Crab King entirely prevents me from progressing the game

[grm9]

29 minutes ago, Vinja said:

This place is for people with too much time on their hands, people who gauge your worth by how fast you've speedran all the bosses or which character you main. Some folks here might disagree and cry about that but they're wrong

that's extremely dumb to say considering that most people here'ren't good at the game and never did a speedrun

29 minutes ago, Vinja said:

I can see why people do like it because on paper it's a lot more engaging than the old fight and if you're a good player you likely enjoy the challenge

most people that ever did old CK with rowing instead of ice staves liked it and consider new CK as worse and less complex

29 minutes ago, Vinja said:

it's too complicated with too many elements to micromanage

too many (2 at a time, repairing boat if it'll go below like 50 durability and dealing with the boss if you're tanking shots from cannon towers)

29 minutes ago, Vinja said:

I couldn't imagine how either my sister or fiance would have done it on their own without me to manage everything for them or three players to deal damage so the fight is shorter

you can still use bees and gun powder, you can even kill the boss through gun powder without starting the fight after inserting only pearl

29 minutes ago, Vinja said:

The people here will pretend like they were born with the ability to kill crab king but the reality is you're all mostly good players with far more play time than the average person and a lot more practice

no, most people did CK on 1st or 2nd try during beta, it only became slightly harder after it

29 minutes ago, Vinja said:

The console version has no access to mods, so there's a constant lag that you have to deal with. All of these issues persist on ps5 btw. Pan flutes simply do not work on console. Once in a while they'll work as advertised but for the most part the pan flute will miss enemies that it should hit or it'll take longer than it's supposed to in order to cast, and you'll get stuck in an animation and hit and it won't work but will still use up 10% when on pc it takes like half a second to use and never seems to just not work also some enemies will sleep fpr how long they'resupposed to but some will fall asleep then instantly wake bacl up even witbout being attacked and no one even near them, pan flute just feels terrible on console. Trying to repair a boat on console is stupid hard, because the poorly developed targeting system targets everything but the boat when you're hovering over your boards. The game is constantly lagging as I've said before, which cost us a couple runs because the lag made both my sister and fiance fall through a crack as the ice was breaking as they were jumping on the boat even though there was an ice raft that spawned right under them next to boat

"the boss's bad because console version sucks"

i also doubt that pan flute's glitchy on console for no reason, most likely just an issue with lag compensation, try turning it off if it isn't

11 hours ago, Dwight34 said:

If that's true that makes no sense with how the game presents it, and sadly gunpowder doesn't allow for experimentation with how massively costly it is

do you want a solution or an opportunity to complain?

[gaymime]

25 minutes ago, Vinja said:

I play this game on playstation and do a lot of pub servers with random players and I also play this game with my fiance and sister who neither of them watch YouTube videos or anything like that, just very casual players who think the core game is fun. You're not alone, the people I've talked to who have made it that far tend to agree that new crab king is stupid hard. I actually did the fight with my sister and fiance last weekend and we had a lot of struggles with it as well. Using boats on console feels terrible. You can tell that not a single person on the klei team actually plays console. I wouldn't even believe they test things on console, period. If they disagreed with me I'd think they were lying, it's that bad. 

i was worried this would be the case. i havent fought crab king since last year and now i am low-key thinking i might not be fighting him any time soon. thanks for sharing your experience

[DegenerateFurry]

57 minutes ago, Vinja said:

Bigpost

I'm sorry to hear the fight sucks that much on console. I personally like how it is on PC, but it sounds like they really need to either tweak the fight for console versions specifically, fix console controls, or both. 

[Mike23Ua]

18 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

I'm sorry to hear the fight sucks that much on console. I personally like how it is on PC, but it sounds like they really need to either tweak the fight for console versions specifically, fix console controls, or both. 

Probably focus fixing controls more than anything… they need to hire people who ONLY use controllers, and have those people figure out ways to make what they want the game to do, feel good and natural to play using a console controller.

