category I think it would be "Exploration" or "Travel" which most people are in the middle with since Beefalo exist so taking them out you have the people on foot. Which leaves build in speed boosts where Woodie, Walter, Wormwood, Wanda, Winona, and Wortox are in the lead with speed boosts or teleportation.

You are less likely to have a Willow go across the map to grab something when you can have the speedy Woodie as a Goose do it much faster.

the thing is, warly can simply give the spice to a character more fitting, spicy jelly for wolfgand he can work more with that and i dit mention that maybe base management was not the best part, but exploration i dont think is a good role either, why? because everyone does that, everyone spawns and picks a direction, and then what? everything been explored to quicky and then that role becomes useless

[Evelo]

8 hours ago, Echsrick said:

the thing is, warly can simply give the spice to a character more fitting, spicy jelly for wolfgand he can work more with that and i dit mention that maybe base management was not the best part, but exploration i dont think is a good role either, why? because everyone does that, everyone spawns and picks a direction, and then what? everything been explored to quicky and then that role becomes useless

That assumes you play multiplayer. I play solo, so everyone has equal base management skills. Each character has their own advantages and disadvantages. Relegating work to a base is purely a multiplayer issue. I like to look at all aspects of a character. Sure Warly can give spices to other people, but without Warly, they wouldn't have them in the first place. He is contributing to that work even if it with an assist. That contributes positively to productivity or combat.

[demon3000]

Base management I would replace it with SUPPORT. And a farm with cooking in GATHERING, because food is also a resource.