And when it comes particularly to the Nintendo Switch, Klei would be wise to actually take Advantage of the systems Touch-Screen functionality..

Being able to just “tap” a boat leak to repair it etc.

DST is NOT a game designed for controllers, despite the games label proudly reading as “Console Edition”

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Vinja said:

So because this is the internet most people here are just gonna mock you and laugh about how bad you are because they've all beaten crab king blindfolded no hit on day 3 no healing no science blah blah blah.

The thing you have to remember is this forum is the worst place to get a feeling of what the community thinks because the casual player doesn't visit this place. This place is for people with too much time on their hands, people who gauge your worth by how fast you've speedran all the bosses or which character you main. Some folks here might disagree and cry about that but they're wrong.

This is lethal levels of strawmanning should probably be illegal or something.

[DegenerateFurry]

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

This is lethal levels of strawmanning should probably be illegal or something.

 Have you seen any of grm9's or arubaro's posts? Vinja might as well be quoting them directly, I can't tell the difference. 

[arubaro]

24 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

 Have you seen any of grm9's or arubaro's posts? Vinja might as well be quoting them directly, I can't tell the difference. 

? I wont ever be mocking at someone legitimately having problems with a fight. I never forget i was new too

But i will go against post dramatizing, lying or basically complaining about needing to actually play the game. Post like this with stuff like "unfair fight", "atleast before i could use bees", "is impossible to know" and other non senses.

I will help people asking for advice, i wont help people who clearly don't want to improve, neither learn but basically cry so the game is tunned down to their bland, lack of will power and lazziness level

And i will repeat myself, this fight is the gatekeeping of a boss that triggers a world changing event that, supposedly, is going to be hard and aimed for experience players. People complaining ck, which is an easy boss, will only make that future rift content be developed in a even worst way (of possible considering how st*pid are BS, ink trio, BS staff and the bland new weather effects)

Ofc you will defend him acting like a white knight when you are the first one who insults and mocks because people dont want to nerf FW to appeal your casual and unskilled taste

[Dwight34]

2 hours ago, grm9 said:

you can still use bees and gun powder, you can even kill the boss through gun powder without starting the fight after inserting only pearl

I haven't seen a video of this so I still doubt it, but even if it's true, how is anyone supposed to ever figure that out through normal gameplay? Who would ever try to gunpowder a non-activated boss when they are invincible and untargetable to everything else and every other boss is too? Klei adding that in and not leaving a single clue about it in the game sounds more like a bug than anything else.

As for bees, no you really can't, or you need to get very lucky. Bees attack the claws, if the claws try to hit anything they'll destroy the bees since they do massive AoE damage, and random ocean mobs can very easily come in and ruin the fight for bees like a gnarwail did when I attempted.

8 minutes ago, arubaro said:

? I wont ever be mocking at someone legitimately having problems with a fight. I never forget i was new too

But i will go against post dramatizing, lying or basically complaining about needing to actually play the game. Post like this with stuff like "unfair fight", "atleast before i could use bees", "is impossible to know" and other non senses.

I will help people asking for advice, i wont help people who clearly don't want to improve, neither learn but basically cry so the game is tunned down to their bland, lack of will power and lazziness level

And i will repeat myself, this fight is the gatekeeping of a boss that triggers a world changing event that, supposedly, is going to be hard and aimed for experience players. People complaining ck, which is an easy boss, will only make that future rift content be developed in a even worst way (of possible considering how st*pid are BS, ink trio, BS staff and the bland new weather effects)

Ofc you will defend him acting like a white knight when you are the first one who insults and mocks because people dont want to nerf FW to appeal your casual and unskilled taste

You literally just call things nonsense when you don't like them and then pretend to not be condescending, that's pretty bold of you. The passive-aggressiveness of pretending the entire world should be Ned Flanders never complaining about anything and just keeping a fake smile on their face 24/7 is also laughably ridiculous.

CK Is supposed to be a midgame fight, a simple part of the questline, not OBJECTIVELY the harshest punishing boss in the entire game for mistakes, no other boss has literal fight-ending moves in half a second with insta-drowning, only AFW gets close to the level of micro-managament required in the fight, and CC is a much more relaxed fight than CK. Why should CK be objectively harder than CC and as much if not harder than AFW? It is a progression flaw, that's a fact, a mid-game boss gatekeeping a late-game boss shouldn't be harder than this late-game boss.

"Casual and unskilled taste" there it is. This is the reasoning that kills games, games need fresh players to remain correctly balanced, the biggest issue with balancing a game is that devs know the game too well and can't accurately gauge anymore how a new/normal player experiences the game. You've become one of those devs, not through your job, but through obsessing over the game and clinging to it by attaching your ego to your mastery of it and your gatekeeping of those hard-earned "accomplishments". Games NEED new players, they need people complaining, they need posts of players who got their asses kicked, the other alternative is that normal players simply give up and all you have left is a bunch of veterans complaining that the game isn't getting any new content when it has become a financial burden because no one is joining it anymore.

3 hours ago, gaymime said:

i was worried this would be the case. i havent fought crab king since last year and now i am low-key thinking i might not be fighting him any time soon. thanks for sharing your experience

He has only 12k health and he has become very interesting, but he requires perfect play otherwise you insta-drown, he requires managing many things at once and he self-heals so any mistake severely destroys your progression. He has all of the stress of AFW, but with the added stress than you can insta-drown at any moment. It's a boss-fight that requires perfection from start to finish otherwise you'll insta-fail, and no amount of grinding armor or health will change that.

[grm9]

53 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Vinja might as well be quoting them directly

(i never said any thing remotely similar in comparison to what they said people say)

11 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

As for bees, no you really can't

[Reiko24]

2 minutes ago, grm9 said:

(i never said any thing remotely similar in comparison to what they said people say)

 

they will not reply and act like you didn't send this

[Vinja]

28 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Ofc you will defend him acting like a white knight when you are the first one who insults and mocks because people dont want to nerf FW to appeal your casual and unskilled taste

I can smell you through the screen

[Reiko24]

3 hours ago, Vinja said:

You have to manage your boat, repair kits, new boats, boards to repair,  pan flute,  armor,  healing,  cannon towers,  crab arms,  all of these things at once which requires a decent amount of skill to get it all down.

new boats aren't needed

repair kits = boards to repair, so 1 less

pan flute isn't needed

armor autoequips itself, so i don't get what's the point here

cannon towers can be ignored, you don't need to destroy them, just repair the boat after you deal some damage to crab king

crab arms can be ignored even more than cannon towers, you can just forget they exist, even with green gems

 

so, what's left:

managing your boat (whatever that is, probably rowing)

boards to repair

healing

 

3 things.

[Dwight34]

10 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

they will not reply and act like you didn't send this

"No video with supported type format found" And I didn't say that it was absolutely impossible to use bees, the guy deliberately picked only part of my sentence to misrepresent it, I said it became way harder than before to use them, which is objectively true.

[Reiko24]

30 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

I haven't seen a video of this so I still doubt it, but even if it's true, how is anyone supposed to ever figure that out through normal gameplay? Who would ever try to gunpowder a non-activated boss when they are invincible and untargetable to everything else and every other boss is too? Klei adding that in and not leaving a single clue about it in the game sounds more like a bug than anything else.

As for bees, no you really can't, or you need to get very lucky. Bees attack the claws, if the claws try to hit anything they'll destroy the bees since they do massive AoE damage, and random ocean mobs can very easily come in and ruin the fight for bees like a gnarwail did when I attempted.

You literally just call things nonsense when you don't like them and then pretend to not be condescending, that's pretty bold of you. The passive-aggressiveness of pretending the entire world should be Ned Flanders never complaining about anything and just keeping a fake smile on their face 24/7 is also laughably ridiculous.

CK Is supposed to be a midgame fight, a simple part of the questline, not OBJECTIVELY the harshest punishing boss in the entire game for mistakes, no other boss has literal fight-ending moves in half a second with insta-drowning, only AFW gets close to the level of micro-managament required in the fight, and CC is a much more relaxed fight than CK. Why should CK be objectively harder than CC and as much if not harder than AFW? It is a progression flaw, that's a fact, a mid-game boss gatekeeping a late-game boss shouldn't be harder than this late-game boss.

"Casual and unskilled taste" there it is. This is the reasoning that kills games, games need fresh players to remain correctly balanced, the biggest issue with balancing a game is that devs know the game too well and can't accurately gauge anymore how a new/normal player experiences the game. You've become one of those devs, not through your job, but through obsessing over the game and clinging to it by attaching your ego to your mastery of it and your gatekeeping of those hard-earned "accomplishments". Games NEED new players, they need people complaining, they need posts of players who got their asses kicked, the other alternative is that normal players simply give up and all you have left is a bunch of veterans complaining that the game isn't getting any new content when it has become a financial burden because no one is joining it anymore.

He has only 12k health and he has become very interesting, but he requires perfect play otherwise you insta-drown, he requires managing many things at once and he self-heals so any mistake severely destroys your progression. He has all of the stress of AFW, but with the added stress than you can insta-drown at any moment. It's a boss-fight that requires perfection from start to finish otherwise you'll insta-fail, and no amount of grinding armor or health will change that.

All of the time you spent writing those posts, you could instead fight crab king, and actually learn how to fight him correctly instead of locking yourself to only one solution and one view. If you drown because of crab king, that is not a crab king issue. That is a you issue. It warns you like 5 seconds beforehand. Just stay on the same side as your boat and run when you hear cracking and see your character say something.

Really, most of my crab king fights go like this:

Ignore towers, ignore claws, hold f

row towards CK when he uses ice

attack CK, ignore minions

return to boat

repeat

 

so, ignoring 3 of his mechanics.

You are making it harder on yourself, not on purpose, by actually interacting with cannons/claws/minions. Minions actually I understand, because you can get stunlocked by them when you need the hits the most, but you shouldn't interact with cannons or claws. 

1 minute ago, Dwight34 said:

"No video with supported type format found" And I didn't say that it was absolutely impossible to use bees, the guy deliberately picked only part of my sentence to misrepresent it, I said it became way harder than before to use them, which is objectively true.

 

34 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

 

As for bees, no you really can't, or you need to get very lucky. Bees attack the claws, if the claws try to hit anything they'll destroy the bees since they do massive AoE damage,

"No you really can't, or you need to get very lucky" - suggests that something is borderline impossible, needing extreme luck to pull off, so basically impossible.

[Dwight34]

4 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

"No you really can't, or you need to get very lucky" - suggests that something is borderline impossible, needing extreme luck to pull off, so basically impossible.

Guess social skills aren't very developed amongst people who attach their entire egos to one video-game, who'd have thought.

[DegenerateFurry]

25 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

they will not reply and act like you didn't send this

I tend not to reply to certain people (such as grm9) because I have them as ignored users. I have them as ignored users because all I need to see is that they've posted to know what they're going to post, and also that I don't want to read it because it'll contain nothing of value and will basically amount to "git gud". 

That said, the fact that the bee method (which these same people would tell you is "cheese" and "not doing it properly", mind you) works doesn't mean console doesn't need improvements to its controls if they're really as bad as is being claimed. 

[Reiko24]

13 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

Guess social skills aren't very developed amongst people who attach their entire egos to one video-game, who'd have thought.

funny considering you are the one without social skills.

First you say something is impossible, then you try to gaslight me into thinking you said something else, when I showed you that you did in fact say it's literally impossible, you are now personally attacking me and playing the victim. Classic toxicity.

Not going to contribute anymore in this thread, because the only thing you want to do here is play the victim. I told you how to fight the crab king multiple times because I saw you waste your efforts because you are doing it wrong and genuinely wanted you to try it, but you ignore it every time, because it doesn't fuel your victim personality.

[grm9]

16 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

"No video with supported type format found"

it's literally mp4, how

either way just put 2 boats in a line near CK, put 10 bees per stack, drop them, use pan flute, activate CK fight, jump onto 2nd boat, start rowing away and afk for 3 mins

19 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

And I didn't say that it was absolutely impossible to use bees, the guy deliberately picked only part of my sentence to misrepresent it, I said it became way harder than before to use them, which is objectively true

you still simply drop bees and go away, it became easier if any thing since you can just go away and afk instead of needing to row away from geysers and avoid claws since CK'll freeze bees if there'll be no boats that're close enough for it to cast geysers

15 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

people who attach their entire egos to one video-game

(you literally don't know any one that you're talking to here)

[Reiko24]

3 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

I tend not to reply to certain people (such as grm9) because I have them as ignored users. I have them as ignored users because all I need to see is that they've posted to know what they're going to post, and also that I don't want to read it because it'll contain nothing of value and will basically amount to "git gud". 

That said, the fact that the bee method (which these same people would tell you is "cheese" and "not doing it properly", mind you) works doesn't mean console doesn't need improvements to its controls if they're really as bad as is being claimed. 

Didn't say console doesn't need improvements, it's horrendous.

[grm9]

4 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

it will basically amount to "git gud"

misinformation

55 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

CK Is supposed to be a midgame fight, a simple part of the questline, not OBJECTIVELY the harshest punishing boss in the entire game for mistakes

good thing that it'sn't since difficulty's subjective and most people think that it'sn't hard

[Reiko24]

This thread needs to get locked.

The person that made it already gave their opinion, received tips, and now it has been reduced to personal attacks from BOTH sides.

100% when it's Monday this will get locked, because you guys cannot just keep it civil, attacking people for no reason lol

4 minutes ago, grm9 said:

it's literally mp4, how

 

funny because I saw your video

it's probably just an another attempt at keeping the fire going. This video would discredit a part of them making them feel less of a victim and more in the wrong, so they choose to make it seem like they cannot see it, so they are a victim in other people's eyes.

[lowercase skye]

This thread is really, genuinely awful. I am a big fan of Crab King and I didn't get there by being some sort of sweaty elitist tryhard who thinks all new players are pure scum, or whatever is being implied here: I got there by fighting the boss repeatedly, not even in a test world, and feeling it out over and over until I eventually got to a point where I feel like I can do it consistently. I found a gem combination that worked for me (4 blues, 3 purples, an orange and a yellow personally) and just kept trying at it until I started to understand the fight.

I would not consider myself someone who "gauges your worth by how fast you've speedran all bosses": I hate Bee Queen, I turn on winter's feast so I don't have to fight her. I don't like the Fuelweaver: I use the cheesiest tactics I can to get him out of the way fast for the sole purpose of an umbralla and scythe and then never think about him again because, on that note, I don't really like the ruins! They're a slog to get through, and the rewards from clearing them out don't feel worth it when I could engage with the much more relaxing and "casual" ocean content to get gems and thulecite at a steadier rate. What I do consider myself, though, is a good sport: I tried these things out and gave them a fair shake, making sure I understood what their mechanics were rather than failing a few times and labeling them unfair or "objectively" harder than the content I liked, and I concluded that they weren't for me. Would I like these things to be changed in a way that makes them more subjectively fun for me? Sure, I've advocated for that before, but I didn't do it by slandering them and calling them objectively the hardest piece of x or y content in the game, because that's never going to be true.

I don't expect this thread to last much longer since it's turned into personal (and incredibly cruel) insults being exchanged back and forth, but I wanted to say my piece here. I love new Crab King, and I didn't get there by aggressively sweating over how much of an awesome gamer I am, nor did I get there by complaining that he was practically impossible while making as many justifications as to how I objectively would never be able to do it. I just played the game with a good attitude. That is what we should all be doing at the end of the day.

[Reiko24]

35 minutes ago, Dwight34 said:

"No video with supported type format found" And I didn't say that it was absolutely impossible to use bees, the guy deliberately picked only part of my sentence to misrepresent it, I said it became way harder than before to use them, which is objectively true.

You said it's "utter trash", and "you really can't" so? Why would something that is working and requires no input from you be utter trash?

[abrocator]

1 hour ago, arubaro said:

? I wont ever be mocking at someone legitimately having problems with a fight. I never forget i was new too

Ok let’s see.

1 hour ago, arubaro said:

But i will go against post dramatizing, lying or basically complaining about needing to actually play the game. Post like this with stuff like "unfair fight", "atleast before i could use bees", "is impossible to know" and other non senses.

Again you mock OP about not wanting to “actually play the game”.

1 hour ago, arubaro said:

I will help people asking for advice, i wont help people who clearly don't want to improve, neither learn but basically cry so the game is tunned down to their bland, lack of will power and lazziness level

Wow it got even worse.

[Reiko24]

9 minutes ago, finn from human said:

This thread is really, genuinely awful. I am a big fan of Crab King and I didn't get there by being some sort of sweaty elitist tryhard who thinks all new players are pure scum, or whatever is being implied here: I got there by fighting the boss repeatedly, not even in a test world, and feeling it out over and over until I eventually got to a point where I feel like I can do it consistently. I found a gem combination that worked for me (4 blues, 3 purples, an orange and a yellow personally) and just kept trying at it until I started to understand the fight.

I would not consider myself someone who "gauges your worth by how fast you've speedran all bosses": I hate Bee Queen, I turn on winter's feast so I don't have to fight her. I don't like the Fuelweaver: I use the cheesiest tactics I can to get him out of the way fast for the sole purpose of an umbralla and scythe and then never think about him again because, on that note, I don't really like the ruins! They're a slog to get through, and the rewards from clearing them out don't feel worth it when I could engage with the much more relaxing and "casual" ocean content to get gems and thulecite at a steadier rate. What I do consider myself, though, is a good sport: I tried these things out and gave them a fair shake, making sure I understood what their mechanics were rather than failing a few times and labeling them unfair or "objectively" harder than the content I liked, and I concluded that they weren't for me. Would I like these things to be changed in a way that makes them more subjectively fun for me? Sure, I've advocated for that before, but I didn't do it by slandering them and calling them objectively the hardest piece of x or y content in the game, because that's never going to be true.

I don't expect this thread to last much longer since it's turned into personal (and incredibly cruel) insults being exchanged back and forth, but I wanted to say my piece here. I love new Crab King, and I didn't get there by aggressively sweating over how much of an awesome gamer I am, nor did I get there by complaining that he was practically impossible while making as many justifications as to how I objectively would never be able to do it. I just played the game with a good attitude. That is what we should all be doing at the end of the day.

Absolutely true.

And if you didn't want to cheese crab king before, it was even harder than now.

I literally spent like 2 hours ONLY fighting crab king because I wanted to finally kill CC after 1000 hours of being afraid to do any meaningful bosses and didn't want to cheese. It was genuinely frustrating and awful. And after that did I consider myself a pro gamer or a giga chad? No.

Did I start attacking Dwight after they had problems with the boss because I want people to beat bosses and have fun? No, I told them what worked for me just to get ignored.

When I saw lies and misinfo and I pointed it out I got insulted lmao i don't know what forums are even about anymore

 

Edit: my 2 hours of trying to kill CK was with the old one, the wording can make some people think otherwise, sorry